So far who is your NL and AL ROY

[thefasterblade]

Who gives a crap about Gerrardo Parra and his AAA ABs.

 

[EricInCT]

Who gives a crap about Gerrardo Parra and his AAA ABs.

What in god's name are you talking about? :?

 

[masonphillip]

I just did a bit of research......Do you folks realize that we are annointing Andrew McCutchen and Hanson as the NL rookie of the Year........What about Gerardo Parra?

He has better numbers (more at bats, but if they took that in consideration all the call-ups batting .400 for a month would win) and more impressively has 0 at bats in triple-A ball. McCutchen has had 700 plate appearances in AAA and Parra has 0.

He has more homers, RBIs, and triples than McCutchen does.

Well the AAA thing although interesting, doesn't come into consideration in the voting.

They are tied for triples with 5.

Some of the other statistics such as RBIs where Parra leads McCutchen is simply because Parra has played in 15 more games (40) compared to McCutchen (25).

McCutchen has 18 RBIs in 25 games, or .72/game
Parra has 24 RBIs in 40 games or .6/game


As far as other statistics go, McCutchen's OPS is 75 points higher and his BA is 27 points higher.

Of total hits 31.7% of Parra's are for XBs, whereas 32.2% of McCutchens are, so they are nearly in a dead heat. The only area I would give long term edge to Parra is HRs, he will likely stay ahead there.

As far as intangibles go I give McCutchen the edge, he has a lot of the speed/excitement factor going for him, being in top plays regularly etc.

To me right now the vote would go McCutchen's way if it were just him and Parra, it is harder to tell with Hanson in the mix though.

 

[EricInCT]

I just did a bit of research......Do you folks realize that we are annointing Andrew McCutchen and Hanson as the NL rookie of the Year........What about Gerardo Parra?

He has better numbers (more at bats, but if they took that in consideration all the call-ups batting .400 for a month would win) and more impressively has 0 at bats in triple-A ball. McCutchen has had 700 plate appearances in AAA and Parra has 0.

He has more homers, RBIs, and triples than McCutchen does.

Well the AAA thing although interesting, doesn't come into consideration in the voting.

They are tied for triples with 5.

Some of the other statistics such as RBIs where Parra leads McCutchen is simply because Parra has played in 15 more games (40) compared to McCutchen (25).

McCutchen has 18 RBIs in 25 games, or .72/game
Parra has 24 RBIs in 40 games or .6/game


As far as other statistics go, McCutchen's OPS is 75 points higher and his BA is 27 points higher.

Of total hits 31.7% of Parra's are for XBs, whereas 32.2% of McCutchens are, so they are nearly in a dead heat. The only area I would give long term edge to Parra is HRs, he will likely stay ahead there.

As far as intangibles go I give McCutchen the edge, he has a lot of the speed/excitement factor going for him, being in top plays regularly etc.

To me right now the vote would go McCutchen's way if it were just him and Parra, it is harder to tell with Hanson in the mix though.

I realize about the AAA stats for both, I was just making a point that he jumped from AA to the majors..........he was red hot out of the gate and cooled down, that is another point I was making too. He was getting on base more and had a higher batting average two weeks ago, who knows if McCutchen can maintain his pace, but the numbers across the board are similar yet he is not mentioned.

I would give it to McCutchen too.....however, the gap in RBIs might be dramatic with Parra hitting behind Reynolds versus leading off.

 

[masonphillip]

I just did a bit of research......Do you folks realize that we are annointing Andrew McCutchen and Hanson as the NL rookie of the Year........What about Gerardo Parra?

He has better numbers (more at bats, but if they took that in consideration all the call-ups batting .400 for a month would win) and more impressively has 0 at bats in triple-A ball. McCutchen has had 700 plate appearances in AAA and Parra has 0.

He has more homers, RBIs, and triples than McCutchen does.

Well the AAA thing although interesting, doesn't come into consideration in the voting.

They are tied for triples with 5.

Some of the other statistics such as RBIs where Parra leads McCutchen is simply because Parra has played in 15 more games (40) compared to McCutchen (25).

McCutchen has 18 RBIs in 25 games, or .72/game
Parra has 24 RBIs in 40 games or .6/game


As far as other statistics go, McCutchen's OPS is 75 points higher and his BA is 27 points higher.

Of total hits 31.7% of Parra's are for XBs, whereas 32.2% of McCutchens are, so they are nearly in a dead heat. The only area I would give long term edge to Parra is HRs, he will likely stay ahead there.

As far as intangibles go I give McCutchen the edge, he has a lot of the speed/excitement factor going for him, being in top plays regularly etc.

To me right now the vote would go McCutchen's way if it were just him and Parra, it is harder to tell with Hanson in the mix though.

I realize about the AAA stats for both, I was just making a point that he jumped from AA to the majors..........he was red hot out of the gate and cooled down, that is another point I was making too. He was getting on base more and had a higher batting average two weeks ago, who knows if McCutchen can maintain his pace, but the numbers across the board are similar yet he is not mentioned.

I would give it to McCutchen too.....however, the gap in RBIs might be dramatic with Parra hitting behind Reynolds versus leading off.

You are right, it is impressive to skip AAA all together and do what Parra has done. The hot start was nice too but again from a voting perspective, no points in his favor for either.

The stats are close right now but being that McCutchen is 15 games behind right now as far as playing time he'll easily make up the gaps where they exist.

I'm not sure on RBIs, McCutchen's hitting has been very timely, if he keeps that up I think he'll have more at the end of the season.

 

[thefasterblade]

Who gives a crap about Gerrardo Parra and his AAA ABs.

What in god's name are you talking about? :?

That no voters give a **** that McCutchen had 700 AAA ABs and Parra 0.

 

[EricInCT]

Who gives a crap about Gerrardo Parra and his AAA ABs.

What in god's name are you talking about? :?

That no voters give a shat that McCutchen had 700 AAA ABs and Parra 0.

It was a statement and has nothing to do with the voting. If you want to go one step further, Parra has 300 at bats above a ball and McCutchen has 1500 at bats. I was just pointing out what he has accomplished is very impressive.

McCutchen is 1 for 18 with 4Ks his last 5 games so the race may be closer than people think.

 

[Bowman Chromie]

AL: Ricky Romero
NL: Andrew McCutchen

 

[jarcar]

AL: Ricky Romero
NL: Andrew McCutchen

Romero has been on fire his last 3 starts and Wednesday's start was awesome again.

 

[All The Hype]

AL: Brad Bergesen

NL: Tommy Hanson


No one with a bat has impressed me in the AL, porcello will fade as his innings increase....after tonight he will be 9-5 with a 3.90 ERA....the alarming part is that he doesn't strike anyone out for being a touted as a strike out pitcher. Porcello only managed to go 4 1/3 tonight and not even allowed to break 80 pitches.....playing half the game you better #1) score early and often #2) shut out your opponent. It will be hard for him to win more than 15 games.

Brad Bergesen if he can win against Beckett (tough task) would be 6-2 and have a sub 4.00 ERA. He has allowed 9 ER his last 45 innings pitched and has gone 7,8,9 innings consistently.

Bergesen has allowed 2 runs or less in 5 of his last 6 starts. The only time he allowed more than 2 was when the inherited runners scored on a 3-run HR.

I have compared the numbers for Bergesen and Porcello and they are mirror images of one another.

Porcello isn't a strikeout pitcher. He didn't strikeout many guys in the minors and he hasn't struck out many guys in the majors. That's because he's not a strikeout pitcher...yet. He throws sinkinging two seamers for about 85% of his pitches and it is effective because the late break is hard to hit solidly. He induces groundballs and generally is able to avoid lengthy at bats because of this.

You say that Bergesen's and Porcello's numbers "mirror" each other, and while their numbers are similar, Porcello has more wins and also posted a 5-win month in May. Even if Bergesen SHOULD have more wins than he does, the bottom line is that he doesn't, so if all their numbers were exactly even at the end of the year, but Porcello had three more victories, obviously he would win the award.

Regardless, Bergesen has been very tough this year.

Here is what I see:

Porcello has pitched 9 innings last two games going 0-1 with 7 ER and 6 walks against the White Sox and the As......his one game against the Red Sox,Yanks,Tor 0-3; 9.00 ERA he took the loss and got roughed up.......He has pitched 83 innings so far this year.........he pitched 125 last year.....he is a Boras client......he MAY pitch another 50-60 innings.....let's be fair and say 70 more innings this year.

He has played 15 games thus far.

Let's say he gets in 15 more games:

He has an average of 4 2/3 per start.

#1) that won't qualify for a win (like last night's game)
#2) In the first five frames the Tigers have to score runs
#3) In the first five frames the opposition has to score less runs
#4) the bullpen has to prevent the game from being tied.


What do you think....9-6 over the 15? Well, no....because 3-4 will be no decisions in all likelyhood.........7-5?

So he will finish hypothetically 15-10, 16-10 or 16-11.



Bergesen has 2 less starts and 3 less losses than Porcello. The difference is that he will be pitching in the 6th and 7th innings or later and when the offense gets into the opposing teams bullpen he will go from a no-decision to a win. Now, he could give up 9 runs to the red sox tomorrow afternoon, but I like his chances as a dark horse to surpass Porcello if he continues to struggle. The AL rookie class is WEAK.

I just don't think you are right that Porcello is going to only get 70 more innings this season. He is a major leaguer, no matter how old he is. Do you think that even last year and all is career he has flat out stopped throwing once the season ends? Hell no, you have to pitch basically year round to be as good as Porcello or any professional pitcher is. So while he may not have pitched as long of a season as MLB before, it's not like he didn't pick up a baseball during the offseason.

Hope you understand what I'm saying... although they are going easy on him, I just don't think they are putting a number on his innings this year. They are simply playing it by ear and seeing how he does and acting appropriately to make sure he remains healthy and strong all year.

I also don't understand where your argument of 4 and 2/3 innings coming from. He has pitched 7 innings a number of times this year. Why is he all of a sudden getting cutoff at 4.2?

Your 1-4 points are meaningless, because those have to happen in order for ANY pitcher to get a victory.

And you also are arguing against Porcello based on two starts this season (his last two). While he hasn't been especially sharp during those starts, the ROY awards are based on the entire season rather than a stretch of the season. Porcello was great during May but does that alone make him the ROY? He'll need to get back on track if he is going to win the award, but let's just remember that it's still the first half of the season and a lot can still happen. He might not even be in the running by the end of the year. Who knows.

 

[craw_song]

If Hanson should falter, I would have to believe that Colby Rasmus should be in the mix for NL ROY, he leads NL rookies in almost every offensive stat, and is also valuable defensively (and contributing on a solid team is always a bonus).

He is batting .265....Can't imagine that his average is leading anything

Actually, he does lead all NL rookies in batting average currently (among those who have enough ABs to qualify for official offensive stat categories). McCutchen has a higher BA, but also has about half as many ABs as Rasmus. I don't think McCutchen will even be in the ROY conversation by the end of the year...he's a nice player, but from what I've seen him do in the minors, I just don't see him becoming anything more than a decent regular, but that's just my opinion.

 

[DetroitTigers]

AL Rookie Of The Year so far is going to be between Porcello and Romero.