Ryan Howard > Albert Pujols

[rico08]

Pujols would have hit that pitch too, except out of the park.

If we're talking 2009 playoffs, we'll see how he does against a legit (Dodger's) bullpen.

 

[ThoseBackPages]

OK Buckwheat, we get it, you like the Phillies!

 

[abncollectsautos]

I do know Howard has more production around him than Pujols. I think Pujols is going to command so much money that the Cards may not be able to sign many more big bats. I like them both. Both are huge power threats. Yes Howard strikes out a bit more, but who cares. They both produce great numbers. If strikouts were that big of a deal, then Reggie Jackson would not be a HOF'er.

Pujols is better with the glove hands down. But Pujols is also a baby when things dont go his way. A couple season ago when Howard won the MVP, Pujols kept saying how crappy it was for a player to win and not make the playoffs. Last year when Pujols won, you did not hear Howard complaining.

I'll take Howard, but neither is a bad choice.

 

[pujolsjunkie]

I do know Howard has more production around him than Pujols. I think Pujols is going to command so much money that the Cards may not be able to sign many more big bats. I like them both. Both are huge power threats. Yes Howard strikes out a bit more, but who cares. They both produce great numbers. If strikouts were that big of a deal, then Reggie Jackson would not be a HOF'er.

Pujols is better with the glove hands down. But Pujols is also a baby when things dont go his way. A couple season ago when Howard won the MVP, Pujols kept saying how crappy it was for a player to win and not make the playoffs. Last year when Pujols won, you did not hear Howard complaining.

I'll take Howard, but neither is a bad choice.

Yeah, when Pujols has protection like Rollins, Victorino, Utley, Werth and Ibanez, we'll see what kind of numbers he'd put up. Howard isn't pitched around NEARLY as much as Pujols is. One hitter of Holliday's caliber doesn't change everything.

 

[abncollectsautos]

I do know Howard has more production around him than Pujols. I think Pujols is going to command so much money that the Cards may not be able to sign many more big bats. I like them both. Both are huge power threats. Yes Howard strikes out a bit more, but who cares. They both produce great numbers. If strikouts were that big of a deal, then Reggie Jackson would not be a HOF'er.

Pujols is better with the glove hands down. But Pujols is also a baby when things dont go his way. A couple season ago when Howard won the MVP, Pujols kept saying how crappy it was for a player to win and not make the playoffs. Last year when Pujols won, you did not hear Howard complaining.

I'll take Howard, but neither is a bad choice.

Yeah, when Pujols has protection like Rollins, Victorino, Utley, Werth and Ibanez, we'll see what kind of numbers he'd put up. Howard isn't pitched around NEARLY as much as Pujols is. One hitter of Holliday's caliber doesn't change everything.

I agree. If Pujols had 3 or 4 outstanding bats around him, he may put up some astronimical numbers. But that wont happen. Pujols is going to ask for quite alot, and the cards dont have as much available to spend on bats. Pujols is not quite as feared as Bonds, but may be the next most feared batter of the past 20 years or so.

 

[pujolsjunkie]

I do know Howard has more production around him than Pujols. I think Pujols is going to command so much money that the Cards may not be able to sign many more big bats. I like them both. Both are huge power threats. Yes Howard strikes out a bit more, but who cares. They both produce great numbers. If strikouts were that big of a deal, then Reggie Jackson would not be a HOF'er.

Pujols is better with the glove hands down. But Pujols is also a baby when things dont go his way. A couple season ago when Howard won the MVP, Pujols kept saying how crappy it was for a player to win and not make the playoffs. Last year when Pujols won, you did not hear Howard complaining.

I'll take Howard, but neither is a bad choice.

Yeah, when Pujols has protection like Rollins, Victorino, Utley, Werth and Ibanez, we'll see what kind of numbers he'd put up. Howard isn't pitched around NEARLY as much as Pujols is. One hitter of Holliday's caliber doesn't change everything.

I agree. If Pujols had 3 or 4 outstanding bats around him, he may put up some astronimical numbers. But that wont happen. Pujols is going to ask for quite alot, and the cards dont have as much available to spend on bats. Pujols is not quite as feared as Bonds, but may be the next most feared batter of the past 20 years or so.

What people tend to forget is that Howard's big payday is very close...

 

[hofautos]

author>>Ryan Howard > Albert Pujols

:lol:

 

[abncollectsautos]

I do know Howard has more production around him than Pujols. I think Pujols is going to command so much money that the Cards may not be able to sign many more big bats. I like them both. Both are huge power threats. Yes Howard strikes out a bit more, but who cares. They both produce great numbers. If strikouts were that big of a deal, then Reggie Jackson would not be a HOF'er.

Pujols is better with the glove hands down. But Pujols is also a baby when things dont go his way. A couple season ago when Howard won the MVP, Pujols kept saying how crappy it was for a player to win and not make the playoffs. Last year when Pujols won, you did not hear Howard complaining.

I'll take Howard, but neither is a bad choice.

Yeah, when Pujols has protection like Rollins, Victorino, Utley, Werth and Ibanez, we'll see what kind of numbers he'd put up. Howard isn't pitched around NEARLY as much as Pujols is. One hitter of Holliday's caliber doesn't change everything.

I agree. If Pujols had 3 or 4 outstanding bats around him, he may put up some astronimical numbers. But that wont happen. Pujols is going to ask for quite alot, and the cards dont have as much available to spend on bats. Pujols is not quite as feared as Bonds, but may be the next most feared batter of the past 20 years or so.

What people tend to forget is that Howard's big payday is very close...

That it is, I wonder how much he is going to ask for. Pujols is goig to ask for AROD type money, which he rightly deserves. Wonder what Howard will ask for.

 

[pujolsthomefan33]

[/quote]

Yeah, when Pujols has protection like Rollins, Victorino, Utley, Werth and Ibanez, we'll see what kind of numbers he'd put up. Howard isn't pitched around NEARLY as much as Pujols is. One hitter of Holliday's caliber doesn't change everything.[/quote]


100% correct....bottom line, Pujols didnt even see a pitch that was worth hitting the entire series against the Dodgers....give the Dodgers credit for that, they did exactly what they wanted to do and completely pitched around Pujols.

If Pujols was up and there was an empty base they walked him, and I remember 3 or 4 times when there were runners in scoring position with 2 outs and Pujols was on deck and the Cardinals could never get him up that inning, he always ended up leading off the following inning with nobody on.

Another factor to consider, when looking at the numbers that others have posted, is that Pujols has produced better than Howard in about half the at bats since he gets walked the other half.

Saying that Pujols is not as good as Ryan Howard is absurd, and well, frankly stupid. The numbers suggest completely the opposite and if you actually watched the Dodgers vs. Cardinals or better yet could understand what you were watching, you would not have even wasted time to make this post.


TK

 

[abncollectsautos]

I agree Pujols mayb be the better overall player. But I thin kright now, I would rather have Howard. It has nothing to do with the division series, I have no idea how either has fared.

 

[lordsepic]

Yea but guys remember in 2006 Howard hit a homerun against the Mets... Pujols struck out against the mets the same year... Howard is way better...he doesnt strike out against the mets

 

[notjomommasclint]

Im not talking about beating up on the Reds here, Im talking about the 1-12 performance against
the Cubs last year, you know, games that matter.


Call me a homer, but Howard is more clutch than Pujols the past two years.

Clutch = Hitting when it matters:

w/ RISP (08)
Howard: .320 - 12 - 90 (16 IBB)
Pujols: .339 - 9 - 75 (34 IBB)

2 out w/ RSIP (08)
Howard: .322 - 5 - 35 (11 IBB)
Pujols: .326 - 5 - 24 (20 IBB)

w/ RISP (09)
Howard: .266 - 15 - 96 (8 IBB)
Pujols: .361 - 10 - 83 (43 IBB)

2 out w/ RSIP (09)
Howard: .222 - 3 - 26 (4 IBB)
Pujols: .243 - 2 - 16 (20 IBB)

First you say he's not good down the stretch, then that's proven wrong, so you're going to pull out specific series!?!? Wow. You are stretching here aren't you? You can't pull out one single point that shows Howard is better than Pujols other than:

Pujols sucked in one series against the Cubs.
Howard is still in the playoffs.

Wow.

Well, how about Howard going 1-11 in a September series vs. Washington or 1-8 in a separate September series vs. Washington this year. I mean, damn, Howard can't even hit against crappy teams!

Ugh...this is getting ridiculous when someone can't even make a valid argument!

PWND!

there i said it!

 

[dooly]

This topic is just ridiculous...any one player is better than another player if you take small sample sizes. Howard shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as pujols.

While we are on the topic, i dont get why ppl use RISP with 2 outs as a clutch situation. In fact, the whole concept of clutch is very bogus. Why does RISP with 2 outs matter more than RISP with 1 out or man on first with no outs, or man on 1st with 1 out, etc.

I just want my players to be able to hit well in any situation. The numbers will even themselves out over a large sample size.

 

[jbhofmann]

Pujols hasn't been clutch since 04

Did you see him with the bases loaded this year? Pretty clutch situation if you ask me.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I do know Howard has more production around him than Pujols. I think Pujols is going to command so much money that the Cards may not be able to sign many more big bats. I like them both. Both are huge power threats. Yes Howard strikes out a bit more, but who cares. They both produce great numbers. If strikouts were that big of a deal, then Reggie Jackson would not be a HOF'er.

Pujols is better with the glove hands down. But Pujols is also a baby when things dont go his way. A couple season ago when Howard won the MVP, Pujols kept saying how crappy it was for a player to win and not make the playoffs. Last year when Pujols won, you did not hear Howard complaining.

I'll take Howard, but neither is a bad choice.

Yeah, when Pujols has protection like Rollins, Victorino, Utley, Werth and Ibanez, we'll see what kind of numbers he'd put up. Howard isn't pitched around NEARLY as much as Pujols is. One hitter of Holliday's caliber doesn't change everything.

I agree. If Pujols had 3 or 4 outstanding bats around him, he may put up some astronimical numbers. But that wont happen. Pujols is going to ask for quite alot, and the cards dont have as much available to spend on bats. Pujols is not quite as feared as Bonds, but may be the next most feared batter of the past 20 years or so.

What people tend to forget is that Howard's big payday is very close...

Ryan Howard is being paid $15 million this year, $19 mill next year, and $20 million in 2011. I think those are big paydays.

 

[studioclint]

Is there a way to see who struck out more to end a game or a rally?

 

[schmidtfan20]

man Pujols fans are rabid, especially after their guy crawled under the bed in the playoffs. I don't
think I have heard more excuses in my life. Bad pitches, no one around him...blah blah blah...I love
it, lets see how Howard does against a good Dodger pitching staff...I have news for you all, we already
know how he would do, he did it last year on their way to a ring!

They are going to have to close this place down when (if) Alberto ever gets caught with the roids. You all
are going to be jumping off buildings and slicing wrists!

Ill take the guy still in the playoffs and you can have your "better" first basemen.

LOL

Kevin

 

[pujolsthomefan33]

man Pujols fans are rabid, especially after their guy crawled under the bed in the playoffs. I don't
think I have heard more excuses in my life. Bad pitches, no one around him...blah blah blah...I love
it, lets see how Howard does against a good Dodger pitching staff...I have news for you all, we already
know how he would do, he did it last year on their way to a ring!

They are going to have to close this place down when (if) Alberto ever gets caught with the roids. You all
are going to be jumping off buildings and slicing wrists!

Ill take the guy still in the playoffs and you can have your "better" first basemen.

LOL

Kevin

::facepalm::

 

[bodiaz]

I will say this to end this fool, ask any GM in baseball who he would rather have! That will give you the answer of who is better! And I believe Howard is younger! Unanimous choice is Pujols. The Phillies GM could offer Howard, Rollins, Utley, and that green piece of #$@% that dances on the dugout, and the Cards manager would hang up on him! It is not even close Phillies homer!

 

[cartersprings]

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man Pujols fans are rabid, especially after their guy crawled under the bed in the playoffs. I don't
think I have heard more excuses in my life. Bad pitches, no one around him...blah blah blah...I love
it, lets see how Howard does against a good Dodger pitching staff...I have news for you all, we already
know how he would do, he did it last year on their way to a ring!

They are going to have to close this place down when (if) Alberto ever gets caught with the roids. You all
are going to be jumping off buildings and slicing wrists!

Ill take the guy still in the playoffs and you can have your "better" first basemen.

LOL

Kevin