sneak preview.... 2011 LEAF VALIANT ICHIRO ON-CARD AUTOGRAPH

[bballcardkid]

Not to repeat the same viewpoint that has been rehashed in the past 8 pages, but I don't see how this is any different than what Topps has done with some of their sets. If people are upset about this, then they are really going to be upset when Leaf unveils their 1948 and 1990 retro sets.

I say give them some time. Brian has proven that he can produce a quality product using his own designs and concepts. His baseball experience is only in it's infancy, and so far he has hit a home run with the limited offerings that have been anounced in both Metal (his own design), and the Rose product coming out (again his own). Both products look to be superior than anything Topps has put out in quite some time. I'm willing to bet that those won't be the last quality, original sets that BG has to offer to the baseball market. Now if only he could acuire a license or two...

 

[Wes]

Brian's company is Leaf. To view Leaf now using older Leaf styles and similar styles in a negative light is just plain asinine. It's ridiculous. Leaf was bought for the name and they have every right to use retro Leaf styles, they PAID for it. I can't understand for the life of me why this is an issue for some people. It's completely petty and absurd for this to even be an issue.

Once again, read what I wrote. I have no problem with him using what he paid for. He has every right to use the name/design/whatever of the Leaf brand.

My problem isn't with Brian/Leaf, it's the blind praise given to him by people on this board for everything he does.

If he puts out a new set of his own, and it's good, then so be it. I'd probably buy some.

If he puts out a rehashed set of someone else's previous work and calls it his own, then that's exactly what it is, and shouldn't be praised like the second coming of baseball cards.

That's happened.

 

[matchpenalty]

Great stuff. Awesome to get some MORE iCHIRO CERTS ON THE MARKET. Autos look awesome on those cards.

 

[cgilmo]

Why are you so emotional over this? Why do you care? If some people like this, so be it, let them like it. To continually keep ripping on it makes it sound like you've got a personal vendetta against Leaf.

If people would actually read what is written, instead of what is locked in their head, it would be wonderful.

I said, I have no problem with Brian or Leaf. I was looking forward to his new sets. Then they show up, and they are just rehashed designs of old stuff that's been done.

I know people will buy it. That's fine. I will buy something of his too, when he comes out with something of his own doing.

My problem is with the blind praise thrown around by the sheep on this board for someone who hasn't proven anything in the BASEBALL CARD market yet.

bolded is evidence that you don't read threads on this board


He gets hammered in nearly every thread he starts, and still comes back and contributes to the community. What have you contributed?

If you call this website your "home" for sports cards on the internet, then you HAVE to admire Brian for his contribution here.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Why do people get so bent out of shape whenever Brian/Leaf/Razor is involved. lol It's like they go out of their way to be grumpy, snarky, piss-pots. You don't like the design as much as the '98 Crusades. So what. I mean really. SO WHAT. The pessimism is just SO very needless. ::facepalm::

so is your ****** attitude about EVERYTHING

I gave MY opinion. I don't give a **** about yours, and don't care how you feel about mine.

Thank you for your time

Everything, huh? lol Complete ********, but go ahead and keep making stuff up. It suits you perfectly. :lol:

 

[Leaf]

how is that working out for him 98% of the time? all the threads end the same way. 1/2 bashing 1/2 fluffing... there is a reason the other companies stay back. its not because they hate their customers or because they dont value us... its because they know not much good comes from it.

If the only two options for a card company representative with respect to FCB are - 1) post and get bashed/praised while accepting suggestions for future products or 2) don't post, get bashed/praised anyway and not listen to suggestions, I'll take Option # 1.

Maybe I'm the minority.

Fair enough. The beauty is your money your collection.

In my opinion celebrating a new product that is someone elses concept isnt something I do. Either way have a delightful weekend.

I am still laughing.... design similarirites hardly constitute a complete concept.

Lets review valiant to see where it is similar to cursades:

1: design: YES (DESIGNS ARE SIMILAR)
2: technology: NO (this is a new technology to make the card)
3: subject matter: NO (PROSPECT THEMED VS. MLB)
4: autographs: NO (valiant is signed, crusades never were)
5: insertion: NO (valiant IS the core card, crusades is an insert)

In my view deign is where the similarities stop, points #2-5 bring home why this item was necessary, welcomed and exciting.
BG

 

[TwinGnats]

Is it a new concept, no. Last time they did a new concept it came out looking like junk. So maybe it's good to just not take any more risks.

That being said, I never understood the desire for Crusades. I was in college when they came out which was my hiatus in collecting. They look ok but they're nothing like Topps Embossed which was awesome.

 

[jrinne]

I don't understand why people feel the need to constantly bash. Then again these are also the same people who feel like everyone should hear their 2 cents no matter what. If you don't like it just say "its not for me". I get the feeling that the majority of the people bashing are the same ones who wish they could be doing what Brian has started. I think the cards look pretty neat, will I buy any, probably not. I guess I don't take this hobby serious enough to care because I cant imagine letting myself get worked up over something I have no interest in.

 

[Leaf]

Is it a new concept, no. Last time they did a new concept it came out looking like junk. So maybe it's good to just not take any more risks.

That being said, I never understood the desire for Crusades. I was in college when they came out which was my hiatus in collecting. They look ok but they're nothing like Topps Embossed which was awesome.

Might I implore you to read the post right above yours? I point out that the ONLY similarity is design. Surely concept is not only = design?

Really, Topps Embossed is better lookiing than Crusades???????
The above statement is proof you are in the minority... BG

 

[Krom]

I am still laughing.... design similarirites hardly constitute a complete concept.

Lets review valiant to see where it is similar to cursades:

1: design: YES (DESIGNS ARE SIMILAR)
2: technology: NO (this is a new technology to make the card)
3: subject matter: NO (PROSPECT THEMED VS. MLB)
4: autographs: NO (valiant is signed, crusades never were)
5: insertion: NO (valiant IS the core card, crusades is an insert)

In my view deign is where the similarities stop, points #2-5 bring home why this item was necessary, welcomed and exciting.
BG

1 similar? its the same card with an autograph.
You should have added they were printed in a different location.
I was very excited by the Ichiro auto and am disappointed with the cards they are on.
With that said I hope you do well with them, it will be interesting to see how they do on the secondary market.

 

[George_Calfas]

I am still laughing.... design similarirites hardly constitute a complete concept.

Lets review valiant to see where it is similar to cursades:

1: design: YES (DESIGNS ARE SIMILAR)
2: technology: NO (this is a new technology to make the card)
3: subject matter: NO (PROSPECT THEMED VS. MLB)
4: autographs: NO (valiant is signed, crusades never were)
5: insertion: NO (valiant IS the core card, crusades is an insert)
In my view deign is where the similarities stop, points #2-5 bring home why this item was necessary, welcomed and exciting.
BG

BG, 1 and 2 are core concepts while 3-5 are subsidiary to production. It does not matter if Donruss had Crusade autos or not, the fact is the new Leaf offering looks like Crusades. What if Topps produced a product similar to Razor Metal. What would be your or the collecting communities comments?

It appears that Leaf has viewed the recent Crusade success on the secondary market and is attempting to hitch the wagon to it.

I have ordered a couple of boxes, I look forward to the break, and I look forward to seeing Leaf designs in future Leaf products.

 

[notjomommasclint]

I agree concept was not a proper choice of words. However to say these cards are similar is probably the understatement of a lifetime. The technology, market, and autographs with a design you didnt create isn't an item that excites me. Its just my opinion but it's the only one I care about.

 

[yclipper21]

No negative comments from me. Love everything about about it. Definitely going to buy some. On card auto's, love the design regardless if it's similar, the checklist is solid, and Ichiro! Gotta give Brian credit that he is an active member of our community asking for our opinions and using this tool as a sounding board. How many companies are actively asking for our opinions? Do you think Topps cares what we think? As I buy baseball products like platinum baseball that wasn't worth the cardboard it was printed on. Checklist changed before release, and we all still buy. Lineage which was sheer garbage, and yup bought some too. Football like panini timeless treasures that the product was thrown together in a week at nearly a 100 a tin. Oh yeah it was thrown together in a week! Brian don't know you at all, but your a breath of fresh air to the hobby,and thank you for giving us an opportunity to sound off on doing what many of us would love to do for a living.

 

[sneekc]

Miggy,

It is not just a design issue. This is a technology... To recreate this "finish" and "feel" is very difficult.

As someone who actually makes cards, trust me... Its technology ..
BG

Ps- design is only a tiny piece of the puzzle..

Brian,
Are these printed 4 color process and utilize a cold foil equipped press? Maybe with a mirafoil coating?
Printed in the USA? Just curious.

for anyone curious, this is technology of printing at it's finest. These kinds of projects don't get more complicated.

 

[Leaf]

Miggy,

It is not just a design issue. This is a technology... To recreate this "finish" and "feel" is very difficult.

As someone who actually makes cards, trust me... Its technology ..
BG

Ps- design is only a tiny piece of the puzzle..

Brian,
Are these printed 4 color process and utilize a cold foil equipped press? Maybe with a mirafoil coating?
Printed in the USA? Just curious.

for anyone curious, this is technology of printing at it's finest. These kinds of projects don't get more complicated.

Actually, no..... None of the trading card printing companies (and we checked with 8 different vendors) could do what was done to make crusades... The technology waa from a printer in England who no longer exists...

It is a heavily glossed and heavily etched variation on Metal... There was no other way to get this close to the original feel.. BG

p.s.- thanks for the question though.. I will show the printer and see what feedback on your suggestion...

 

[ChasHawk]

You know what would be awesome?

For everyone(BG included)to just realize that some people have dissenting opinions, and for everyone to not get in a twist about it when it happens.

I think this product is a hack-job money grab.

Is that going to stop BG from making it? Obviously not since its already made.

Is that going to stop people from buying it? I'll bet its already sold out.

So why does it matter SO DAMN MUCH if some people don't like it?

Let it be

 

[ChasHawk]

Why do people get so bent out of shape whenever Brian/Leaf/Razor is involved. lol It's like they go out of their way to be grumpy, snarky, piss-pots. You don't like the design as much as the '98 Crusades. So what. I mean really. SO WHAT. The pessimism is just SO very needless. ::facepalm::

so is your ****** attitude about EVERYTHING

I gave MY opinion. I don't give a **** about yours, and don't care how you feel about mine.

Thank you for your time

Everything, huh? lol Complete ********, but go ahead and keep making stuff up. It suits you perfectly. :lol:

deflect much?

 

[sportscardtheory]

Why do people get so bent out of shape whenever Brian/Leaf/Razor is involved. lol It's like they go out of their way to be grumpy, snarky, piss-pots. You don't like the design as much as the '98 Crusades. So what. I mean really. SO WHAT. The pessimism is just SO very needless. ::facepalm::

so is your ****** attitude about EVERYTHING

I gave MY opinion. I don't give a **** about yours, and don't care how you feel about mine.

Thank you for your time

Everything, huh? lol Complete ********, but go ahead and keep making stuff up. It suits you perfectly. :lol:

deflect much?

What am I "deflecting"? lol You made a ridiculous accusation and I explained that it's BS. Keep making **** up.

 

[sportscardtheory]

You know what would be awesome?

For everyone(BG included)to just realize that some people have dissenting opinions, and for everyone to not get in a twist about it when it happens.

I think this product is a hack-job money grab.

Is that going to stop BG from making it? Obviously not since its already made.

Is that going to stop people from buying it? I'll bet its already sold out.

So why does it matter SO DAMN MUCH if some people don't like it?

Let it be

EVERY post you make is crying, bitching, moaning or whining.

 

[ChasHawk]

Were you just hitting F5 and waiting for me to post?

:lol: :lol: