Should Albert Belle be in the HOF?

[MansGame]

^^ I need to find out what the colums are for these numbers... where did you pull this from?

 

[ThoseBackPages]

i might vote for Joey, not Albert though

 

[sportscardtheory]

The major difference with Belle and Juan Gonzalez is that Gonzalez has ties to PED abuse and Belle never has.

 

[Ryan The Orange]

Don't think he should be in the HOF. But his attitude was quite entertaining if you were not the person being attacked lol.

"It was a taken in baseball circles that Albert Belle was nuts... The Indians billed him $10,000 a year for the damage he caused in clubhouses on the road and at home, and tolerated his behavior only because he was an awesome slugger... He slurped coffee constantly and seemed to be on a perpetual caffeinated frenzy. Few escaped his wrath: on some days he would destroy the postgame buffet...launching plates into the shower... after one poor at-bat against Boston, he retreated to the visitor's clubhouse and took a bat to teammate Kenny Lofton's boombox. Belle preferred to have the clubhouse cold, below 60 degrees, and when one chilly teammate turned up the heat, Belle walked over, turned down the thermostat, and smashed it with his bat. His nickname, thereafter, was "Mr. Freeze." - Buster Olney

 

[HPC]

Albert Belle is not HOF worthy.

While yes, he dominated pitching in the 90's with his incredible season averages, his overall career numbers are not reflective of a HOF caliber player.

If Belle does by some chance get in but guys like Mark Grace, Nomar, and Mattingly don't, there is something wrong with the Hall of Fame and it's voters.

 

[markakis8]

Albert Belle is not HOF worthy.

While yes, he dominated pitching in the 90's with his incredible season averages, his overall career numbers are not reflective of a HOF caliber player.

If Belle does by some chance get in but guys like Mark Grace, Nomar, and Mattingly don't, there is something wrong with the Hall of Fame and it's voters.

Are you saying Mark Grace, Nomar, and Mattingly put up the numbers Albert Belle did?

Nomar put together 6 HOF seasons, that's it.

Mark Grace was consistent in hits and average and nothing else.

Don Mattingly had 4 HOF season, 5 at MOST. And he declined in power steadily in what should've been his prime years, regardless of the reason.

Albert Belle put up a legit 10 HOF seasons. The other 3 players you listed aren't even close to the same caliber hitter Belle was.

 

[markakis8]

Here's the difference for me. Albert Belle was in a league of his own when he played. And he didn't for a good length of time. He averaged, over 10 seasons, numbers that Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, and Ken Griffey Jr. did. Some seasons he put up numbers just as good as Albert Pujols.

He was an ELITE hitter for a long enough period of time. Nomar, Mark Grace, and Mattingly were great hitters, but not elite - and if they ever were - it was a very short period of time.

 

[HPC]

Are you saying Mark Grace, Nomar, and Mattingly put up the numbers Albert Belle did?

Nomar put together 6 HOF seasons, that's it.

Mark Grace was consistent in hits and average and nothing else.

Don Mattingly had 4 HOF season, 5 at MOST. And he declined in power steadily in what should've been his prime years, regardless of the reason.

Albert Belle put up a legit 10 HOF seasons. The other 3 players you listed aren't even close to the same caliber hitter Belle was.

Where did I say at all that they put up the same numbers he did???

The point Im making is that there are guys, like Belle, who put up consistent numbers throughout their careers which can now be considered HOF worthy, but are not in the HOF.

If Belle gets in, but guys like I mentioned don't, then there is something wrong with the HOF.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

And I thought I stated this regarding Kiner, but I did not...let's not forget he left the minors after 1943 and served two years in WWII.

As for Belle, his stats and dominance are HOF worthy at just the most minimal time frame, but his attitude, contract, cork, etc...keep him on the other side of the hump. Outside of Cooperstown.

 

[markakis8]

Where did I say at all that they put up the same numbers he did???

The point Im making is that there are guys, like Belle, who put up consistent numbers throughout their careers which can now be considered HOF worthy, but are not in the HOF.

If Belle gets in, but guys like I mentioned don't, then there is something wrong with the HOF.

It's clear you don't see how far ahead of a hitter Belle was from Grace, Mattingly, and Nomar. When you say "if Belle gets in and guys like Grace, Mattingly, and Nomar don't, there is something wrong with the HOF", it makes you appear as if you are saying they were just as good of a hitter as Belle.

 

[MansGame]

It's clear you don't see how far ahead of a hitter Belle was from Grace, Mattingly, and Nomar. When you say "if Belle gets in and guys like Grace, Mattingly, and Nomar don't, there is something wrong with the HOF", it makes you appear as if you are saying they were just as good of a hitter as Belle.

+1

 

[HPC]

It's clear you don't see how far ahead of a hitter Belle was from Grace, Mattingly, and Nomar. When you say "if Belle gets in and guys like Grace, Mattingly, and Nomar don't, there is something wrong with the HOF", it makes you appear as if you are saying they were just as good of a hitter as Belle.

You are completely missing my point and keep trying to justify Belle getting in by saying how dominant he was and that alone is the basis for his acceptance. No one is debating he wasnt a dominant hitter.

So you also must believe Mo Vaughn is a HOF'er too, right?

 

[markakis8]

You are completely missing my point and keep trying to justify Belle getting in by saying how dominant he was and that alone is the basis for his acceptance. No one is debating he wasnt a dominant hitter.

So you also must believe Mo Vaughn is a HOF'er too, right?

Your point is either unclear or, as in my view, completely wrong.

No, like Mattingly, Mo Vaughn was an elite hitter for a shorter period of time as well and was steadily declining after a 4 or 5 year peak.

 

[HPC]

Your point is either unclear or, as in my view, completely wrong.

No, like Mattingly, Mo Vaughn was an elite hitter for a shorter period of time as well and was steadily declining after a 4 or 5 year peak.

Uh, Vaughn and Belle's season averages are almost identical bro

Vaughn (12yrs) - 162games, 174hits, .293ba, 35hr, 114rbi, .906ops
Belle (10yrs) - 162games, 182hits, .295ba, 40hr, 130rbi, .933ops

Based on your argument that Belle should be allowed in because he was a dominant hitter during the 90's, Vaughn should no doubt be in the HOF right next to him.

Plus, you say my pov is wrong? Apparently not, since 53 other people polled agree with me compared to the 13 others who agree with you.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Uh, Vaughn and Belle's season averages are almost identical bro

Vaughn (12yrs) - 162games, 174hits, .293ba, 35hr, 114rbi, .906ops
Belle (10yrs) - 162games, 182hits, .295ba, 40hr, 130rbi, .933ops

Based on your argument that Belle should be allowed in because he was a dominant hitter during the 90's, Vaughn should no doubt be in the HOF right next to him.

Plus, you say my pov is wrong? Apparently not, since 53 other people polled agree with me compared to the 13 others who agree with you.

Not sure where you got Mo from, he wasn't nearly as dominant.
Mo:

Black Ink	Batting - 4 (423), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray Ink	Batting - 78 (312), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor	Batting - 86 (204), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards	Batting - 30 (315), Average HOFer ≈ 50

Belle:

Black Ink	Batting - 28 (64), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray Ink	Batting - 137 (122), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor	Batting - 135 (98), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards	Batting - 36 (200), Average HOFer ≈ 50

 

[MansGame]

Not sure where you got Mo from, he wasn't nearly as dominant.
Mo:

Black Ink	Batting - 4 (423), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray Ink	Batting - 78 (312), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor	Batting - 86 (204), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards	Batting - 30 (315), Average HOFer ≈ 50

Belle:

Black Ink	Batting - 28 (64), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray Ink	Batting - 137 (122), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor	Batting - 135 (98), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards	Batting - 36 (200), Average HOFer ≈ 50

 

[nosterbor]

^^ I need to find out what the colums are for these numbers... where did you pull this from?

This is the best site for baseball hands down. enjoy.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/belleal01.shtml
at the top right just put in any players name.

 

[MansGame]

This is the best site for baseball hands down. enjoy.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/belleal01.shtml
at the top right just put in any players name.

Wow... This is pretty impressive... So if I'm reading this right, Belle averaged better than a 40/40, over 182 hits, 130 RBIs, nearly .300 batting average (.295), on and on and on... stats are pretty good if you ask me...

I think others have said this but if you blind dropped his average stats next to a lot of others and you didn't know the player behind them, you'd probably say "yea HOFer" or "HOF type numbers"... just sayin'

A lot of really good comments though... entertaining.

 

[MansGame]

Also, does anyone know the rules when it comes to him even being able to get in at this point? Like when you fall off the ballot, does that mean you're done? I think I read somewhere in 2021 (20 years after he retired) that he can be up for it again? Just curious... not counting the days, trust me

 

[markakis8]

Uh, Vaughn and Belle's season averages are almost identical bro

Vaughn (12yrs) - 162games, 174hits, .293ba, 35hr, 114rbi, .906ops
Belle (10yrs) - 162games, 182hits, .295ba, 40hr, 130rbi, .933ops

Based on your argument that Belle should be allowed in because he was a dominant hitter during the 90's, Vaughn should no doubt be in the HOF right next to him.

Plus, you say my pov is wrong? Apparently not, since 53 other people polled agree with me compared to the 13 others who agree with you.

Geez dude, just look at Vaughn's career and look at Belle's. You seem like a smart guy. I'm sure you can see the difference.