So, MLB is pruposely shunning Ryan Braun, right?

[Krom]

OJ Simpson was also found "innocent" of murdering two people.

Not in the civil trial.

 

[Jeff D]

While I'm fairly skeptical of Braun's actual "innocence" I don't think most people understand WHY chain of custody matters. It's not a technicality, it's a legitimate reason to question results.

In an interview with a doctor I heard during the leaks, the severely high levels of his testosteron results were not even typical of someone using supplements. Given the length of time from his previous clean test, he said that it would be virtually impossible to have those levels of testosterone present in his sample. This particular doctor was of the opinion it was more indicative of something being added directly to the sample.

While far fetched and not likely, is it outside the realm of imagination that someone tampered with his sample? Removing this possibility is why chain of custody matters, and is not just a loophole.

From my (Brewer fan) perspective, he was found innocent and until something is revealed to change that, I've moved on.

 

[homerun28aa]

While I'm fairly skeptical of Braun's actual "innocence" I don't think most people understand WHY chain of custody matters. It's not a technicality, it's a legitimate reason to question results.

In an interview with a doctor I heard during the leaks, the severely high levels of his testosteron results were not even typical of someone using supplements. Given the length of time from his previous clean test, he said that it would be virtually impossible to have those levels of testosterone present in his sample. This particular doctor was of the opinion it was more indicative of something being added directly to the sample.

While far fetched and not likely, is it outside the realm of imagination that someone tampered with his sample? Removing this possibility is why chain of custody matters, and is not just a loophole.

From my (Brewer fan) perspective, he was found innocent and until something is revealed to change that, I've moved on.

My feelings on the chain of custody are that it really is quite close to being absolutely out of the realm of possibility. The way I see it is if I was in this situation, I would be going ballistic. I'd be very public about my innocence I'd even go so far as to take a lie detector test that was televised or something of that magnitude, maybe you feel that's very extreme, but something that would clear my name. Braun was hiding behind several lawyers and after he was found innocent, he read a speech from a piece of paper with no emotion, similar to how Tiger issued a statement after his scandal when he didn't take questions. Also, I remember hearing he was filing some lawsuit but I didn't keep following it so I don't know what's going on with that, but I would have filed multiple lawsuits and got to the bottom of it. His actions, or lack of, and attitudes during the process when coupled with just how unlikely the chain of custody argument is make me believe he dodged a bullet.

 

[marterburn]

My feelings on the chain of custody are that it really is quite close to being absolutely out of the realm of possibility. The way I see it is if I was in this situation, I would be going ballistic. I'd be very public about my innocence I'd even go so far as to take a lie detector test that was televised or something of that magnitude, maybe you feel that's very extreme, but something that would clear my name. Braun was hiding behind several lawyers and after he was found innocent, he read a speech from a piece of paper with no emotion, similar to how Tiger issued a statement after his scandal when he didn't take questions. Also, I remember hearing he was filing some lawsuit but I didn't keep following it so I don't know what's going on with that, but I would have filed multiple lawsuits and got to the bottom of it. His actions, or lack of, and attitudes during the process when coupled with just how unlikely the chain of custody argument is make me believe he dodged a bullet.

I basically feel the same as Jeff D, if my initial post didn't quite convey that.

Braun's not the type to go ballistic, but he did initially tweet "It's BS" if I remember correctly. Then he hid behind lawyers and the figured out the best course of action to take, which was the chain of custody argument. After he was 'exonerated' he had no reason to explain anything else publicly, at the behest of his lawyers I'm sure.

We all want to know exactly what happened and why the result came in the way it did, and Braun seems to know why, but I don't think we ever will with certainty.

My feeling, and it's just a feeling, deep down is that Braun screwed up and violated the MLB policy, but not by doing anything most people would consider taking PEDs. If that's the case then it would explain why he can't say anything at this point.

 

[phillyfan0417]

People keep focusing on the chain of custody aspect but the simple fact is that was the only way it was going to be reversed. Even if Braun and his team knew the test was BS, he failed the test so it only left a technicality to contest.

Unless Ryan Braun is once again cheating, its hard to argue that PED's were the reason behind his MVP season.

 

[thefatguy]

Unless Ryan Braun is once again cheating, its hard to argue that PED's were the reason behind his MVP season.

False argument.
PEDs don't necessarily make you hit the ball farther.
They will help you recover faster over the grind of 162 games.
A pitcher like Pettite used HGH for recovery, not velocity.
Let's look at his numbers over the final 2 mos of the season this year and compare to last year before we can ignore the what the cheater did.

 

[LazerShow15]

Wow, sour grapes the guy got off, made MLB look stupid, of course they are going to not show him in the ads, until this dies down, he won't be. Does it suck, yes, but most of you stated his production will drop, it actually is better. Just goes to show that is one heckuva ball player. One last comment would be look at Matt Kemp, he knows he cannot be on them now and look at his injuries to the soft tissue muscles.

 

[phillyfan0417]

False argument.
PEDs don't necessarily make you hit the ball farther.
They will help you recover faster over the grind of 162 games.
A pitcher like Pettite used HGH for recovery, not velocity.
Let's look at his numbers over the final 2 mos of the season this year and compare to last year before we can ignore the what the cheater did.

Because thats a true argument?

Although, you seem totally objective in that last statement too...

 

[fkw]

It may not be fair, but to me he will always be a PED guy in the eyes of the media...
But then again I have no issue with the term PED, or the hitter and pitchers who used them in the past...

The Era was more influenced by the million $$ home gyms most of these players now have... and strict workouts and diets with protein supplements etc, than the PEDs that helped them recover and work out more.

It was and still is to a point the "Home Gym Era" there are so many small players hitting 450' bombs now days... its all from workouts and staying healthy (unlike the drunk lushes and party all night players of the 1920s-60s)

 

[alexs64]

Wow, sour grapes the guy got off, made MLB look stupid, of course they are going to not show him in the ads, until this dies down, he won't be. Does it suck, yes, but most of you stated his production will drop, it actually is better. Just goes to show that is one heckuva ball player. One last comment would be look at Matt Kemp, he knows he cannot be on them now and look at his injuries to the soft tissue muscles.

I haven't read all of your 2,292 post, but I can almost make a nice wager that 2,288 are just as ignorant as this one.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

False argument.
PEDs don't necessarily make you hit the ball farther.
They will help you recover faster over the grind of 162 games.
A pitcher like Pettite used HGH for recovery, not velocity.
Let's look at his numbers over the final 2 mos of the season this year and compare to last year before we can ignore the what the cheater did.

Yes I don't know why many people ignore the recovery aspect of PEDs - the player can't add to his stats if he's not in the game, and won't perform nearly as well if he has no energy or is hurting. Any way one looks at it, PEDs are (obviously) a major boost.

 

[LazerShow15]

I haven't read all of your 2,292 post, but I can almost make a nice wager that 2,288 are just as ignorant as this one.

Let me guess a Dodger fan, if you were a Brewer fan and a Ryan Braun fan you would be singing a different tune. How come everybodies opinion has to be ignorant.

 

[HPC]

Let me guess a Dodger fan, if you were a Brewer fan and a Ryan Braun fan you would be singing a different tune. How come everybodies opinion has to be ignorant.

Theres only one ignorant guy here and its you bro

 

[alexs64]

Let me guess a Dodger fan, if you were a Brewer fan and a Ryan Braun fan you would be singing a different tune. How come everybodies opinion has to be ignorant.

You didn't and won't see me sticking up for Manny. He was a Dodger and a screwed up one at that. I never defended his actions and I won't. If a Dodger screws up then it is what it is, but I won't stand behind him if he pisses dirty. And don't get it twisted, Braun pissed dirty plain and simple.

 

[alexs64]

From a Dodgers Facebook post:

Los Angeles Dodgers

Last night at Dodger Stadium, Matt Kemp shot a top secret commercial for Major League Baseball. LIKE this to wish Beastmode a speedy recovery from the Disabled List!​

Did you see Braun filming any commercials? LMAO!!!!

 

[thefatguy]

PS
MLB fired the arbitrator that ruled in Braun's favor. Not the testing company and not the tester.

Your boy got caught, found a loophole that wasn't really a loophole, attacked the tester and not the rules and procedures as agreed upon in the CBA, implied tampering when there was NO proof, and went before an arbitrator that MLB later determined was not competent to hold that position and fired him.

 

[alexs64]

PS
MLB fired the arbitrator that ruled in Braun's favor. Not the testing company and not the tester.

Your boy got caught, found a loophole that wasn't really a loophole, attacked the tester and not the rules and procedures as agreed upon in the CBA, implied tampering when there was NO proof, and went before an arbitrator that MLB later determined was not competent to hold that position and fired him.

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[alexs64]

 

[DeliciousBacon]

PS
MLB fired the arbitrator that ruled in Braun's favor. Not the testing company and not the tester.

Your boy got caught, found a loophole that wasn't really a loophole, attacked the tester and not the rules and procedures as agreed upon in the CBA, implied tampering when there was NO proof, and went before an arbitrator that MLB later determined was not competent to hold that position and fired him.

Das was most likely fired by MLB simply because he ruled against them. There is precedence for such an action; MLB fired Peter Seitz after he ruled in favor of Messersmith and McNally in the free agent case, and Thomas Roberts was fired after he ruled against MLB in the collusion case in the mid 1980's. Nowhere does the issue of Das' competence come up, except in the minds of those who can't accept that the system worked, whether we all like it or not.

 

[LazerShow15]

Theres only one ignorant guy here and its you bro

Anybody who uses the word "bro" is ignorant.