soo has anybody noticed evan longoria

[scotty21690]

I think I'd have Mauer over Longoria. I'd listen to an argument for Teixeira over Longoria.

And Braun...

 

[andyduke86]

I think I'd have Mauer over Longoria. I'd listen to an argument for Teixeira over Longoria.

And Braun...

Longoria's defense makes him more valuable than Braun. Fielding is half the game and is almost always overlooked by the casual fan.

 

[KOBEARODLT]

I think I'd have Mauer over Longoria. I'd listen to an argument for Teixeira over Longoria.

And Braun...

Longoria's defense makes him more valuable than Braun. Fielding is half the game and is almost always overlooked by the casual fan.

 

[KC37]

I think I'd have Mauer over Longoria. I'd listen to an argument for Teixeira over Longoria.

And Braun...

Longoria's defense makes him more valuable than Braun. Fielding is half the game and is almost always overlooked by the casual fan.

Agreed.

 

[andyduke86]

I think I'd have Mauer over Longoria. I'd listen to an argument for Teixeira over Longoria.

And Braun...

Longoria's defense makes him more valuable than Braun. Fielding is half the game and is almost always overlooked by the casual fan.

longoria better than braun ::facepalm:: ...explain please, i mean just fielding seriously?

im sorry but the longoria love fest is gross

My point exactly.

There's so much more to the game than the 5 fantasy stats.

 

[KOBEARODLT]

pujols
braun
hanley
ichiro
arod
manny
prince
mauer
morneau
miguel cabrera
teixera
damon
utley
howard
wright

im taking all these guys before longoria and thats just off the top of my head, im sure i could get up to 20 guys if i really tried

 

[Incline Investments]

[quote="Incline Investments":2yjzn3w0]1. Pujols
2. Hanley
3. Longoria

Hate if you want.

Yikes..I love Hanley and Longo, but when you factor in all aspects of the game, I dont think that list is really accurate. If Hanley were not a SS, I might agree that he is the 2nd best player in baseball, but he is not a very good SS. Longo may be the 3rd best player in baseball in a few more years.[/quote:2yjzn3w0]

I agree that Hanley plays a pretty weak SS, but it's SS nontheless.

And actually since I don't really think lists are very accurate, I would range it to a tier system, with the following guys in Tier 1:

Pujols, Hanley, Longo, Teixeira, Mauer, Upton, Kemp.

Players just missing would include Braun, Fielder, Utley, etc.

 

[thenumberonemetfan]

pujols
braun
hanley
ichiro
arod
manny
prince
mauer
morneau
miguel cabrera
teixera
damon
utley
howard
wright

im taking all these guys before longoria and thats just off the top of my head, im sure i could get up to 20 guys if i really tried

Damon?

 

[scotty21690]

Talking strictly offense, Braun>>>Longoria.

 

[Jays_Cards]

[quote="Jays_Cards":l95eagrx][quote="Incline Investments":l95eagrx]1. Pujols
2. Hanley
3. Longoria

Hate if you want.

Yikes..I love Hanley and Longo, but when you factor in all aspects of the game, I dont think that list is really accurate. If Hanley were not a SS, I might agree that he is the 2nd best player in baseball, but he is not a very good SS. Longo may be the 3rd best player in baseball in a few more years.[/quote:l95eagrx]

I agree that Hanley plays a pretty weak SS, but it's SS nontheless.

And actually since I don't really think lists are very accurate, I would range it to a tier system, with the following guys in Tier 1:

Pujols, Hanley, Longo, Teixeira, Mauer, Upton, Kemp.

Players just missing would include Braun, Fielder, Utley, etc.[/quote:l95eagrx]

I agree with your picks except for Teixeira and Kemp. If Teix is up there, Morneau has to be. Kemp may be there in a year or 2, but I think Utley is the 2nd best player in baseball.

 

[Incline Investments]

[quote="Incline Investments":1aanw3r5][quote="Jays_Cards":1aanw3r5][quote="Incline Investments":1aanw3r5]1. Pujols
2. Hanley
3. Longoria

Hate if you want.

Yikes..I love Hanley and Longo, but when you factor in all aspects of the game, I dont think that list is really accurate. If Hanley were not a SS, I might agree that he is the 2nd best player in baseball, but he is not a very good SS. Longo may be the 3rd best player in baseball in a few more years.[/quote:1aanw3r5]

I agree that Hanley plays a pretty weak SS, but it's SS nontheless.

And actually since I don't really think lists are very accurate, I would range it to a tier system, with the following guys in Tier 1:

Pujols, Hanley, Longo, Teixeira, Mauer, Upton, Kemp.

Players just missing would include Braun, Fielder, Utley, etc.[/quote:1aanw3r5]

I agree with your picks except for Teixeira and Kemp. If Teix is up there, Morneau has to be. Kemp may be there in a year or 2, but I think Utley is the 2nd best player in baseball.[/quote:1aanw3r5]

Totally forgot about Morneau, he would also be in Tier 1.

Check out Kemp's stats if you haven't, he is very underrated, and plays incredible CF.

 

[KOBEARODLT]

pujols
braun
hanley
ichiro
arod
manny
prince
mauer
morneau
miguel cabrera
teixera
damon
utley
howard
wright

im taking all these guys before longoria and thats just off the top of my head, im sure i could get up to 20 guys if i really tried

Damon?

if im going by just this year yes, 23 bombs 70 rbis and 20 point higher average (i must say damon was just off the top of my head) but agree with the other person who said upton and kemp as well

 

[Jays_Cards]

[quote="Jays_Cards":gaq5ckxc][quote="Incline Investments":gaq5ckxc][quote="Jays_Cards":gaq5ckxc][quote="Incline Investments":gaq5ckxc]1. Pujols
2. Hanley
3. Longoria

Hate if you want.

Yikes..I love Hanley and Longo, but when you factor in all aspects of the game, I dont think that list is really accurate. If Hanley were not a SS, I might agree that he is the 2nd best player in baseball, but he is not a very good SS. Longo may be the 3rd best player in baseball in a few more years.[/quote:gaq5ckxc]

I agree that Hanley plays a pretty weak SS, but it's SS nontheless.

And actually since I don't really think lists are very accurate, I would range it to a tier system, with the following guys in Tier 1:

Pujols, Hanley, Longo, Teixeira, Mauer, Upton, Kemp.

Players just missing would include Braun, Fielder, Utley, etc.[/quote:gaq5ckxc]

I agree with your picks except for Teixeira and Kemp. If Teix is up there, Morneau has to be. Kemp may be there in a year or 2, but I think Utley is the 2nd best player in baseball.[/quote:gaq5ckxc]

Totally forgot about Morneau, he would also be in Tier 1.

Check out Kemp's stats if you haven't, he is very underrated, and plays incredible CF.[/quote:gaq5ckxc]

Oh, I know. Kemp is an UNBELIEVABLE player, but I think he needs to put it together for another year before he can be placed on the 1st tier of MLBers.

 

[bballcardkid]

I don't buy defensive arguments. How many runs will it take a player to save on defense to justify their lack of offense in comparison to another offensively equiped player who is par to sub par defensively? Unless the difference in defensive skill is night and day between the two, then it's not convincing to me.

 

[scotty21690]

I don't buy defensive arguments. How many runs will it take a player to save on defense to justify their lack of offense in comparison to another offensively equiped player who is par to sub par defensively? Unless the difference in defensive skill is night and day between the two, then it's not convincing to me.

Not to mention it is apples to oranges comaring defense at 3B to defense at OF.

 

[KOBEARODLT]

I don't buy defensive arguments. How many runs will it take a player to save on defense to justify their lack of offense in comparison to another offensively equiped player who is par to sub par defensively? Unless the difference in defensive skill is night and day between the two, then it's not convincing to me.

agree, but people have to have something to say good about longo

 

[andyduke86]

The thing that keeps the average fan from understanding defensive value is that it is essentially impossible to quantify in a simple manner. For every play a fielder makes that the average defender at his position wouldn't make, that is essentially as good as getting a hit on offense. If it has to be explained to you, there is really no point in explaining.

Also, anyone who uses batting average as justification for a player being better than another really has no idea what they're talking about and loses any credibility.

 

[KOBEARODLT]

The thing that keeps the average fan from understanding defensive value is that it is essentially impossible to quantify in a simple manner. For every play a fielder makes that the average defender at his position wouldn't make, that is essentially as good as getting a hit on offense. If it has to be explained to you, there is really no point in explaining.

Also, anyone who uses batting average as justification for a player being better than another really has no idea what they're talking about and loses any credibility.

how is batting average not relevant

 

[markakis8]

you just hate your team. pack it up E and find someone else to root for. Be an O's fan, you know you wanna.

Half a dozen years ago i was as big a David Wright fan as you'd find.

Now? not so much. As a Mets fan, i am tired of him sprinkling singles all over the field.
He's more concerned about his pretty face than he is about baseball.

i understand Home Runs are not EVERYTHING, but he has EIGHT (8) this entire SEASON,
that is a joke and a half.

At work, we have the "+/-" game. Every time someone hits a HR (not the elite HR hitters mind you)
we yell out "+2" if that player has hit his 10th, meaning that he has 2 more than David White

 

[goblue6919]

Longo>Wright