soccerman034 pickups and observations thread

[beefycheddar]

Not sure how Friedrich can be considered a "great prospect"...not even top 100.

Keith Law has him listed as the #2 prospect in Colorado's system, ahead of Chacin who is in the top 50 of nearly everyone's top 100. He has a four pitch mix, and has potential to have 3 plus pitches going in to the future....which is huge, especially for a big lefty. I think he has a solid, #2 or maybe even #1 starter ceiling, which makes his pricing all the more confusing.

His pricing is what it is because he has a Chrome.

 

[pujolsjunkie]

Not sure how Friedrich can be considered a "great prospect"...not even top 100.

Keith Law has him listed as the #2 prospect in Colorado's system, ahead of Chacin who is in the top 50 of nearly everyone's top 100. He has a four pitch mix, and has potential to have 3 plus pitches going in to the future....which is huge, especially for a big lefty. I think he has a solid, #2 or maybe even #1 starter ceiling, which makes his pricing all the more confusing.

#2 in Colorado's system doesn't mean a heck of a lot. Chacin had to be dazzling to reach his status as a top 40 guy. Friedrich gets no love because he's a Rockies pitching prospect. He has to go out and earn respect. In my opinion, anyway.

 

[soccerman034]

Not sure how Friedrich can be considered a "great prospect"...not even top 100.

Keith Law has him listed as the #2 prospect in Colorado's system, ahead of Chacin who is in the top 50 of nearly everyone's top 100. He has a four pitch mix, and has potential to have 3 plus pitches going in to the future....which is huge, especially for a big lefty. I think he has a solid, #2 or maybe even #1 starter ceiling, which makes his pricing all the more confusing.

His pricing is what it is because he has a Chrome.

I will take a limited auto from a high end product any day of the week over the pricing equivalent of an xfractor.

 

[soccerman034]

Not sure how Friedrich can be considered a "great prospect"...not even top 100.

Keith Law has him listed as the #2 prospect in Colorado's system, ahead of Chacin who is in the top 50 of nearly everyone's top 100. He has a four pitch mix, and has potential to have 3 plus pitches going in to the future....which is huge, especially for a big lefty. I think he has a solid, #2 or maybe even #1 starter ceiling, which makes his pricing all the more confusing.

#2 in Colorado's system doesn't mean a heck of a lot. Chacin had to be dazzling to reach his status as a top 40 guy. Friedrich gets no love because he's a Rockies pitching prospect. He has to go out and earn respect. In my opinion, anyway.

It does though, at least to me, especially with Fowler and Chacin being among the best prospects in the game. I agree that he is going to have to prove it, but hes a low risk high reward prospect right now....the best kind. I meant he was a great prospect in terms of investing.

 

[beefycheddar]

Not sure how Friedrich can be considered a "great prospect"...not even top 100.

Keith Law has him listed as the #2 prospect in Colorado's system, ahead of Chacin who is in the top 50 of nearly everyone's top 100. He has a four pitch mix, and has potential to have 3 plus pitches going in to the future....which is huge, especially for a big lefty. I think he has a solid, #2 or maybe even #1 starter ceiling, which makes his pricing all the more confusing.

His pricing is what it is because he has a Chrome.

I will take a limited auto from a high end product any day of the week over the pricing equivalent of an xfractor.

That's you, I was talking about the common collector would rather have a card of him in Chrome and his MLB uniform.

 

[cgilmo]

Not sure how Friedrich can be considered a "great prospect"...not even top 100.

Keith Law has him listed as the #2 prospect in Colorado's system, ahead of Chacin who is in the top 50 of nearly everyone's top 100. He has a four pitch mix, and has potential to have 3 plus pitches going in to the future....which is huge, especially for a big lefty. I think he has a solid, #2 or maybe even #1 starter ceiling, which makes his pricing all the more confusing.

dude, did you seriously just use a Keith Law rating?


It seems to me like you over think, and reach for reasons to buy a certain prospect.

 

[soccerman034]

Not sure how Friedrich can be considered a "great prospect"...not even top 100.

Keith Law has him listed as the #2 prospect in Colorado's system, ahead of Chacin who is in the top 50 of nearly everyone's top 100. He has a four pitch mix, and has potential to have 3 plus pitches going in to the future....which is huge, especially for a big lefty. I think he has a solid, #2 or maybe even #1 starter ceiling, which makes his pricing all the more confusing.

His pricing is what it is because he has a Chrome.

I will take a limited auto from a high end product any day of the week over the pricing equivalent of an xfractor.

That's you, I was talking about the common collector would rather have a card of him in Chrome and his MLB uniform.

I would think that the majority of people that buy prospect cards while said player is still in the minors (i.e. prospectors) would be in interested in the prime cuts cards more than an xfractor, but hey, I may be way off.

 

[soccerman034]

Not sure how Friedrich can be considered a "great prospect"...not even top 100.

Keith Law has him listed as the #2 prospect in Colorado's system, ahead of Chacin who is in the top 50 of nearly everyone's top 100. He has a four pitch mix, and has potential to have 3 plus pitches going in to the future....which is huge, especially for a big lefty. I think he has a solid, #2 or maybe even #1 starter ceiling, which makes his pricing all the more confusing.

dude, did you seriously just use a Keith Law rating?


It seems to me like you over think, and reach for reasons to buy a certain prospect.

Keith Law is a very intelligent baseball person, and I respect his opinion (as much as I dont agree with it at times). Nearly every scout or blogger out there has Friedrich either in the #2 hole or #3, and I find both rankings to be impressive....

In terms of over thinking my prospects, maybe I do, but from the videos I have seen + Friedrich's scouting reports and price, I am fairly confident he is a winner (as an investment.)

 

[bballcardkid]

Friedrich is a nice buy. Don't understand the flack your taking by picking up his auto at $5. He was projected to go in the first half of the first round however slipped. The OVC killed him. I say buy away at these prices.

 

[pujolsjunkie]

Friedrich is a nice buy. Don't understand the flack your taking by picking up his auto at $5. He was projected to go in the first half of the first round however slipped. The OVC killed him. I say buy away at these prices.

I didn't criticize the purchase. I took issue with him being called a "great prospect."

 

[bballcardkid]

Friedrich is a nice buy. Don't understand the flack your taking by picking up his auto at $5. He was projected to go in the first half of the first round however slipped. The OVC killed him. I say buy away at these prices.

I didn't criticize the purchase. I took issue with him being called a "great prospect."

BA has been known to miss them before. Yah never know.

 

[beefycheddar]

[quote="pujolsjunkie":1e1nkb72]Not sure how Friedrich can be considered a "great prospect"...not even top 100.

Keith Law has him listed as the #2 prospect in Colorado's system, ahead of Chacin who is in the top 50 of nearly everyone's top 100. He has a four pitch mix, and has potential to have 3 plus pitches going in to the future....which is huge, especially for a big lefty. I think he has a solid, #2 or maybe even #1 starter ceiling, which makes his pricing all the more confusing.

His pricing is what it is because he has a Chrome.

I will take a limited auto from a high end product any day of the week over the pricing equivalent of an xfractor.

That's you, I was talking about the common collector would rather have a card of him in Chrome and his MLB uniform.

I would think that the majority of people that buy prospect cards while said player is still in the minors (i.e. prospectors) would be in interested in the prime cuts cards more than an xfractor, but hey, I may be way off.[/quote:1e1nkb72]

But the majority of money by prospectors, highest ROI, comes from when a player breaks through with a team, and team collectors want cards of their players in their teams uniform if it is available.

 

[soccerman034]

[quote="soccerman034":3jt9pzi0][quote="pujolsjunkie":3jt9pzi0]Not sure how Friedrich can be considered a "great prospect"...not even top 100.

Keith Law has him listed as the #2 prospect in Colorado's system, ahead of Chacin who is in the top 50 of nearly everyone's top 100. He has a four pitch mix, and has potential to have 3 plus pitches going in to the future....which is huge, especially for a big lefty. I think he has a solid, #2 or maybe even #1 starter ceiling, which makes his pricing all the more confusing.

His pricing is what it is because he has a Chrome.

I will take a limited auto from a high end product any day of the week over the pricing equivalent of an xfractor.

That's you, I was talking about the common collector would rather have a card of him in Chrome and his MLB uniform.

I would think that the majority of people that buy prospect cards while said player is still in the minors (i.e. prospectors) would be in interested in the prime cuts cards more than an xfractor, but hey, I may be way off.[/quote:3jt9pzi0]

But the majority of money by prospectors, highest ROI, comes from when a player breaks through with a team, and team collectors want cards of their players in their teams uniform if it is available.[/quote:3jt9pzi0]

I beg to differ. The market is driven by prospectors...I know I have ended up selling most of my cards to other prospectors, as have many other people. A very small percentage of prospects make it to the majors and preform their, thus most of the money is made via minor league performance. Just my opinion.

 

[soccerman034]

Friedrich is a nice buy. Don't understand the flack your taking by picking up his auto at $5. He was projected to go in the first half of the first round however slipped. The OVC killed him. I say buy away at these prices.

I didn't criticize the purchase. I took issue with him being called a "great prospect."

BA has been known to miss them before. Yah never know.

I didn't mean to call him a "great prospect" in a baseball sense; hes clearly not up there with the Price's and Porcello's of the world (at least not yet). I was just trying to say that he is a great investment at this point in time, at least in my opinion.

Just for clarity's sake, which would you rather have, a xfractor or primecuts base auto of Friedrich.

 

[beefycheddar]

Friedrich is a nice buy. Don't understand the flack your taking by picking up his auto at $5. He was projected to go in the first half of the first round however slipped. The OVC killed him. I say buy away at these prices.

I didn't criticize the purchase. I took issue with him being called a "great prospect."

BA has been known to miss them before. Yah never know.

I didn't mean to call him a "great prospect" in a baseball sense; hes clearly not up there with the Price's and Porcello's of the world (at least not yet). I was just trying to say that he is a great investment at this point in time, at least in my opinion.

Just for clarity's sake, which would you rather have, a xfractor or primecuts base auto of Friedrich.

I would rather have a chrome personally. I have picked a few of his cards up since he played for my team in the Cape League. My rankings of his cards would be Chrome, Razor, Prime Cuts then the other Donruss stuff. I person hate DLP stickers, so this does bend my view of the cards.

DLP cards are not bad to get in cases of when they are the only one to make a card of someone, but in this case every single company made his card.

 

[soccerman034]

Friedrich is a nice buy. Don't understand the flack your taking by picking up his auto at $5. He was projected to go in the first half of the first round however slipped. The OVC killed him. I say buy away at these prices.

I didn't criticize the purchase. I took issue with him being called a "great prospect."

BA has been known to miss them before. Yah never know.

I didn't mean to call him a "great prospect" in a baseball sense; hes clearly not up there with the Price's and Porcello's of the world (at least not yet). I was just trying to say that he is a great investment at this point in time, at least in my opinion.

Just for clarity's sake, which would you rather have, a xfractor or primecuts base auto of Friedrich.

I would rather have a chrome personally. I have picked a few of his cards up since he played for my team in the Cape League. My rankings of his cards would be Chrome, Razor, Prime Cuts then the other Donruss stuff. I person hate DLP stickers, so this does bend my view of the cards.

DLP cards are not bad to get in cases of when they are the only one to make a card of someone, but in this case every single company made his card.

Interesting stuff. MY personal rankings would be:

1.) Elite- Low numbering, brand recognition, solid design.
2.) Contenders- Another good design, gradable.
3.) Prime cuts- VERY low total print run, high end set, nice design (imo).
4.) BCDP- Lack of auto is bad, but lower print runs are a plus.
5.) Razor- Really high print runs, not a fan of the design.

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

Hey there, I think you've got some nice buy's & agree with you fully on your statement about selling to other prospector's (as in my own experience when dealing with prospect's, I probably sell to other prospector's 98+% of the time as I'm not one to "sit" on an investment too long if there is profit to be made)! The only thing that I'm a bit puzzled on is the fixation on Brett Hunter, isn't he already designated for the role of a closer/relief pitcher (he's being groomed for that position correct)? That normally ='s a quick death in the world of prospecting, unless there is a known chance that they've been acknowledged as a possible starter. I would definitely buy-in if I had some type of info. that stated he "was not" headed towards a relief/closer role! Kudos on Friedrich though, I've bought several also!

 

[soccerman034]

Hey there, I think you've got some nice buy's & agree with you fully on your statement about selling to other prospector's (as in my own experience when dealing with prospect's, I probably sell to other prospector's 98+% of the time as I'm not one to "sit" on an investment too long if there is profit to be made)! The only thing that I'm a bit puzzled on is the fixation on Brett Hunter, isn't he already designated for the role of a closer/relief pitcher (he's being groomed for that position correct)? That normally ='s a quick death in the world of prospecting, unless there is a known chance that they've been acknowledged as a possible starter. I would definitely buy-in if I had some type of info. that stated he "was not" headed towards a relief/closer role! Kudos on Friedrich though, I've bought several also!

All I have heard is that he has had some injury troubles in the past, but they are going to give him every opportunity to start. Here's hoping he does!

Another pickup:

-($8) Cunningham is SP'd to 283, so I figured it was a solid price.

 

[soccerman034]

Some more buys:

-(5x) for $33 per. That covers the Neftali I will buy unless he has a chrome auto this year.

-$115 dlvd. Man I overpaid, but I am liking Dixon a lot. I now own (2) /5 elites and a solid amount of his primecuts stuff.

 

[soccerman034]

A few more pickups:

Completes my Atkins Bowman Originals set

I finally got one of these...paid through the noes ($38), but I finally got one! Hopefully these actually are /99....

I also have a deal aligned for a huge TOTC card for my set....stay tuned!