Roy Oswalt Vs. Alex Rodriguez/PED users

[matfanofold]

If you think it's fair to take away an Olympic Medal b/c the winner was proven to be a PED user, why not apply the same logic to other events/sports.

You cheat, you should be out and discredited. That's my opinion.

With such a long laundry list of players using PEDs, you wonder some of the lesser known players would have ended up in terms of stardom. I mean, did the guys who hit 40-50 homers without drugs during the ridiculously high HR total years deserve more credit as the best in the game (not that I'd even know who they are, but I'm just throwing the thought out there)?

Just curious, but when do you think they were not using PED's? How did you come to the conclusion(s)?

 

[Craig - 21hawk]

I think it's interesting that, at this point, 67% voting think something other than "NO".


Pretty telling as to the sope of the impact PED's have on fans.

Or just telling on who is interested enough to vote. I just now opened this thread and read this page only, because frankly I'm sick of the discussion. I have now voted 'No' though.

Craig

 

[jlvjr16]

Rich Goose Gossage also bashed AROD. As a die-hard Yankee fan, AROD is such a faker and I believe he used ROIDs during his Yankee years. THough, I would like to get his autograph on a OMLB. Imma get it outside his Park Avenue address, if he has not moved yet.

 

[matfanofold]

I think it's interesting that, at this point, 67% voting think something other than "NO".


Pretty telling as to the scope of the impact PED's have on fans.

I would hope that the majority voted something other than "No" simply due to the fact that you cannot erase anything from the past.

We cannot erase steroids, we cannot erase statistics.

Huh?

Voting other than "NO" means that to some degree they feel the stats should be stricken. I'm not sure of your point here?? You hope they vote 'yes' to agree but state it can not/should not be done??

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

If you think it's fair to take away an Olympic Medal b/c the winner was proven to be a PED user, why not apply the same logic to other events/sports.

You cheat, you should be out and discredited. That's my opinion.

With such a long laundry list of players using PEDs, you wonder some of the lesser known players would have ended up in terms of stardom. I mean, did the guys who hit 40-50 homers without drugs during the ridiculously high HR total years deserve more credit as the best in the game (not that I'd even know who they are, but I'm just throwing the thought out there)?

Bill, I think the difference between baseball and the Olympics is great.

"Olympism is a philosophy of life, exalting and combining in a balanced whole the qualities of body, will and mind. Blending Sport with culture and education, Olympism seeks to create a way of life based on the joy found in effort, the educational value of good example and respect for universal fundamental ethical principles."

- Olympic Charter 2004, Fundamental Principles

As saccharine as that sounds...it definitely has never fit the baseball mold.

Golf would be a better example when relating to the Olympic spirit. Golfers routinely turn themselves in for mistakes/fouls on the course...in some cases costing them their income. But that's golf, professional golfers have a respect for the game and their peers...this is a baseball.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

I think it's interesting that, at this point, 67% voting think something other than "NO".


Pretty telling as to the scope of the impact PED's have on fans.

I would hope that the majority voted something other than "YES" simply due to the fact that you cannot erase anything from the past.

We cannot erase steroids, we cannot erase statistics.

Huh?

Voting other than "NO" means that to some degree they feel the stats should be stricken. I'm not sure of your point here?? You hope they vote 'yes' to agree but state it can not/should not be done??

Extremely confusing...with good reason. I typed "NO" when I meant to type "YES."

Since edited.

 

[ffgameman]

The MLB would be abolishing a whole lot of stats!

That would erase much baseball history that occured over the last 20-25 years. Plus, how are they going to do it fairly and pinpoint every single PED user?

 

[matfanofold]

I think it's interesting that, at this point, 67% voting think something other than "NO".


Pretty telling as to the scope of the impact PED's have on fans.

I would hope that the majority voted something other than "YES" simply due to the fact that you cannot erase anything from the past.

We cannot erase steroids, we cannot erase statistics.

Huh?

Voting other than "NO" means that to some degree they feel the stats should be stricken. I'm not sure of your point here?? You hope they vote 'yes' to agree but state it can not/should not be done??

Extremely confusing...with good reason. I typed "NO" when I meant to type "YES."

Since edited.

Ah, ok... I thought I was loosing it....

 

[MattinglyAlexander]

I think it's interesting that, at this point, 67% voting think something other than "NO".


Pretty telling as to the scope of the impact PED's have on fans.

I would hope that the majority voted something other than "No" simply due to the fact that you cannot erase anything from the past.

We cannot erase steroids, we cannot erase statistics.

We can't change that it happened, but we most certainly can remove the stats and kudos associated with them. Ill-gotten gains! lol.

 

[notjomommasclint]

why stop at ped users? we could strike all cheaters stats. if a player has sharpened his spikes, corked his bat, stolen a sign, threw a spitball, or doctored a ball then they cheated as well. but no those are all quirky and fun for the game. cheating is cheating and the only thing i want is that if a player is going to use peds then they should have to apply them in the dugout.

 

[MattinglyAlexander]

why stop at ped users? we could strike all cheaters stats. if a player has sharpened his spikes, corked his bat, stolen a sign, threw a spitball, or doctored a ball then they cheated as well. but no those are all quirky and fun for the game. cheating is cheating and the only thing i want is that if a player is going to use peds then they should have to apply them in the dugout.

Maybe I was wrong...and we should execute jaywalkers.

 

[predatorkj]

If you think it's fair to take away an Olympic Medal b/c the winner was proven to be a PED user, why not apply the same logic to other events/sports.

You cheat, you should be out and discredited. That's my opinion.

With such a long laundry list of players using PEDs, you wonder some of the lesser known players would have ended up in terms of stardom. I mean, did the guys who hit 40-50 homers without drugs during the ridiculously high HR total years deserve more credit as the best in the game (not that I'd even know who they are, but I'm just throwing the thought out there)?

Bill, I think the difference between baseball and the Olympics is great.

"Olympism is a philosophy of life, exalting and combining in a balanced whole the qualities of body, will and mind. Blending Sport with culture and education, Olympism seeks to create a way of life based on the joy found in effort, the educational value of good example and respect for universal fundamental ethical principles."

- Olympic Charter 2004, Fundamental Principles

As saccharine as that sounds...it definitely has never fit the baseball mold.

Golf would be a better example when relating to the Olympic spirit. Golfers routinely turn themselves in for mistakes/fouls on the course...in some cases costing them their income. But that's golf, professional golfers have a respect for the game and their peers...this is a baseball.

Like I said before...I don't fault Oswalt for saying something but I will tell you this much...what he proposes could never be done.Not good enough to be accurate anyway.Its not like the olympics at all and if there was somebody on every team who took steroids(which there undoubtedly is at least one person on every roster who has taken them or was at some point during their career) then who the hell do you give the championship to?Do you say "Well so and so took more roids or for longer or hit more homers with them than this guy did".I mean...it would spiral out of control because whereas you have the olympics where there is a clear cut second and third place winner and so on...Baseball is much more complex and before you know it your basing the decision off of hypothetical circumstances and assumption.

 

[hive17]

So you remove their stats, what does that do? And where does it stop. Since his teammate helped Oakland get into the playoffs, does that mean that Oakland should remove all evidence they made it, since it was on the backs of users?

I mean, I would think that any awards they won should be stripped as well. But jeez, take away Tejada's MVP, and where can you definatively stop going down the runner-up list and be sure you don't have a user?

I think we should all just be satisfied with destroying thier image for years to come and telling our kids how bad they were and that they were cheaters

 

[sportscardtheory]

So you remove their stats, what does that do? And where does it stop. Since his teammate helped Oakland get into the playoffs, does that mean that Oakland should remove all evidence they made it, since it was on the backs of users?

I mean, I would think that any awards they won should be stripped as well. But jeez, take away Tejada's MVP, and where can you definatively stop going down the runner-up list and be sure you don't have a user?

I think we should all just be satisfied with destroying thier image for years to come and telling our kids how bad they were and that they were cheaters

Stats, no... awards, yes. They should go to the next in line (as long as they were not proven abusers, lol).

 

[notjomommasclint]

why stop at ped users? we could strike all cheaters stats. if a player has sharpened his spikes, corked his bat, stolen a sign, threw a spitball, or doctored a ball then they cheated as well. but no those are all quirky and fun for the game. cheating is cheating and the only thing i want is that if a player is going to use peds then they should have to apply them in the dugout.

Maybe I was wrong...and we should execute jaywalkers.

you hear or read sportswriters claiming the stats and games are tarnished for decades (color barrier). i say they have been tarnished. they will tell you if someone apologizes only after being caught that we should celebrate his honesty. i say thats insane celebrate the man who admits it before evidence surfaces. my problem with all of that crap is baseball was founded by hooligans, cheaters and brawlers. knowing which pitch is coming will give you a better chance of hitting the ball. corking your bat will add distance to your deep pop flies. who could hit a knuckleball if there is a groove in the ball? those give the same advantage as peds yet are considered fun for the game. would roy oswalt want ripken jrs stats to disappear if he took amphetamines? if you are going to say there is a steroid era then you need to include the whole time frame from the 60's forth.

 

[KillerBeeFan]

While Oswalt's statement about removing stats is not that smart, as an Astros fan I am proud that at least a couple of people on the team are trying to speak out about the whole PED issue. At least I can tell my kids that there are MLB players who care enough to say "No".

Phil