Roy Oswalt Vs. Alex Rodriguez/PED users

[Therion]

It is a good thing Oswalt is speaking his mind...and a good thing he didn't play with a pair of suspected or self-admitted PED users who helped his Astros get to the World Series in 2005.

You are 100% correct. Oswalt is a hypocrite for taking the field with two guys that were known to be juicers in 2005.

Oh wait...they weren't outed until several years later were they? Huh.

A lot of you are taking this way too seriously. I have been known to say that I wish parents would hit their kids more so they'd stop screaming in the grocery store but I don't expect them to grab a mop and actually beat their children with the wooden handle.

 

[Weatherwarrior]

How many hr's does Arod have off clemens? I mean seriously we don't know how many pitchers were users other than Clemens and Grimes So when he wasn't using and hit a hr off a pitcher that was how do you deal with those, Count them as two?

 

[Pete14Rose]

It is a good thing Oswalt is speaking his mind...and a good thing he didn't play with a pair of suspected or self-admitted PED users who helped his Astros get to the World Series in 2005.

LOL This is true.

 

[fengzhang]

It is a good thing Oswalt is speaking his mind...and a good thing he didn't play with a pair of suspected or self-admitted PED users who helped his Astros get to the World Series in 2005.

What does that have to do with Oswalt? Do the player's get to pick thier teammates? (So what was your point?) :?

He too benefited from steroid use but he's too blind to see that. He wants to rewrite history? How about taking away wins that he got from run support fueled by steroid-enhanced players. I don't expect athletes to be geniuses but they should have some common sense.

 

[Pete14Rose]

It is a good thing Oswalt is speaking his mind...and a good thing he didn't play with a pair of suspected or self-admitted PED users who helped his Astros get to the World Series in 2005.

You are 100% correct. Oswalt is a hypocrite for taking the field with two guys that were known to be juicers in 2005.

Oh wait...they weren't outed until several years later were they? Huh.

A lot of you are taking this way too seriously. I have been known to say that I wish parents would hit their kids more so they'd stop screaming in the grocery store but I don't expect them to grab a mop and actually beat their children with the wooden handle.

That happens when their lives revolve around a keyboard and monitor.

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

Oswalt just joined Schilling in the tool shed.

Did you open the door for him when he knocked(?)..or just yelled: "Come in"??? :lol:

Both Schilling and Oswalt are dolts. Their remarks are ridiculous.

Oswalt made one "far-fetched" remark because he is fed up & is showing the public so. I would much rather defend someone whose remark's are ridiculous than someone who's action's are (& I'd classify steroid use/cheating as pretty ridiculous)!!! That's just me though, so I have no problem with Oswalt "saying" what he did (it didn't hurt my feeling's & wasn't directed towards anyone whom was doing what they were supposed to & playing by the rules....but judging by your username you may see it a bit differently)...

Here we go with the Pete Rose "thing" again. Seriously, grow up...it's getting really old, really fast. I like Rose...whoopie! Let me say this for the last time so that all of you who are reading impaired will understand... I like Rose the player....I despise Rose the man. Sorry if I may be one of a few fans who can separate the two.


Who really cares about steroids in baseball anymore? I want them gone as much as the next guy...but what's done is done. You all sit around like you're amazed someone is guilty. Pah-lease. Most players are guilty.....I wouldn't doubt the beloved Ripken used. Nobody is beyond reproach at this point.

MLB NEEDS a new commisioner and a stronger testing policy with severe penalties for those that test positive. Do yourself a favor and pull up my pasts posts on the subject and see how many times I've said that....more than once....more than twice. Read my stance on the matter instead of being a lookie-loo with nothing but remarks about the player I like.

I've never questioned your stance on steroid's (just like you do not know how I feel on the subject). I only became interested in this thread because I see individual's calling out a player who has done what they're supposed to do (work hard, play hard, & kept thier nose clean) since they made the big's...He make one statement about the player's that who have brought about all the shat (& instead of taking his remark for what it was, member's here want to throw shat at Oswalt?)...You don't see what's wrong with that picture?

 

[Lars]

The point is who is Roy Oswalt to point fingers when he might have played with a couple of guys who did help him benefit, whether as an individual player or as part of a team?

He is biased in saying, throw A-Rod's stats out, but he is going to reserve judgement of Clemens. What does he think of Andy Pettitte?

Do we expunge Clemens' and Pettitte's numbers? Pettitte's already admitted it. What about Clemens?

It is a joke when people get all riled up about this stuff or when a player they like says something like this. It is all BS.

Last time I checked, no one has cheated Oswalt out of a nice, long term contract - one that none of us will have in this life.

It is a good thing Oswalt is speaking his mind...and a good thing he didn't play with a pair of suspected or self-admitted PED users who helped his Astros get to the World Series in 2005.

What does that have to do with Oswalt? Do the player's get to pick thier teammates? (So what was your point?) :?

 

[studioclint]

I think they should have their awards taken away and given to the second place vote getter. They cheated.

 

[studioclint]

DP

 

[Pete14Rose]

[quote="Pete14Rose":336yl993]Oswalt just joined Schilling in the tool shed.

Did you open the door for him when he knocked(?)..or just yelled: "Come in"??? :lol:

Both Schilling and Oswalt are dolts. Their remarks are ridiculous.

Oswalt made one "far-fetched" remark because he is fed up & is showing the public so. I would much rather defend someone whose remark's are ridiculous than someone who's action's are (& I'd classify steroid use/cheating as pretty ridiculous)!!! That's just me though, so I have no problem with Oswalt "saying" what he did (it didn't hurt my feeling's & wasn't directed towards anyone whom was doing what they were supposed to & playing by the rules....but judging by your username you may see it a bit differently)...

Here we go with the Pete Rose "thing" again. Seriously, grow up...it's getting really old, really fast. I like Rose...whoopie! Let me say this for the last time so that all of you who are reading impaired will understand... I like Rose the player....I despise Rose the man. Sorry if I may be one of a few fans who can separate the two.


Who really cares about steroids in baseball anymore? I want them gone as much as the next guy...but what's done is done. You all sit around like you're amazed someone is guilty. Pah-lease. Most players are guilty.....I wouldn't doubt the beloved Ripken used. Nobody is beyond reproach at this point.

MLB NEEDS a new commisioner and a stronger testing policy with severe penalties for those that test positive. Do yourself a favor and pull up my pasts posts on the subject and see how many times I've said that....more than once....more than twice. Read my stance on the matter instead of being a lookie-loo with nothing but remarks about the player I like.

I've never questioned your stance on steroid's (just like you do not know how I feel on the subject). I only become interested in this thread because I see individual's calling out a player who has done what they're supposed to do (work hard, play hard, & kept thier nose clean) since they made the big's...He make one statement about the player's that who have brought about all the shat (& instead of taking his remark for what it was, member's here want to throw shat at Oswalt?)...You don't see what's wrong with that picture?[/quote:336yl993]


Ok, let him offer to remove his stats as well. He gained from steroid using teammates that helped him to a WS. You apparently don't want to see that.

He's a hypocrite.

 

[Therion]

Just out of curiosity, how do other pitchers help Oswalts stats? You could make an argument that Tejada makes him a hypocrite but Clemens and Pettitte did nothing to improve Oswalt's stats.

 

[fengzhang]

Just out of curiosity, how do other pitchers help Oswalts stats? You could make an argument that Tejada makes him a hypocrite but Clemens and Pettitte did nothing to improve Oswalt's stats.

Oh, I didn't realize the point of playing baseball was for the stats. I always thought it was to win games. 2/5's of the Astro's rotation (maybe more) was on steroids. They cheated some other team out of a playoff appearance and more teams out of a World Series appearance. How does Oswalt feel about that?

 

[Therion]

Just out of curiosity, how do other pitchers help Oswalts stats? You could make an argument that Tejada makes him a hypocrite but Clemens and Pettitte did nothing to improve Oswalt's stats.

Oh, I didn't realize the point of playing baseball was for the stats. I always thought it was to win games. 2/5's of the Astro's rotation (maybe more) was on steroids. They cheated some other team out of a playoff appearance and more teams out of a World Series appearance. How does Oswalt feel about that?

They are saying that Oswalt is a hypocrite for saying that PED users affected his stats and cost him money when he played with Clemens and Oswalt. I'm shocked that you wouldn't get my point. You're usually pretty swift on the uptake.

 

[Pete14Rose]

Just out of curiosity, how do other pitchers help Oswalts stats? You could make an argument that Tejada makes him a hypocrite but Clemens and Pettitte did nothing to improve Oswalt's stats.

Oh, I didn't realize the point of playing baseball was for the stats. I always thought it was to win games. 2/5's of the Astro's rotation (maybe more) was on steroids. They cheated some other team out of a playoff appearance and more teams out of a World Series appearance. How does Oswalt feel about that?

What? That's not what I was talking about. I just meant A-Rod, nobody else.

Signed,
R. Oswalt

 

[Pete14Rose]

Just out of curiosity, how do other pitchers help Oswalts stats? You could make an argument that Tejada makes him a hypocrite but Clemens and Pettitte did nothing to improve Oswalt's stats.

Oh, I didn't realize the point of playing baseball was for the stats. I always thought it was to win games. 2/5's of the Astro's rotation (maybe more) was on steroids. They cheated some other team out of a playoff appearance and more teams out of a World Series appearance. How does Oswalt feel about that?

They are saying that Oswalt is a hypocrite for saying that PED users affected his stats and cost him money when he played with Clemens and Oswalt. I'm shocked that you wouldn't get my point. You're usually pretty swift on the uptake.

I never said any players specifically or alluded to Clemens or Pettite. I said "teammates".

 

[fengzhang]

Just out of curiosity, how do other pitchers help Oswalts stats? You could make an argument that Tejada makes him a hypocrite but Clemens and Pettitte did nothing to improve Oswalt's stats.

Oh, I didn't realize the point of playing baseball was for the stats. I always thought it was to win games. 2/5's of the Astro's rotation (maybe more) was on steroids. They cheated some other team out of a playoff appearance and more teams out of a World Series appearance. How does Oswalt feel about that?

They are saying that Oswalt is a hypocrite for saying that PED users affected his stats and cost him money when he played with Clemens and Oswalt. I'm shocked that you wouldn't get my point. You're usually pretty swift on the uptake.

I understood your point. But, you even said Tejada helped Oswalt. 104 players split 30 ways equals 3 per team. So, Oswalt likely faced a couple of steroid-taking players in each lineup. We know Oswalt had at least the help of one enhanced player in his own lineup (Tejada) and there were possibly more since the other 103 names haven't been revealed.

Now, I hope you got my point from my last post: Oswalt's an idiot.

 

[Therion]

Just out of curiosity, how do other pitchers help Oswalts stats? You could make an argument that Tejada makes him a hypocrite but Clemens and Pettitte did nothing to improve Oswalt's stats.

Oh, I didn't realize the point of playing baseball was for the stats. I always thought it was to win games. 2/5's of the Astro's rotation (maybe more) was on steroids. They cheated some other team out of a playoff appearance and more teams out of a World Series appearance. How does Oswalt feel about that?

They are saying that Oswalt is a hypocrite for saying that PED users affected his stats and cost him money when he played with Clemens and Oswalt. I'm shocked that you wouldn't get my point. You're usually pretty swift on the uptake.

I understood your point. But, you even said Tejada helped Oswalt. 104 players split 30 ways equals 3 per team. So, Oswalt likely faced a couple of steroid-taking players in each lineup. We know Oswalt had at least the help of one enhanced player in his own lineup (Tejada) and there were possibly more since the other 103 names haven't been revealed.

Now, I hope you got my point from my last post: Oswalt's an idiot.

Again, we all say idiotic things that we don't really mean. I do not expect parents to pour bleach down their children's throats just because they are screaming in the grocery store. I seriously doubt Oswalt truly expects baseball to take any action against PED users. The reaction to this is amazing. Rodriguez gets less blasted for cheating than Oswalt does for saying he is ashamed of cheaters. It is just weird.

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

[quote="HoustonTeams4Me":2aaikuya][quote="Pete14Rose":2aaikuya]Oswalt just joined Schilling in the tool shed.

Did you open the door for him when he knocked(?)..or just yelled: "Come in"??? :lol:

Both Schilling and Oswalt are dolts. Their remarks are ridiculous.

Oswalt made one "far-fetched" remark because he is fed up & is showing the public so. I would much rather defend someone whose remark's are ridiculous than someone who's action's are (& I'd classify steroid use/cheating as pretty ridiculous)!!! That's just me though, so I have no problem with Oswalt "saying" what he did (it didn't hurt my feeling's & wasn't directed towards anyone whom was doing what they were supposed to & playing by the rules....but judging by your username you may see it a bit differently)...

Here we go with the Pete Rose "thing" again. Seriously, grow up...it's getting really old, really fast. I like Rose...whoopie! Let me say this for the last time so that all of you who are reading impaired will understand... I like Rose the player....I despise Rose the man. Sorry if I may be one of a few fans who can separate the two.


Who really cares about steroids in baseball anymore? I want them gone as much as the next guy...but what's done is done. You all sit around like you're amazed someone is guilty. Pah-lease. Most players are guilty.....I wouldn't doubt the beloved Ripken used. Nobody is beyond reproach at this point.

MLB NEEDS a new commisioner and a stronger testing policy with severe penalties for those that test positive. Do yourself a favor and pull up my pasts posts on the subject and see how many times I've said that....more than once....more than twice. Read my stance on the matter instead of being a lookie-loo with nothing but remarks about the player I like.

I've never questioned your stance on steroid's (just like you do not know how I feel on the subject). I only become interested in this thread because I see individual's calling out a player who has done what they're supposed to do (work hard, play hard, & kept thier nose clean) since they made the big's...He make one statement about the player's that who have brought about all the shat (& instead of taking his remark for what it was, member's here want to throw shat at Oswalt?)...You don't see what's wrong with that picture?[/quote:2aaikuya]


Ok, let him offer to remove his stats as well. He gained from steroid using teammates that helped him to a WS. You apparently don't want to see that.

He's a hypocrite.[/quote:2aaikuya]

If you seriously think this & have rationalized this within yourself that "he is a hypocrite" from the statement/scenario you have written above then :lol: ...There's really not much I can offer in way of an explanation (as you are going too deep into speculation & have veered away from hard facts...if you want to speculate whether Oswalt would or wouldn't be willing to give up those stats gained from the aid of his "steroid using" teammates, my opinion is that he'd drop them in a heartbeat as long as the statistic's from those who cheated were wiped clean away)- But that's just speculation.

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

Just out of curiosity, how do other pitchers help Oswalts stats? You could make an argument that Tejada makes him a hypocrite but Clemens and Pettitte did nothing to improve Oswalt's stats.

Oh, I didn't realize the point of playing baseball was for the stats. I always thought it was to win games. 2/5's of the Astro's rotation (maybe more) was on steroids. They cheated some other team out of a playoff appearance and more teams out of a World Series appearance. How does Oswalt feel about that?

They are saying that Oswalt is a hypocrite for saying that PED users affected his stats and cost him money when he played with Clemens and Oswalt. I'm shocked that you wouldn't get my point. You're usually pretty swift on the uptake.

I understood your point. But, you even said Tejada helped Oswalt. 104 players split 30 ways equals 3 per team. So, Oswalt likely faced a couple of steroid-taking players in each lineup. We know Oswalt had at least the help of one enhanced player in his own lineup (Tejada) and there were possibly more since the other 103 names haven't been revealed.

Now, I hope you got my point from my last post: Oswalt's an idiot.

Again, we all say idiotic things that we don't really mean. I do not expect parents to pour bleach down their children's throats just because they are screaming in the grocery store. I seriously doubt Oswalt truly expects baseball to take any action against PED users. The reaction to this is amazing. Rodriguez gets less blasted for cheating than Oswalt does for saying he is ashamed of cheaters. It is just weird.

No kidding...Oswalt says one "far-fetched" comment while voicing his disgust for the "Cheater's" in the game of baseball, and all of a sudden all of the steroid loyalist's are bashing him for it....It really makes you wonder (and I'm curious to know if these individual's think that since Oswalt said it, it will be done? Because that is how they're going about it)... :lol:

 

[card-treasury]

Can't abolish stats when there are countless guys out there that juiced who are not named in the Mitchell Report. It's like saying a thief not caught deserves his freedom. I wrote an article about steroids in sports once that was submitted by somebody else to someone at ESPN named (can't remember first name) Scarbrough.

Jeff N may have read it, since he was on my site back in the day.

Steroids are everywhere.

I know you all don't want to believe it, but that doesn't change the truth.