Ryan Braun suspended for rest of season

[rum151man]

To be honest, using PEDS in football would be more like trying to tread water. Some of these guys are so strong it's insane. In baseball, I think it helps so much that if you can even hit the ball, you'll have the ability to turn into a monster. Of course it varies by each player and their god given talent. Plus it depends on what they take. But look at some of the guys who were already decent or damn good. Like Bonds. You take Bonds without steroids and he would have probably neared 600 homers and been a sure fire HOF. You give him roids and he turns into the all time home run champ and career leader? You have records standing forever in a day that got broken and surpassed by three different people within what...a few years span? Is that not saying something? Brady Anderson? Is that not saying something? In baseball it seems, you give a guy roids, the right kind, and leave him alone for long enough, he will do things the sport hasn't seen or at least make the damn near impossible look quite ordinary. Throughout the late 80's and 90's and even now, we have way too many guys hitting homers and just generally being as strong as hell. So I'd really like everyone to understand that roids are doing things that are well above the threshold of what I would call a minimum difference. Given to the right person with the right talent, the sky is the limit. I'd say that's a big deal. Given to a guy like let's say Hunter Pence or the like, you can turn a 20-25 hr a year guy into a 40 or 50 hr a year guy. You could probably turn a 10 hr guy into someone who can hit 25-30 a year. It's doing something.

With football, I've seen these players up close and also during training. If I had to play in the NFL, taking roids wouldn't be a thing I'd do to make a name for myself by being able to perform super feats. It would be more like trying to hold my own against some freak of nature who can naturally bench press 500 pounds and is capable of picking me up like a baby and snapping my spinal cord at every vertebrae in my body as easily as a candy cane.

Do I think either sport should allow it? Nope. But I'm not convinced roids can create as much of an un-level playing field in football as it can in baseball. At least not one we as fans will notice.

I pretty much agree that's why I feel the fans & people are generally more upset with baseball PED use because they know it is affecting the games outcomes & #'s more than PED use in football.

 

[rum151man]

It was mentioned, and then it was dropped. If that had been Pujols or Griffey or a big name in baseball, it would have been front page news for weeks. Imagine that coming out about Buster Posey a few days before the WS...

In my mind it comes down to the fact that sports fans have "decided" to care about steroids in baseball and not in other sports. It was not all that long ago when we all kind of knew that steroids were an issue in baseball, but no one really cared all that much. A confluence of many issues pushed people to begin caring (likely driven in large part by the media). That has not happened in football yet. It would not shock me if that changes in the next few years though I imagine it will need a catalyst, whether it be a player dying (which I pray does not happen) or something else that gets the ball rolling.

Ray Lewis didn't do anything illegal or against the rules with the deer antler spray. & it was a pretty big topic leading up to the Super Bowl

 

[predatorkj]

It was mentioned, and then it was dropped. If that had been Pujols or Griffey or a big name in baseball, it would have been front page news for weeks. Imagine that coming out about Buster Posey a few days before the WS...

In my mind it comes down to the fact that sports fans have "decided" to care about steroids in baseball and not in other sports. It was not all that long ago when we all kind of knew that steroids were an issue in baseball, but no one really cared all that much. A confluence of many issues pushed people to begin caring (likely driven in large part by the media). That has not happened in football yet. It would not shock me if that changes in the next few years though I imagine it will need a catalyst, whether it be a player dying (which I pray does not happen) or something else that gets the ball rolling.

It was out there for at least a week hardcore. But Lewis was not found to have been using anything banned if I recall. Hence it was a no-story. Trust me, the media will milk things as far as they can. Had he been using something banned, it would have been a big deal. But I do agree with some of the other PED stuff not getting enough attention. Like Von Miller, I am a big fan and had no idea. That's crazy!

 

[rum151man]

It was out there for at least a week hardcore. But Lewis was not found to have been using anything banned if I recall. Hence it was a no-story. Trust me, the media will milk things as far as they can. Had he been using something banned, it would have been a big deal. But I do agree with some of the other PED stuff not getting enough attention. Like Von Miller, I am a big fan and had no idea. That's crazy!

I'm pretty sure Von Miller is not being suspended for PED's it's drug violation aka Marijuana

 

[Topnotchsy]

It was out there for at least a week hardcore. But Lewis was not found to have been using anything banned if I recall. Hence it was a no-story. Trust me, the media will milk things as far as they can. Had he been using something banned, it would have been a big deal. But I do agree with some of the other PED stuff not getting enough attention. Like Von Miller, I am a big fan and had no idea. That's crazy!

Miller may not have been PED's (last I heard). I don't think it's about any specific player or event. I just think that we are at the point with football that we were at with baseball 10 years ago. We all know it is going on, but we just don't care all that much. We aren't searching to identify which players have cheated, and overall I think most people would rather that we never find out.

 

[rum151man]

Miller failed a drug test in his rookie season in 2011 for amphetamines & marijuana. I believe after 1 failed test the player enters a probation type of period and if they fail another test they will face suspension. I think you have to fail 2 drug test non PED related to be suspended for your first offense. So looks like he prob failed another drug test within that probation period and now faces a 4 game suspension.

 

[predatorkj]

Miller may not have been PED's (last I heard). I don't think it's about any specific player or event. I just think that we are at the point with football that we were at with baseball 10 years ago. We all know it is going on, but we just don't care all that much. We aren't searching to identify which players have cheated, and overall I think most people would rather that we never find out.

Well I just don't think it affects the game enough to care all that much. Name me a football player that has used and how it might have helped doing anything we'd notice? If AP comes up dirty I'll have to eat my foot on that but oh well. I'd like them not to do it but really, I'm not noticing things one way or another. But you wake up one morning and find out not one but two people broke Roger Maris' record, it's a little bit of a shock. IMO, football players have enough health issues to worry about. They should try not to tack anything else onto that but hey, if they want to act like fools, there isn't much I can do to stop them. Just like I can't stop them from spending money on stupid things and being broke before they even decide to retire. All I can do is shake my head. But at least it's a little more understandable for football.

 

[Topnotchsy]

Well I just don't think it affects the game enough to care all that much. Name me a football player that has used and how it might have helped doing anything we'd notice? If AP comes up dirty I'll have to eat my foot on that but oh well. I'd like them not to do it but really, I'm not noticing things one way or another. But you wake up one morning and find out not one but two people broke Roger Maris' record, it's a little bit of a shock. IMO, football players have enough health issues to worry about. They should try not to tack anything else onto that but hey, if they want to act like fools, there isn't much I can do to stop them. Just like I can't stop them from spending money on stupid things and being broke before they even decide to retire. All I can do is shake my head. But at least it's a little more understandable for football.

The records in baseball certainly played a role but I think it's important to recall that many people were pretty sure these guys were on steroids, and people just did not care all that much before the media (and the sport and government) made a big deal about it.

With football players it is really hard to say. We don't know who is on steroids, how many are on steroids, and what they would be like otherwise. What if 10 of the top 15 players are on steroids ad that is the reason they are so good? We just have no idea.

 

[Mighty Bombjack]

Name me a football player that has used and how it might have helped doing anything we'd notice?

When I learned that Lawrence Taylor was coked up for much of his game play, his dominance and seemingly unstoppable motor made greater sense to me.

 

[muskiesfan]

The NFL went through its steroid era before MLB. During the 80s, football was under serious scrutiny about steroid use. Former players were admitting use, a lot of players appeared to be using, and Lyle Alzado was sick which everyone attributed to his steroid use (except his doctors). Football was in a XXXX storm in the 80s. I remember it very well.

In 1987, football banned steroids. It was the first professional sport to do so. Suspensions began in 1989. When it comes to steroids, the NFL was well ahead of everyone else. To this day, football still has a much more strict testing policy than MLB.

In my opinion, that is the difference. Football dealt with and responded to steroid use almost 30 years ago. Players get suspended every season. People see that the system works. In baseball, the majority of suspensions are handed down to players no one has ever heard of. Minor leaguers get popped a lot more than big leaguers. On top of that, there has been mentions and rumors for years that baseball players are told in advance of their upcoming tests so that they have time to cycle off.

Football is the national past time now, not baseball. Steroids has something to do with that. The average, casual fans I talk to feel baseball is incredibly weak on steroids. Probably because baseball just sat back and raked in billions when everyone knew what was going on. Or maybe because baseball banned steroids in 1991, but couldn't start testing because the players wouldn't allow it. Baseball catered to the players for years and is now still dealing with the repercussions.

Football responded to its steroid era in a way that everyone wanted. Rules, testing, punishment. Baseball ignored, ignored, rules, ignored, ignored, ignored, etc. So to say football is where baseball was 10 years ago would be wrong. Baseball is where football was 30 years ago. MLB is WAY far behind the NFL in dealing with steroids.

 

[thefatguy]

Did you really just compare a guy being charged with murder to a guy who took steroids?

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Is that what I said?

BTW, Hernandez hasn't even gone to trial yet and he's guilty in everyone's eyes.



How long has Braun been lying to fans, cheating them out of their hard earned money? It's the least the Brewers could do to offer something to fans that feel slighted or betrayed by Braun's act.

 

[hive17]

I'm not guessing....

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Unless TJ Quinn is in on some conspiracy. Also if you follow him he notes how Yankee fans are ready to light the BBQ for AROD but Brewer fans are still in denial. Lol

Again, what does that have to do with Braun being a snitch and being hated even more? You're not understanding my point, which is pretty clear.

Braun was hung by the evidence and copped a deal to avoid 100 games maybe? There is no proof that he snitched, had anyone to snitch on, or that MLB even needed a snitch. Like I said, they had Bosch. Other players may hate Braun for cheating, but your snitch assertion makes no sense and isn't backed up.

 

[jbhofmann]

The NFL is running rampant with HGH.

 

[jbhofmann]

Again, what does that have to do with Braun being a snitch and being hated even more? You're not understanding my point, which is pretty clear.

Braun was hung by the evidence and copped a deal to avoid 100 games maybe? There is no proof that he snitched, had anyone to snitch on, or that MLB even needed a snitch. Like I said, they had Bosch. Other players may hate Braun for cheating, but your snitch assertion makes no sense and isn't backed up.

There's nothing that says my theory is incorrect.

There very good information that I was correct on Braun be a habitual user and liar.

I'll rest on this, I know it's still a sore subject for some.

 

[thefatguy]

There's nothing that has said Braun has snitched on anyone. AFAIK all he did was accept a suspension.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

The NFL is running rampant with HGH.

This is something that's probably true but most people don't seem to care about as its generally expected that football players (for better or worse) should be big, dumb, raging neanderthals.

Heck, they're trying to get rid of kickers because they're not neanderthal-like enough!

 

[jrinne]

Is that what I said?

BTW, Hernandez hasn't even gone to trial yet and he's guilty in everyone's eyes.



How long has Braun been lying to fans, cheating them out of their hard earned money? It's the least the Brewers could do to offer something to fans that feel slighted or betrayed by Braun's act.

You said they should do a jersey swap like they did with hernandez. So you are comparing the 2. One is being looked into for murder and the other used steroids. Great comparison.

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[elmalo]

The NFL went through its steroid era before MLB. During the 80s, football was under serious scrutiny about steroid use. Former players were admitting use, a lot of players appeared to be using, and Lyle Alzado was sick which everyone attributed to his steroid use (except his doctors). Football was in a XXXX storm in the 80s. I remember it very well.

In 1987, football banned steroids. It was the first professional sport to do so. Suspensions began in 1989. When it comes to steroids, the NFL was well ahead of everyone else. To this day, football still has a much more strict testing policy than MLB.

In my opinion, that is the difference. Football dealt with and responded to steroid use almost 30 years ago. Players get suspended every season. People see that the system works. In baseball, the majority of suspensions are handed down to players no one has ever heard of. Minor leaguers get popped a lot more than big leaguers. On top of that, there has been mentions and rumors for years that baseball players are told in advance of their upcoming tests so that they have time to cycle off.

Football is the national past time now, not baseball. Steroids has something to do with that. The average, casual fans I talk to feel baseball is incredibly weak on steroids. Probably because baseball just sat back and raked in billions when everyone knew what was going on. Or maybe because baseball banned steroids in 1991, but couldn't start testing because the players wouldn't allow it. Baseball catered to the players for years and is now still dealing with the repercussions.

Football responded to its steroid era in a way that everyone wanted. Rules, testing, punishment. Baseball ignored, ignored, rules, ignored, ignored, ignored, etc. So to say football is where baseball was 10 years ago would be wrong. Baseball is where football was 30 years ago. MLB is WAY far behind the NFL in dealing with steroids.

Footballs testing is a bigger joke than baseballs is. The NFL doesn't want to catch anyone because the league wouldn't exist as it does without steroids.

 

[hive17]

There's nothing that says my theory is incorrect.

There very good information that I was correct on Braun be a habitual user and liar.

I'll rest on this, I know it's still a sore subject for some.

Yeah, resting is good, because we're not arguing the same sub-topic, and you're confused.

 

[A_Pharis]

Ryan Braun suspended by MLB for juicing ... finally - YouTube

Some things I love:

- A-Rod's nameplate being "A-Rod".
- Aoki nailing Braun with the bat while Braun is just randomly standing on the first base path.
- Braun having blue pee in a bottle that grows limbs.
- Braun walking like a model.
- Braun accosting the handler in his own home while in uniform.
- Braun's pee melting him.
- Braun batting with a blue liquid-filled glass bat.
- Bartolo's weight loss and winning clean pee.
- The Riverdog mascot popping ARod by poking him in the butt.
- The kid running on the field during play to give Braun the bat.
- Giant batteries.


Wait, that's the whole thing. I LOVE IT ALL!