So tired of ebay sellers and their counter offers

[Keyser Soze]

My analogy doesn't make Tom look bad. Tom being a thief and a con artist and attempting to lie about it and hide from it makes Tom look bad. Being banned from nearly every internet sports card forum for being a thief also makes Tom look bad. Tom did this himself. I simply pointed it out.

Let's not twist the truth or facts.

I agree that Tom doesn't look good here, but he was placed on heavy restrictions for a long time on this site and has done extremely well. 100 feedbacks with zero negs or neutrals on this site is not easy to do. I just take issue with you comparing him to a serial killer in your silly analogy. Whether intentional or not, your comments made the situation seem worse than it was. If you so hate the fact that Tom is allowed to trade here, while not being allowed to on other sites, then feel free to take yourself to those other sites and stop coming here. That's all I am saying, and I'll say no more about the topic

 

[Keyser Soze]

[quote="Keyser Soze":2exlhhbc]

A murderer can't go on a five state killing spree then duck into Colorado and be safe because the police say "Well, he hasn't killed anyone here. So he's ok in our book."

Only an absolute IDIOT would compare potential card/money theft to multiple homicides. That's a moronic comparison. You just proved that you're not someone based in reality.

And the fact that your attack on Tom was born from a minor disagreement about eBay etiquette just shows you to be an overreactive irritant who doesn't know how to deal with people who don't agree with you.

It was an analogy. He wasn't making a direct comparison. Chill out..

I know what an analogy is, but his was a horrible one

Fair enough. Go Texans [/quote:2exlhhbc]

Well, I guess I do have to say one more thing: HELL YEAH GO TEXANS!! Next season should be a lot of fun

 

[phillyfan0417]

My analogy doesn't make Tom look bad. Tom being a thief and a con artist and attempting to lie about it and hide from it makes Tom look bad. Being banned from nearly every internet sports card forum for being a thief also makes Tom look bad. Tom did this himself. I simply pointed it out.

Let's not twist the truth or facts.

So dont twist the facts. I'm wondering how smart it is, if the idea was to hide from his past, to pick a board name that kind of makes it fairly simple for people to figure out who he is?

Since he's been on this board, he's basically followed every condition gilmo asked for without complaint and as far as i know, other than one dispute, also, he never hid from that issues, he's been a member in good standing. Gilmo and the mods discussed this and simply felt he deserved a chance since verification of what happened wasnt clear.

 

[hive17]

Re: So tired of ******** ebay sellers and their counter offers

The seller is under no obligation to sell it any cheaper than he wants to. The going rate is meaningless. Perhaps he bought it for $150 and now, for whatever reason, needs to sell it and doesn't want to take a loss.

Also, the "going rate" is meaningless because someone new to Ebay or unfamiliar with the search function could buy it for $150 on a whim on their initial search.

The bottom line is that the seller isn't doing anything wrong. He's not obligated to sell it to you for what you want to pay. He only needs to sell it for what he wants to sell it for.

Now, if only the majority of this forum would grasp this kind of common sense and logic and quit whining about stuff all day. But I won't hold my breath.

I wondered what made this thread go to 6 pages. I got to this point on page 2 and "ooooohhhhh, now I see..."

 

[nyc3]

Since he's been on this board, he's basically followed every condition gilmo asked for without complaint and as far as i know, other than one dispute, also, he never hid from that issues, he's been a member in good standing. Gilmo and the mods discussed this and simply felt he deserved a chance since verification of what happened wasnt clear.

Thats easy I remember it quite clearly

He bought a bunch of reprints then made up a story on how he found them in a metal tin at an antique shop. Then tried to sell them to members of several message boards.

After only being confronted with the completed reprint auctions it was all a big joke (because that's funny?). Then some detective work over at the PSA boards uncovered this name has ripped off several people on several different message boards, they where all using addresses in the same 2 neighborhoods most with variations of the same name. All of which now are clearly posted all over the internet.

 

[Mamunrud]

My analogy doesn't make Tom look bad. Tom being a thief and a con artist and attempting to lie about it and hide from it makes Tom look bad. Being banned from nearly every internet sports card forum for being a thief also makes Tom look bad. Tom did this himself. I simply pointed it out.

Let's not twist the truth or facts.

So dont twist the facts. I'm wondering how smart it is, if the idea was to hide from his past, to pick a board name that kind of makes it fairly simple for people to figure out who he is?

Since he's been on this board, he's basically followed every condition gilmo asked for without complaint and as far as i know, other than one dispute, also, he never hid from that issues, he's been a member in good standing. Gilmo and the mods discussed this and simply felt he deserved a chance since verification of what happened wasnt clear.

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I would like to now post that my situation with Tom has now been satisfied, I've been refunded the remainder of what was owed to me. I can now let this issue go away, as I hope the rest can go on with their own business.

 

[Titans74]

Since he's been on this board, he's basically followed every condition gilmo asked for without complaint and as far as i know, other than one dispute, also, he never hid from that issues, he's been a member in good standing. Gilmo and the mods discussed this and simply felt he deserved a chance since verification of what happened wasnt clear.

Thats easy I remember it quite clearly

He bought a bunch of reprints then made up a story on how he found them in a metal tin at an antique shop. Then tried to sell them to members of several message boards.

After only being confronted with the completed reprint auctions it was all a big joke (because that's funny?). Then some detective work over at the PSA boards uncovered this name has ripped off several people on several different message boards, they where all using addresses in the same 2 neighborhoods most with variations of the same name. All of which now are clearly posted all over the internet.

Bingo.

 

[phillyfan0417]

Since he's been on this board, he's basically followed every condition gilmo asked for without complaint and as far as i know, other than one dispute, also, he never hid from that issues, he's been a member in good standing. Gilmo and the mods discussed this and simply felt he deserved a chance since verification of what happened wasnt clear.

Thats easy I remember it quite clearly

He bought a bunch of reprints then made up a story on how he found them in a metal tin at an antique shop. Then tried to sell them to members of several message boards.

After only being confronted with the completed reprint auctions it was all a big joke (because that's funny?). Then some detective work over at the PSA boards uncovered this name has ripped off several people on several different message boards, they where all using addresses in the same 2 neighborhoods most with variations of the same name. All of which now are clearly posted all over the internet.

Bingo.

Bingo or whatever, the fact is at the time the decision was made, it was made with the information we had. At this point, the member has been upstanding and completed all his deals without fail.

The idea tom murry was hiding with the member name tom murry, stikes me as funny. Also, he just fixed the last remaining issue we were aware of.

 

[cgilmo]

He carried a must send first icon for a year.

 

[nyc3]

He carried a must send first icon for a year.

I am not questioning you or anything you did as you went above to protect everyone. My concern is with the total dismissal of everything as if it never happened and since it was then everyone should just move on.

I have seen many things on the internet, one of which is tough times bring on stupid decisions and if that day comes (I hope it never does) will this 100 feedback mean a thing?

 

[ideal0024]

I have seen many things on the internet, one of which is tough times bring on stupid decisions and if that day comes (I hope it never does) will this 100 feedback mean a thing?

Yep, it means it will be much easier for him to gain the trust of people to con again.

 

[phillyfan0417]

I have seen many things on the internet, one of which is tough times bring on stupid decisions and if that day comes (I hope it never does) will this 100 feedback mean a thing?

Yep, it means it will be much easier for him to gain the trust of people to con again.

This description is basically one that can be used for anyone you deal with on the internet. Now that you are aware who he is, I'm assuming you will all use that information to choose what to do if dealing with this member.

 

[nyc3]

This description is basically one that can be used for anyone you deal with on the internet. Now that you are aware who he is, I'm assuming you will all use that information to choose what to do if dealing with this member.

I have since he signed up, but as you can see not everyone knows nor will know since this place grows daily. Add a name change in the mix and people just forget or not notice. So a flare up on occasion should be expected, especially if its just brushed off as hey stuff happens and in the same breath say nothing happened, maybe.

I wish him all the best, but to be honest I wouldn't deal with him with someone else's money.

 

[Titans74]

Nyc3 made my next point for me. I am not questioning or arguing his being here or why the decision was made to allow him here. And his 100% feedback is spectacular. Great for him. Good for those he hasn't ripped off here. It still doesn't change the fact that he was (technically can't use the word is) one of the biggest thieves on the internet and is banned from so many sites for being a thief that I've lost count.

So long as everyone here is aware of his tactics and numerous past scams, and they have full disclosure as to who they are dealing with, I'm satisfied.

If a supposedly reformed ********* was my neighbor, I certainly would want to know so I knew better than to invite him over and be near my kids. Same as if I was on a trading site with a known thief who is supposedly reformed, I would want to know so I knew better than to deal with him.

Hey Keyser, it's just an analogy.

 

[Russ S.]

[quote="Keyser Soze":1k77crgy]

whats the beckett BV on the card in question?

Just curious why this matters. There is no more irrelavent term in collecting than "book value".

it is what i go by for all of my transactions, as i believe it truly shows what many refer to as the "going rate". just my opinion though

edit- yes i see blan picked up on what i was originally going for

So you think that BV more closely reflects the going rate than actual sales do? Why are there people that STILL think that actual sales should reflect BV and not the other way around?[/quote:1k77crgy]
"BV" shouldn't even exist any more.
It's been irrelevant for MANY years now. It's laughable.

Take the 2006 UD Special FX Blue Refractor SPs for example!
Beckett should stick to Magic cards.
I have no clue why people still give them money or support their priceguide services (print or online).

 

[markakis8]

I was wondering how long after the psycho-lunatic murdering rampage analogy there would be a ********* analogy. Turns out only a couple pages.

 

[jbhofmann]

Does this work on message boards?

 

[hive17]

Nyc3 made my next point for me. I am not questioning or arguing his being here or why the decision was made to allow him here. And his 100% feedback is spectacular. Great for him. Good for those he hasn't ripped off here. It still doesn't change the fact that he was (technically can't use the word is) one of the biggest thieves on the internet and is banned from so many sites for being a thief that I've lost count.

So long as everyone here is aware of his tactics and numerous past scams, and they have full disclosure as to who they are dealing with, I'm satisfied.

If a supposedly reformed ********* was my neighbor, I certainly would want to know so I knew better than to invite him over and be near my kids. Same as if I was on a trading site with a known thief who is supposedly reformed, I would want to know so I knew better than to deal with him.

Hey Keyser, it's just an analogy.

And what does all this have to do with the OP and the topic at hand? Oh, that's right, nothing. You brought it up because you argue like a woman. You disagreed with the premise of his original intent of this thread, so your solution was to bitch about something else.

 

[RiceLynnEvans75]

The rare times I have made offers, I do my research ahead of time. I do look at recently completed ebay sales (nowhere near perfect either or reflective of "the market", just reflective of ebay) as well as VCP, BV, and where ever else I can find info. I typically go a little higher above the realized prices (on harder to find cards) and explain how I came to my offer price in a polite way. A couple of times it was accepted, and a couple of times not. Though nowhere near a big sale in any way, shape, or form, a seller had something listed at $19.95. I offered $4 which was just under everywhere else I could find it, with a polite explanation why, and it was accepted.

As a seller, though I don't think I've sold anything on ebay in months now, I always add the best offer when doing a BIN. I've gotten a couple of people to offer more than I was expecting right off the bat and accepted while there are plenty who go VERY low on the offers and never respond to a counter offer, usually at least 10% lower than my BIN price. If anything, I just realize it's not a big deal and find humor in it. My favorite was a guy who wanted to pick up a BGS 8 (or 8.5, can't remember) '93 SP Jeter from me. He went very low on it and it ended up not working out. His explanation was that one of the subgrades was holding it back so he couldn't go any higher than that. Take a look at his completed sales, and he had just sold, on a BIN, pretty much the identical card ('93 SP Jeter, exact same overall grade AND subgrades, and both his and mine were in the old BGS holder) for $35-$40 more than what he was offering me. Now, I have no issues with someone trying to make a buck and flip something, but at least give people some credit for being able to use a search function!

 

[isotopes4]

titans74 positive feedback 0
Tom Murry positive feedback 100

correct me if i am wrong, but isn't 100>0??

With Toms current feedback history here, what (may have) happened on other websites in the past shouldn't even be brought up on FCB. Let his feedback on FCB speaks for itself, and influence how people choose to deal with him, not YOUR interpretation what kind of person/trader he is. If you have any personal dealings with him that aren't on FCB, take them up where the deals were made, not here. If you don't have any deals with him that went bad, whats the problem? Are you just one of those people that complains to hear yourself yap?