Razor Metal Blue/Gold Auto Print Runs

[200lbhockeyplayer]

As I understand it, Metal wasn't serial numbered so that it wouldn't steal too much of Sig Series' thunder.

Surely someone has a punch-line to this comedy.

 

[masonphillip]

As I understand it, Metal wasn't serial numbered so that it wouldn't steal too much of Sig Series' thunder.

Oh my, it didn't steal its thunder, it stole everything, Sig Series was robbed blind by Metal.

 

[trevordchi]

After the 2004 Fleer Hot Prospects debacle I will NEVER trust a "stated" print run again. I might pick up a Lyles and Castro gold metal at some point, but not because of their "scarcity".

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

Contenders is and has always been a varied SP product. Sure, perhaps a small minority are lost due to quality, but the variance in the production numbers is established and expected for that product.

Razor Metal has also always been a varied SP product... :?

 

[kentuckyderby]

Serial #ing the metals would have helped

 

[Wes]

Anyone worried about serial numbering can send them into BGS where the print run will be put on the slab:

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Anyone worried about serial numbering can send them into BGS where the print run will be put on the slab:

Ah, that solves everything. Because BGS NEVER makes mistakes.



If the information that BGS relies upon is faulty, the slab stating the print run is /30 is worthless.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

Ah, that solves everything. Because BGS NEVER makes mistakes.



If the information that BGS relies upon is faulty, the slab stating the print run is /30 is worthless.

Basically this a no win situation for you. You don't trust Razor, you don't trust BGS, and even serial numbering isn't 100% (see fleer bankruptcy sale items and topps moments and milestones).

 

[NECpilgrims8]

Ah, that solves everything. Because BGS NEVER makes mistakes.



If the information that BGS relies upon is faulty, the slab stating the print run is /30 is worthless.

Basically this a no win situation for you. You don't trust Razor, you don't trust BGS, and even serial numbering isn't 100% (see fleer bankruptcy sale items and topps moments and milestones).

No need to feed the Razor trolls/haters. He lives for these threads and to respond to comments.

Let him have his pessimistic pity party all by himself. One of these days, the cyanide laced kool-aid will actually do it's job.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Ah, that solves everything. Because BGS NEVER makes mistakes.



If the information that BGS relies upon is faulty, the slab stating the print run is /30 is worthless.

Basically this a no win situation for you. You don't trust Razor, you don't trust BGS, and even serial numbering isn't 100% (see fleer bankruptcy sale items and topps moments and milestones).

It has nothing to do with trusting BGS. The fact is, BGS is relying upon information from Razor, which is where the problem may lie.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Ah, that solves everything. Because BGS NEVER makes mistakes.



If the information that BGS relies upon is faulty, the slab stating the print run is /30 is worthless.

Basically this a no win situation for you. You don't trust Razor, you don't trust BGS, and even serial numbering isn't 100% (see fleer bankruptcy sale items and topps moments and milestones).

No need to feed the Razor trolls/haters. He lives for these threads and to respond to comments.

Let him have his pessimistic pity party all by himself. One of these days, the cyanide laced kool-aid will actually do it's job.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Ah, you're nothing if not predicable, Adam. Unfortunately, your metaphor is a little incorrect. It's those who blindly follow without thinking for themselves that are considered to be "drinking the kool-aid", but a valiant effort nonetheless.

 

[NECpilgrims8]

[quote="Jeff N.":34vri4ng]Ah, that solves everything. Because BGS NEVER makes mistakes.



If the information that BGS relies upon is faulty, the slab stating the print run is /30 is worthless.

Basically this a no win situation for you. You don't trust Razor, you don't trust BGS, and even serial numbering isn't 100% (see fleer bankruptcy sale items and topps moments and milestones).

No need to feed the Razor trolls/haters. He lives for these threads and to respond to comments.

Let him have his pessimistic pity party all by himself. One of these days, the cyanide laced kool-aid will actually do it's job.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Ah, you're nothing if not predicable, Adam. Unfortunately, your metaphor is a little incorrect. It's those who blindly follow without thinking for themselves that are considered to be "drinking the kool-aid", but a valiant effort nonetheless.[/quote:34vri4ng]

Sorry Jeff. I forgot you drink this....

 

[Bob Loblaw]

[quote="Jeff N.":1q9fhd17]Ah, that solves everything. Because BGS NEVER makes mistakes.



If the information that BGS relies upon is faulty, the slab stating the print run is /30 is worthless.

Basically this a no win situation for you. You don't trust Razor, you don't trust BGS, and even serial numbering isn't 100% (see fleer bankruptcy sale items and topps moments and milestones).

No need to feed the Razor trolls/haters. He lives for these threads and to respond to comments.

Let him have his pessimistic pity party all by himself. One of these days, the cyanide laced kool-aid will actually do it's job.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Ah, you're nothing if not predicable, Adam. Unfortunately, your metaphor is a little incorrect. It's those who blindly follow without thinking for themselves that are considered to be "drinking the kool-aid", but a valiant effort nonetheless.

Sorry Jeff. I forgot you drink this....

[/quote:1q9fhd17]

Riiiiiiiiiight.

Gosh, one of the largest and most respected card manufacturers, Fleer, in 2004, lied to the public about the perceived scarcity of their unnumbered die cut Hot Prospect cards. Fleer was owned by a 2 person partnership until their liquidation in 2005. No board of directors like Donruss did or like Topps/UD. No accountability.

Razor, to the best of our knowledge is either 1) individually owned 100% by Brian Gray, with no accountability to anyone else, or 2) owned/partially owned by UD. Assuming #1 is correct, as the PTB wish you to believe here, there is as much chance of Razor fudging the numbers as there was Fleer fudging the production #s back in 2004. In 2004, we didn't think such a thing could happen and we took the Hot Prospect production figures as gospel... until someone showed up with a greater # than printed.

I hope that doesn't happen here.

 

[NECpilgrims8]

[quote="Jeff N.":y2orydbr]

[quote="Jeff N.":y2orydbr]Ah, that solves everything. Because BGS NEVER makes mistakes.



If the information that BGS relies upon is faulty, the slab stating the print run is /30 is worthless.

Basically this a no win situation for you. You don't trust Razor, you don't trust BGS, and even serial numbering isn't 100% (see fleer bankruptcy sale items and topps moments and milestones).

No need to feed the Razor trolls/haters. He lives for these threads and to respond to comments.

Let him have his pessimistic pity party all by himself. One of these days, the cyanide laced kool-aid will actually do it's job.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Ah, you're nothing if not predicable, Adam. Unfortunately, your metaphor is a little incorrect. It's those who blindly follow without thinking for themselves that are considered to be "drinking the kool-aid", but a valiant effort nonetheless.

Sorry Jeff. I forgot you drink this....

[/quote:y2orydbr]

Riiiiiiiiiight.

Gosh, one of the largest and most respected card manufacturers, Fleer, in 2004, lied to the public about the perceived scarcity of their unnumbered die cut Hot Prospect cards. Fleer was owned by a 2 person partnership until their liquidation in 2005. No board of directors like Donruss did or like Topps/UD. No accountability.

Razor, to the best of our knowledge is either 1) individually owned 100% by Brian Gray, with no accountability to anyone else, or 2) owned/partially owned by UD. Assuming #1 is correct, as the PTB wish you to believe here, there is as much chance of Razor fudging the numbers as there was Fleer fudging the production #s back in 2004. In 2004, we didn't think such a thing could happen and we took the Hot Prospect production figures as gospel... until someone showed up with a greater # than printed.

I hope that doesn't happen here.[/quote:y2orydbr]

Upper Deck has also been guilty of this.
Topps has also been guilty of this.

Not sure why you are so hung up on this. Must be a slow say at the office?

 

[Bob Loblaw]

[quote="Jeff N.":es5wwlz3]

[quote="Jeff N.":es5wwlz3]Ah, that solves everything. Because BGS NEVER makes mistakes.



If the information that BGS relies upon is faulty, the slab stating the print run is /30 is worthless.

Basically this a no win situation for you. You don't trust Razor, you don't trust BGS, and even serial numbering isn't 100% (see fleer bankruptcy sale items and topps moments and milestones).

No need to feed the Razor trolls/haters. He lives for these threads and to respond to comments.

Let him have his pessimistic pity party all by himself. One of these days, the cyanide laced kool-aid will actually do it's job.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Ah, you're nothing if not predicable, Adam. Unfortunately, your metaphor is a little incorrect. It's those who blindly follow without thinking for themselves that are considered to be "drinking the kool-aid", but a valiant effort nonetheless.

Sorry Jeff. I forgot you drink this....

Riiiiiiiiiight.

Gosh, one of the largest and most respected card manufacturers, Fleer, in 2004, lied to the public about the perceived scarcity of their unnumbered die cut Hot Prospect cards. Fleer was owned by a 2 person partnership until their liquidation in 2005. No board of directors like Donruss did or like Topps/UD. No accountability.

Razor, to the best of our knowledge is either 1) individually owned 100% by Brian Gray, with no accountability to anyone else, or 2) owned/partially owned by UD. Assuming #1 is correct, as the PTB wish you to believe here, there is as much chance of Razor fudging the numbers as there was Fleer fudging the production #s back in 2004. In 2004, we didn't think such a thing could happen and we took the Hot Prospect production figures as gospel... until someone showed up with a greater # than printed.

I hope that doesn't happen here.[/quote:es5wwlz3]

Upper Deck has also been guilty of this.
Topps has also been guilty of this.

Not sure why you are so hung up on this. Must be a slow say at the office?[/quote:es5wwlz3]


Topps did it. And they paid for it. And no one trusts non-serialized inserts with a limited press run because of it.

That's my only point. If Topps came out with gold refractors allegedly limited to 50, with no serial numbering, I wouldn't believe it. Just as I don't believe Razor's.

 

[Wes]

Anyone worried about serial numbering can send them into BGS where the print run will be put on the slab:

Ah, that solves everything. Because BGS NEVER makes mistakes.



If the information that BGS relies upon is faulty, the slab stating the print run is /30 is worthless.

It may be worthless to you - but a BGS slab stating a print run is going to be good enough for 99% of buyers out there.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Anyone worried about serial numbering can send them into BGS where the print run will be put on the slab:

Ah, that solves everything. Because BGS NEVER makes mistakes.



If the information that BGS relies upon is faulty, the slab stating the print run is /30 is worthless.

It may be worthless to you - but a BGS slab stating a print run is going to be good enough for 99% of buyers out there.

I think you underestimate the general public.

 

[Bruin7]

Everyone in the 1st page of the post was talking about quality control but people are forgetting that Razor (although the "smallest" of the Big 3.5) has the best customer service out of all of them. They reply to emails quickly Brian makes sure Angela sends out replacement cards ASAP. I can say this because they've taken care of me numerous times successfully. I think 2nd place would be Panini/Donruss as their new personal account system is very quick and they did come through with the Wilmer Flores autos before anyone else.

Allen

 

[sheetskout]

[quote="rookies_plus":1wnmepmd]This may seem like a stupid question but....Any ideas why they were not consistant?

I was told they had to throw away some of the cards that were damaged.

Just screams 2nd rate.[/quote:1wnmepmd]


Um. no. Just screams quality control.

 

[AKA Coastal]

This happens to people that trust card companies.