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In addition to baseball, I also play and collect Magic The Gathering cards (and post hot list suggestions, to the chagrin and illness of some). That hobby has some good things that sportscards don't, and one of those is the importance of trading. Anywhere 2 MTGers meet, trade talk is inevitable. People are always trying to build or refine a deck, or obtain a particular holy grail card, or simply gain value for future trades or ebay flipping. With about 12,000 cards printed, many in esoteric, rare editions, the hobby has less variety than sportscards but it does thrive globally and in a medium of exchange sportscards have all but abandoned, the cards themselves.

Some years ago, there was an apocryphal story of a guy who traded his way from the contents of a single pack of Fallen Empires (8 cards from a much-maligned, underpowered set from 1994) to a complete set of Legends (a 300-card set from the same timeframe with many popular, expensive, and overpowered cards). To put it in baseball terms, he traded his way from the 1899 Cleveland Spiders to, if not the 1927 Yankees, at least the 1931 A's.

Then a few years ago, there was a film about a guy who traded his way from a single paperclip to a house. Trading became a thing to do.

Meanwhile, in Magic land, someone started a blog a couple years ago called "Pack to Power." His goal was to take a single pack, open it, and start trading up to a piece of Power. Power in this case refers to the Power 9, which are nine cards from the original Magic "Alpha" set that are so powerful they are banned from play except in "Vintage" tournaments, where almost anything goes. Very rare, heinously expensive (for Magic), and coveted above pretty much all else in the hobby. Obtaining one's first piece of Power is a significant step in a Magic player's career. It's akin to buying the first Ruth in building the 1933 Goudey set.

For perspective, the cheapest Power card, Timetwister, can be obtained for about $150-200, depending on the edition and condition. The most expensive, Black Lotus, is $500 at a bare minimum for a beat-up Unlimited edition, up to several thousand for a mint Alpha. While this board discusses triple-digit dollar figures pretty casually, in the realm of teenage to mid-20s Magic nerds, these numbers are still pretty stiff.

Anyways, by this time many people have accepted the Pack to Power (P2P) challenge. A guy who writes a column on trading and speculation on one of the major MTG sites recently completed his P2P quest. It's particularly instructive to read the comments. Half of them are congratulatory, half are viciously insulting comparing him to a thief, a terrorist, and a ****** for some of the deals he allegedly pulled off (some of the trades he describes are simply incredible, I wouldn't have the balls to ask for some of the things he got, or maybe even accept them if offered).

And this got me thinking. I have all the Power cards already, though there are other expensive cards I'd like to get, and they aren't all Magic. One of the cards I would most like to own in the world is a 1954 Johnston Cookies Hank Aaron. A fairly rare regional food issue from Aaron's rookie year, I remember reading about it in an article in a magazine when I was a kid. I was always struck by the simple design, odd shape, great tinted photo, and the simple, cool "otherness" of it as an alternative to the Topps RC. A nice-looking PSA 6 has been on ebay for a long time with a $699 BIN/BO. That's the kind of card I'd want if I could bring myself to hit the button. So I'm wondering if it'd be possible to trade my way into one. Specifically, start with a particular pack and trade my way up.

This is going to be difficult. While ebay and the internet has made obtaining almost any card easy, it's also made trading hard. There are almost no shows around here (the first local one in over a year a couple weeks ago was a lackluster affair), and I personally know no collectors in Austin any longer. Even if I did, it'd take a lot of networking across the country, and certainly nearly all trades would have to be conducted by mail, which leads to its own problems.

Hmmm...maybe a box would be a better starting point. Obviously it would be, but a single pack of baseball is so often a complete whiff as far as real value. Finding someone who would want to trade for that base Cole Hamels or Martin Prado card or whatever is likely impossible. And trading such a thing by mail? Forget it. Even trading the whole pack for a single somewhat desirable card is an uncertain event. The sheer variety of cards available somewhat dilutes demand for any particular card. At least in a Magic pack, there is nearly always a card or three that could be flipped into something else. Or maybe the junk box of things to list on ebay would be better. I could start a new Photobucket with just the stuff for trade and go from there. Yeah, that sounds like I'd at least have a fighting chance. Take, say, 15 cards as the seed "pack" from which a Johnston Cookie will grow.

What do you think? Anyone with me?
 

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Sure, why not?

great read. as a MTG player from 1993 to 1995, i totally remember all those cards. Mox's were expensive back then, forget about the Black Lotus lol i wish i would have held on to my cards, but when i lost interest in playing, the cash sounded better then the cards. Plus,. i was one of the raw players, kind of ironic that when it comes to sports cards, i dont care for raw lol
 

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Used to play Magic religiously. Countless road trips for tournaments! It was amazing some of the trades I saw take place. The playability of the cards definitely lent itself to some insanely lopsided trades. It was possible to pick up some of the more expensive cards from people on the cheap, just because they might need a card you had for their deck.
 

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If i was going to attempt this I would start with a fairly expensive pack just to get it going faster. I know people like to see you start with a cheap pack like 86 topps but I feel thats been done to death already.

Start with a good couple of cards and make it happen.

I played religiously in college and for old timers I played against most of the team Deadguy players as most were from Cornell (Chris Picula, David Price, Tony Tsai, Jon Finkel (not Cornellian as I recall)) as they got ready for the pro tour 1.

I never beat Chris in a tournament and never lost to David.
 

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Thinking along those lines, I'm inclined to think a mid-level pack with more cards that would be something close to face value is better start than a high-end pack with few cards. I bought a pack of Marquee this year, and got 5 cards for my $50 (I never buy packs that are more than $1/card. It felt heavy, and I had Museum mania). While one of those was a Steve Garvey jersey auto, and another a Tim Lincecum blue foil parallel, I certainly didn't get $50 worth of cards and having only 5 cards from which to start trading is a tougher spot than a pack of, I don't know, what's a $10 pack? Is there one that's a decent buy? Silly question, I know.
 

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smapdi said:
... With about 12,000 cards printed, many in esoteric, rare editions, the hobby has less variety than sportscards but it does thrive globally and in a medium of exchange sportscards have all but abandoned, the cards themselves...

I enjoyed your post. I think you hit on the most important part right here, IMO fewer cards is indeed better, it helps build a *community* where everyone appreciates and knows all about all available cards; there aren't specialty niches to be aware of.

How long did it take for Topps to produce 12,000 different cards? Looking at Beckett, it wasn't until 1974 or 1975 roughly speaking. But Beckett says Topps released about 80,000 different cards just last year - and that's just Topps!

People naturally get disconnected and lost when there are too many choices - simple trading between just two people incurs a greater likelihood of getting a bad deal from not knowing the value of what you have. This is in opposition to selling on an open "market" like ebay which reaches everyone and can give you a more accurate value.
 

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Someone else started something like this a week ago and I sold them some cards for one dollar. I tried doing something like this a few years ago, I've always wanted a Lou Gehrig Autograph, so I started with a $50 card I think it was an Eli Manning rookie autograph. i got up to around $750 worth of trading and I just kind of stalled, most likely from a lack of interest and the fact that I was doing stuff in high school. The biggest suggestion I have if you're going to do something like this is to start with a high-value card, something along the lines of $50 should be a great start.
 

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cgilmo said:
The FCB LCS has at least 3 booster drafts a week.

But then agian, we also carry a full supply of board games. Settlers of Catan anyone?

Hey don't knock Catan, its a fun game!

Booster drafts and sealed deck makes Magic a game that everyone can enjoy due to the non deck building elements. The problem with most tournaments non sealed deck or draft is everyone plays the same decks or minor variations of each and thus the games are won on mania screws or lucky draws instead of skill.
 

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morgoth said:
cgilmo said:
The FCB LCS has at least 3 booster drafts a week.

But then agian, we also carry a full supply of board games. Settlers of Catan anyone?

Hey don't knock Catan, its a fun game!

Booster drafts and sealed deck makes Magic a game that everyone can enjoy due to the non deck building elements. The problem with most tournaments non sealed deck or draft is everyone plays the same decks or minor variations of each and thus the games are won on mania screws or lucky draws instead of skill.


I wasn't knocking Catan

I dominate on it regularly.
 

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