Should Albert Belle be in the HOF?

[mlbsalltimegreats]

I said no and some for the same reasons as others have said no but if you look at his stats year by year Albert Belle Did not have 10 Great season he has 6 and the other 4 were good. The first 2 look to be injury seasons? Sure if you look at the 10 year average it looks great but look at the year by year you then understand why he is and will not be a hofer. In 1991 he has 28hr 95rbi and batted .282 but also walked 25 times but stuckout 99 times still a good year but not great, in 1992 he had 34hr and 112rbi which is very good but he batted .260 with 52 walks and 152 strikeouts (Ouch) again good year but not great. Basically the same for 1997 and 2000 they were good years but not great compared to his other 6 years. I love the collection mansgame but albert wont get in unfortunatley. Besided that as much as you would love to see him in its saving your pockets that he is not, Im sure its bad enough competing with Belle collector, now add in Hofer collectors and the wallet will get much smaller :lol:

 

[HPC]

No point in trying to debate with the Belle homers of the board.

His overall career numbers are nowhere near HOF worthy and they base the arguement that he should be in on his season averages from 1989 to 2000.

 

[sportscardtheory]

No point in trying to debate with the Belle homers of the board.

His overall career numbers are nowhere near HOF worthy and they base the arguement that he should be in on his season averages from 1989 to 2000.

No point in trying to debate with people who call people they have a difference of opinion with "homers".

 

[HPC]

No point in trying to debate with people who call people they have a difference of opinion with "homers".

Child please.

Trying to make me look like a bad guy for calling superfans "homers".

It's a regular sports term.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Child please.

Trying to make me look like a bad guy for calling superfans "homers".

It's a regular sports term.

I don't need to try to make you look like a bad guy.

 

[HPC]

I don't need to try to make you look like a bad guy.

There are no bad guys in this thread.

Just people who think Albert Belle is a Hall of Famer, and more who don't think so.

 

[sportscardtheory]

There are no bad guys in this thread.

Just people who think Albert Belle is a Hall of Famer, and more who don't think so.

I'm fine with him not being a HOFer, but I also can see where his supporters are coming from. The guy was an absolute beast, very comparable to Jim Rice (a HOFer), if not better.

 

[HPC]

Frow already covered the Rice comparison better than I could have

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

No point in trying to debate with the Belle homers of the board.

His overall career numbers are nowhere near HOF worthy and they base the arguement that he should be in on his season averages from 1989 to 2000.

?

Black Ink	Batting - 28 (64), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray Ink	Batting - 137 (122), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor	Batting - 135 (98), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards	Batting - 36 (200), Average HOFer ≈ 50

 

[Frow]

?

Black Ink	Batting - 28 (64), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray Ink	Batting - 137 (122), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor	Batting - 135 (98), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards	Batting - 36 (200), Average HOFer ≈ 50

Jim Rice
Black InkBatting - 33 (50), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray InkBatting - 176 (58), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame MonitorBatting - 146 (91), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame StandardsBatting - 43 (128), Average HOFer ≈ 50


It is kind of funny, even on the HOF monitor Albert Belle still isn't even the best player on his own team for several of the lists

 

[sportscardtheory]

Jim Rice
Black InkBatting - 33 (50), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray InkBatting - 176 (58), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame MonitorBatting - 146 (91), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame StandardsBatting - 43 (128), Average HOFer ≈ 50


It is kind of funny, even on the HOF monitor Albert Belle still isn't even the best player on his own team for several of the lists

It's a given that Rice will have higher Bill James numbers, he played in 550 more games and had 2,382 more plate appearances. That said, the fact that Belle is even as close as he is to Rice in those numbers is quite remarkable.

 

[Frow]

It's a given that Rice will have higher Bill James numbers, he played in 550 more games and had 2,382 more plate appearances. That said, the fact that Belle is even as close as he is to Rice in those numbers is quite remarkable.

It depends on your definition of "close" and if we are considering this made up calculation for an immeasurable stat as the end all be all of HOF calculations then being below a guy that spent 14 years before getting voted into the Hall isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Jim Rice
Black InkBatting - 33 (50), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray InkBatting - 176 (58), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame MonitorBatting - 146 (91), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame StandardsBatting - 43 (128), Average HOFer ≈ 50


It is kind of funny, even on the HOF monitor Albert Belle still isn't even the best player on his own team for several of the lists

Lou Gehrig, Eddie Mathews and a bunch of other guys weren't the best player of their teams either!

 

[sportscardtheory]

It depends on your definition of "close" and if we are considering this made up calculation for an immeasurable stat as the end all be all of HOF calculations then being below a guy that spent 14 years before getting voted into the Hall isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.

If you don't think the numbers mean all that much, why are you posting Jim Rice's. And I am not really saying that Albert Belle SHOULD be in the Hall of Fame. I'm saying that he was better than people give him credit for and he is close to or better than a handful of HOFers. I'm saying that I don't think it's a crazy notion to think this guy at least should still be on the ballot, especially with no links or ties to PEDs.

 

[Frow]

If you don't think the numbers mean all that much, why are you posting Jim Rice's. And clearly I am not saying that Albert Belle should be in the Hall of Fame. I'm saying that he was better than people give him credit for and he is close to or better than a handful of HOFers. I'm saying that I don't think it's a crazy notion to think this guy at least should still be on the ballot, especially with no links or ties to PEDs.

Why is not knowing if we took PEDs significant at all? We already have known cheaters in the HOF, hell Pud McGalvin injected himself with animal ball juice.

I simply posted it because you mentioned that he was better than Rice and used this stat as proof that he's super awesome, so same stat from the guy that is inferior showing higher numbers across the board, but I mean you're fine with him not being a HOFer so no need to constantly bump this same topic with every tiny counter point a person could possibly think of in favor of him...right?

 

[sportscardtheory]

Why is not knowing if we took PEDs significant at all? We already have known cheaters in the HOF, hell Pud McGalvin injected himself with animal ball juice.

I simply posted it because you mentioned that he was better than Rice and used this stat as proof that he's super awesome, so same stat from the guy that is inferior showing higher numbers across the board, but I mean you're fine with him not being a HOFer so no need to constantly bump this same topic with every tiny counter point a person could possibly think of in favor of him...right?

Just discussing the topic at-hand. That alright, dude? Let us know what's okay to discuss for future consideration.

And show me where I ever said flat-out that Belle is better than Rice.

P.S. I also never once mentioned the Bill James numbers. That's all you. You brought them up in support of Rice over Belle, yet you are the one trashing them.

 

[Frow]

Settle down Susie, it's just funny someone that doesn't care if he is or isn't in has done nothing but rally his cause.

Second, you said The guy was an absolute beast, very comparable to Jim Rice (a HOFer), if not better. I wasn't saying you absolutely believed it, you mentioned the possibility and I posted Rice's monitors that showed significantly higher on every single one to go along with my previous post showing higher individual stats as well..

Also, post #109 you put up Belle's Hall Of Fame monitor numbers so yea...you brought up Bill Jame's numbers so I'm not sure what kind of crack you're smoking but it must be excellent.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Settle down Susie, it's just funny someone that doesn't care if he is or isn't in has done nothing but rally his cause.

Second, you said The guy was an absolute beast, very comparable to Jim Rice (a HOFer), if not better. I wasn't saying you absolutely believed it, you mentioned the possibility and I posted Rice's monitors that showed significantly higher on every single one to go along with my previous post showing higher individual stats as well..

Also, post #109 you put up Belle's Hall Of Fame monitor numbers so yea...you brought up Bill Jame's numbers so I'm not sure what kind of crack you're smoking but it must be excellent.

Rally his cause? I didn't even vote for him. lol I'm simply making points about why I don't think it's such a crazy notion.

Rice's Bill James stats (the ones you deemed a "made up calculation for an immeasurable stat") are SIGNIFICANTLY higher than Belle's, huh.

I'm uniquebaseballcards? I think it's you who needs to lay off the crack pipe.

 

[RiceLynnEvans75]

I don't understand the point in comparing players to other HOFers as a qualification for induction, especially when many people feel that the HOF is watered down anyway, why would you want it watered down even more?

I almost feel like people want to reward players the way people do with kids these days, "Everyone gets a trophy!".

 

[sportscardtheory]

I don't understand the point in comparing players to other HOFers as a qualification for induction, especially when many people feel that the HOF is watered down anyway, why would you want it watered down even more?

I almost feel like people want to reward players the way people do with kids these days, "Everyone gets a trophy!".

It was simply brought up that they have similar Bill James numbers. It's really that simple. No one is saying he's better than Jim Rice. No one is saying Belle is Jimmie Foxx. It's as simple as pointing out some facts and stats. It's called discussion. I don't understand why people get so emo and bent out of shape about stuff that doesn't even matter. People can't even just talk to each other anymore without someone getting their precious feelings hurt because someone may disagree with them. Keep in mind, this isn't directed at you.