Starlin Castro Now An Autograph in 2010 Bowman!

[hail2thevictors]

I guess I don't understand everyone and the assumptions that Starlin will be in 2010 Bowman.

Nothing so far has backed that up-it could very well be 2010 Bowman Chrome that he is in. Yeah, the card stock has to be Chrome, because the only non-chrome auto in 2010 Bowman is Strasburg, from what I am understanding. Just to play devil's advocate, I would assume just yet that Starlin is an auto in 2010 Bowman. Sure, I'd love for that to be the case, but from the posts I have read, none of them back up firmly him being in 2010 Bowman.

Look again at the preliminary checklist and at this thread.

There are plenty of autographs on base Bowman stock besides Strasburg, and according to Topps' Twitter page, Castro is in fact an auto in this product.

Last I saw, the autos are CHROME. For instance, a jumbo will yield 3 chrome autos. From what I am understanding, Strasburg is the only paper auto in the set. Isn't that what they are saying, 3 CHROME autos per jumbo?

Sigh. Please show me a past Bowman product which contained only 1 Bowman base auto in it.

Now, as for Starlin Castro, here's the entire conversation I had with the Topps guy on Twitter. Read it, then tell me I'm wrong.


Topps -- Starlin Castro, Dustin Ackley, and Stephen Strasburg all signed on card for Bowman today.

Me -- Just to clarify, Ackley and Castro are both going to be autographs in 2010 Bowman, not '10 Bowman Chrome, which comes out later?

Topps -- Yes. That's not to say they won't be autos in Chrome. I just tweeted the info I was given today.

Me -- Thanks. Are Starlin Castro's Bowman autos going to appear on base Bowman stock, or on Bowman Chrome stock, within 2010 Bowman?

Topps -- Almost positive he'll be on Chrome stock, but I don't have the sell sheet in front of me at the moment for reference.

The sell sheet doesn't say anything about Castro even possibly being in the set, so why does he bring that up? The Topps guy doesn't sound very knowledgeable. The suspense is killing me, though, just release it a few weeks early!! ha

Yes, the Topps guy said Starlin signed cards for Topps. He did not clarify what product the Starlin auto cards are going to be in-though it sounds like they will be on chrome stock.

 

[hail2thevictors]

[quote="hail2thevictors":3mvbfcw6]I guess I don't understand everyone and the assumptions that Starlin will be in 2010 Bowman.

Nothing so far has backed that up-it could very well be 2010 Bowman Chrome that he is in. Yeah, the card stock has to be Chrome, because the only non-chrome auto in 2010 Bowman is Strasburg, from what I am understanding. Just to play devil's advocate, I would assume just yet that Starlin is an auto in 2010 Bowman. Sure, I'd love for that to be the case, but from the posts I have read, none of them back up firmly him being in 2010 Bowman.

Look again at the preliminary checklist and at this thread.

There are plenty of autographs on base Bowman stock besides Strasburg, and according to Topps' Twitter page, Castro is in fact an auto in this product.

Last I saw, the autos are CHROME. For instance, a jumbo will yield 3 chrome autos. From what I am understanding, Strasburg is the only paper auto in the set. Isn't that what they are saying, 3 CHROME autos per jumbo?

Sigh. Please show me a past Bowman product which contained only 1 Bowman base auto in it.

Now, as for Starlin Castro, here's the entire conversation I had with the Topps guy on Twitter. Read it, then tell me I'm wrong.


Topps -- Starlin Castro, Dustin Ackley, and Stephen Strasburg all signed on card for Bowman today.

Me -- Just to clarify, Ackley and Castro are both going to be autographs in 2010 Bowman, not '10 Bowman Chrome, which comes out later?

Topps -- Yes. That's not to say they won't be autos in Chrome. I just tweeted the info I was given today.

Me -- Thanks. Are Starlin Castro's Bowman autos going to appear on base Bowman stock, or on Bowman Chrome stock, within 2010 Bowman?

Topps -- Almost positive he'll be on Chrome stock, but I don't have the sell sheet in front of me at the moment for reference.

Like he said-"that's not to say they won't be autos in Chrome"-meaning they may be in 2010 Bowman Chrome, NOT 2010 Bowman.

Not necessarily. He could have meant that they could also have autos in 2010 BC AS WELL as 2010 Bowman w/ Chrome.[/quote:3mvbfcw6]

That isn't very likely at all, being he is still a "prospect". But that is just my opinion.

 

[Wes]

[quote="Jaypers":klrta09q][quote="hail2thevictors":klrta09q]I guess I don't understand everyone and the assumptions that Starlin will be in 2010 Bowman.

Nothing so far has backed that up-it could very well be 2010 Bowman Chrome that he is in. Yeah, the card stock has to be Chrome, because the only non-chrome auto in 2010 Bowman is Strasburg, from what I am understanding. Just to play devil's advocate, I would assume just yet that Starlin is an auto in 2010 Bowman. Sure, I'd love for that to be the case, but from the posts I have read, none of them back up firmly him being in 2010 Bowman.

Look again at the preliminary checklist and at this thread.

There are plenty of autographs on base Bowman stock besides Strasburg, and according to Topps' Twitter page, Castro is in fact an auto in this product.

Last I saw, the autos are CHROME. For instance, a jumbo will yield 3 chrome autos. From what I am understanding, Strasburg is the only paper auto in the set. Isn't that what they are saying, 3 CHROME autos per jumbo?

Sigh. Please show me a past Bowman product which contained only 1 Bowman base auto in it.

Now, as for Starlin Castro, here's the entire conversation I had with the Topps guy on Twitter. Read it, then tell me I'm wrong.


Topps -- Starlin Castro, Dustin Ackley, and Stephen Strasburg all signed on card for Bowman today.

Me -- Just to clarify, Ackley and Castro are both going to be autographs in 2010 Bowman, not '10 Bowman Chrome, which comes out later?

Topps -- Yes. That's not to say they won't be autos in Chrome. I just tweeted the info I was given today.

Me -- Thanks. Are Starlin Castro's Bowman autos going to appear on base Bowman stock, or on Bowman Chrome stock, within 2010 Bowman?

Topps -- Almost positive he'll be on Chrome stock, but I don't have the sell sheet in front of me at the moment for reference.

Like he said-"that's not to say they won't be autos in Chrome"-meaning they may be in 2010 Bowman Chrome, NOT 2010 Bowman.

Not necessarily. He could have meant that they could also have autos in 2010 BC AS WELL as 2010 Bowman w/ Chrome.[/quote:klrta09q]

That isn't very likely at all, being he is still a "prospect". But that is just my opinion.[/quote:klrta09q]

Likelihood is irrelevant. The point is that while he would be in 2010 B w/C there is no guarantee he won't also be in 2010 BC.

 

[hail2thevictors]

[quote="hail2thevictors":200knt5k][quote="Jaypers":200knt5k][quote="hail2thevictors":200knt5k]I guess I don't understand everyone and the assumptions that Starlin will be in 2010 Bowman.

Nothing so far has backed that up-it could very well be 2010 Bowman Chrome that he is in. Yeah, the card stock has to be Chrome, because the only non-chrome auto in 2010 Bowman is Strasburg, from what I am understanding. Just to play devil's advocate, I would assume just yet that Starlin is an auto in 2010 Bowman. Sure, I'd love for that to be the case, but from the posts I have read, none of them back up firmly him being in 2010 Bowman.

Look again at the preliminary checklist and at this thread.

There are plenty of autographs on base Bowman stock besides Strasburg, and according to Topps' Twitter page, Castro is in fact an auto in this product.

Last I saw, the autos are CHROME. For instance, a jumbo will yield 3 chrome autos. From what I am understanding, Strasburg is the only paper auto in the set. Isn't that what they are saying, 3 CHROME autos per jumbo?

Sigh. Please show me a past Bowman product which contained only 1 Bowman base auto in it.

Now, as for Starlin Castro, here's the entire conversation I had with the Topps guy on Twitter. Read it, then tell me I'm wrong.


Topps -- Starlin Castro, Dustin Ackley, and Stephen Strasburg all signed on card for Bowman today.

Me -- Just to clarify, Ackley and Castro are both going to be autographs in 2010 Bowman, not '10 Bowman Chrome, which comes out later?

Topps -- Yes. That's not to say they won't be autos in Chrome. I just tweeted the info I was given today.

Me -- Thanks. Are Starlin Castro's Bowman autos going to appear on base Bowman stock, or on Bowman Chrome stock, within 2010 Bowman?

Topps -- Almost positive he'll be on Chrome stock, but I don't have the sell sheet in front of me at the moment for reference.

Like he said-"that's not to say they won't be autos in Chrome"-meaning they may be in 2010 Bowman Chrome, NOT 2010 Bowman.

Not necessarily. He could have meant that they could also have autos in 2010 BC AS WELL as 2010 Bowman w/ Chrome.[/quote:200knt5k]

That isn't very likely at all, being he is still a "prospect". But that is just my opinion.[/quote:200knt5k]

Likelihood is irrelevant. The point is that while he would be in 2010 B w/C there is no guarantee he won't also be in 2010 BC.[/quote:200knt5k]

Well, lets use history as a guide. When has a "prospect"(meaning someone who hasn't appeared in the majors) had an auto in both Bowman w/chrome AND Bowman chrome in the same year?

 

[Wes]

[quote="Jaypers":1vk0le1n][quote="hail2thevictors":1vk0le1n][quote="Jaypers":1vk0le1n][quote="hail2thevictors":1vk0le1n]I guess I don't understand everyone and the assumptions that Starlin will be in 2010 Bowman.

Nothing so far has backed that up-it could very well be 2010 Bowman Chrome that he is in. Yeah, the card stock has to be Chrome, because the only non-chrome auto in 2010 Bowman is Strasburg, from what I am understanding. Just to play devil's advocate, I would assume just yet that Starlin is an auto in 2010 Bowman. Sure, I'd love for that to be the case, but from the posts I have read, none of them back up firmly him being in 2010 Bowman.

Look again at the preliminary checklist and at this thread.

There are plenty of autographs on base Bowman stock besides Strasburg, and according to Topps' Twitter page, Castro is in fact an auto in this product.

Last I saw, the autos are CHROME. For instance, a jumbo will yield 3 chrome autos. From what I am understanding, Strasburg is the only paper auto in the set. Isn't that what they are saying, 3 CHROME autos per jumbo?

Sigh. Please show me a past Bowman product which contained only 1 Bowman base auto in it.

Now, as for Starlin Castro, here's the entire conversation I had with the Topps guy on Twitter. Read it, then tell me I'm wrong.


Topps -- Starlin Castro, Dustin Ackley, and Stephen Strasburg all signed on card for Bowman today.

Me -- Just to clarify, Ackley and Castro are both going to be autographs in 2010 Bowman, not '10 Bowman Chrome, which comes out later?

Topps -- Yes. That's not to say they won't be autos in Chrome. I just tweeted the info I was given today.

Me -- Thanks. Are Starlin Castro's Bowman autos going to appear on base Bowman stock, or on Bowman Chrome stock, within 2010 Bowman?

Topps -- Almost positive he'll be on Chrome stock, but I don't have the sell sheet in front of me at the moment for reference.

Like he said-"that's not to say they won't be autos in Chrome"-meaning they may be in 2010 Bowman Chrome, NOT 2010 Bowman.

Not necessarily. He could have meant that they could also have autos in 2010 BC AS WELL as 2010 Bowman w/ Chrome.[/quote:1vk0le1n]

That isn't very likely at all, being he is still a "prospect". But that is just my opinion.[/quote:1vk0le1n]

Likelihood is irrelevant. The point is that while he would be in 2010 B w/C there is no guarantee he won't also be in 2010 BC.[/quote:1vk0le1n]

Well, lets use history as a guide. When has a "prospect"(meaning someone who hasn't appeared in the majors) had an auto in both Bowman w/chrome AND Bowman chrome in the same year?[/quote:1vk0le1n]

Regardless, he is not saying it will happen.

You made the claim that Starlin wouldn't be in 2010 Bowman w/ Chrome when it is in fact much more likely that he will be. It is way too early for them to be signing for 2010 BC and why would they be doing so while others are signing the very same day for 2010 Bowman?

 

[hail2thevictors]

Regardless, he is not saying it will happen.

You made the claim that Starlin wouldn't be in 2010 Bowman w/ Chrome when it is in fact much more likely that he will be. It is way too early for them to be signing for 2010 BC and why would they be doing so while others are signing the very same day for 2010 Bowman?

No, I never made the claim Starlin won't be in 2010 Bowman w/Chrome.

I did, however, say that there really is no hard evidence to this point that he is in Bowman w/chrome. I never said he won't be in it. In my opinion, I wouldn't expect him in Bowman w/chrome-but it's not out of the question. As I said in one of the first posts-I was laying devil's advocate. A lot of people read this and assume he's in Bowman w/chrome-I was just trying to say that there isn't much truth to that YET.

 

[pac213up]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Topps is charging distributors around the same price as last year, right? It just sorta bugs me that Topps finally puts out a really good product, and all of the value gets lost, somewhere in the chain. I'm not talking about Blowout in particular, as I don't order from them. I just get the feeling that my Hobby Shop is going to be killing me on boxes.

To me, this isn't a matter of supply and demand because I'm sure the price from topps proper hasn't changed.

In a system like this, how is it possible for the Manufacturer to provide added value to the consumer?

As it stands, there's literally nothing Topps can do to stuff more bang for the buck into a box, because the distributors and wholesalers will just jack up the price.

How many times has Topps randomly striped autographs from a Checklist for no damn reason at all? A month before Sale, they're there. On release, they're not.

This is why I like Panini's push away from online retailers that aren't mandated to pass savings/value onto the consumer.

Plenty of value was passed onto the consumer, you just had to buy in early. Most of these places are well beyond their original allocation and are paying over $875 per Jumbo case to restock and have supply on hand. It is actually very much about supply and demand with some greed gravy thrown on top like most business models.

 

[pigskincardboard]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Topps is charging distributors around the same price as last year, right? It just sorta bugs me that Topps finally puts out a really good product, and all of the value gets lost, somewhere in the chain. I'm not talking about Blowout in particular, as I don't order from them. I just get the feeling that my Hobby Shop is going to be killing me on boxes.

To me, this isn't a matter of supply and demand because I'm sure the price from topps proper hasn't changed.

In a system like this, how is it possible for the Manufacturer to provide added value to the consumer?

As it stands, there's literally nothing Topps can do to stuff more bang for the buck into a box, because the distributors and wholesalers will just jack up the price.

How many times has Topps randomly striped autographs from a Checklist for no damn reason at all? A month before Sale, they're there. On release, they're not.

This is why I like Panini's push away from online retailers that aren't mandated to pass savings/value onto the consumer.

Plenty of value was passed onto the consumer, you just had to buy in early. Most of these places are well beyond their original allocation and are paying over $875 per Jumbo case to restock and have supply on hand. It is actually very much about supply and demand with some greed gravy thrown on top like most business models.

Plenty of value was passed onto the case buyer, not the consumer.
I think Topps has passed control of their brand onto the distributors, which is a huge problem. As it stands, there's acting like they're a no-name manufacturer of widgets.

Topps can either be making more money, or providing more value.

As it stands, they're making less money while essentially, providing less value.

Sorry, for distributors and case buyers, this might be a great business model.

For Topps, it's beyond idiotic.

 

[All In Cards]

Topps sold out, whatelse do you want them to do, sell directly to you?

Econ 101 here. Supply/Demand.

The demand of 2010 bowman is much greater then the supply. So prices are going crazy.

 

[pigskincardboard]

Topps sold out, whatelse do you want them to do, sell directly to you?

Econ 101 here. Supply/Demand.

The demand of 2010 bowman is much greater then the supply. So prices are going crazy.

Thanks for the econ lesson. I'm not going to type out a long-arsed reply to what Topps should do because people won't care or understand.

With that said, it's a moronic approach for Topps.

 

[LazerShow15]

Lets just wait and see who is actually in the product. Prices are going through the roof, and I do not blame people for hiking up the prices. Being on regular bowman is one thing, being on a bowman chrome type card is another. Should be a fun May.

 

[cgilmo]

Topps sold out, whatelse do you want them to do, sell directly to you?

Econ 101 here. Supply/Demand.

The demand of 2010 bowman is much greater then the supply. So prices are going crazy.

Thanks for the econ lesson. I'm not going to type out a long-arsed reply to what Topps should do because people won't care or understand.

With that said, it's a moronic approach for Topps.

It would be different if these were items that the supply could be increased. It's not like they can just go make more.

 

[All In Cards]

Topps sold out, whatelse do you want them to do, sell directly to you?

Econ 101 here. Supply/Demand.

The demand of 2010 bowman is much greater then the supply. So prices are going crazy.

Thanks for the econ lesson. I'm not going to type out a long-arsed reply to what Topps should do because people won't care or understand.

With that said, it's a moronic approach for Topps.

Please, I would love to hear what you have to say.

 

[pac213up]

Plenty of value was passed onto the case buyer, not the consumer.
I think Topps has passed control of their brand onto the distributors, which is a huge problem. As it stands, there's acting like they're a no-name manufacturer of widgets.

Topps can either be making more money, or providing more value.

As it stands, they're making less money while essentially, providing less value.

Sorry, for distributors and case buyers, this might be a great business model.

For Topps, it's beyond idiotic.

I'm not sure what you would consider a consumer. Boxes could have also be ordered a month ago at significantly lower prices.

Unless Topps sells directly to the consumer you will see very little change. This goes for Panani, UD, ect. There will always be a middle man and a secondary market that is influenced by supply and demand before it gets to the consumer. Good products will rise in value as the hype machine runs rampant and weak products will stay flat and then drop after release.

 

[pigskincardboard]

[quote="All In Cards":2778bs0d]Topps sold out, whatelse do you want them to do, sell directly to you?

Econ 101 here. Supply/Demand.

The demand of 2010 bowman is much greater then the supply. So prices are going crazy.

Thanks for the econ lesson. I'm not going to type out a long-arsed reply to what Topps should do because people won't care or understand.

With that said, it's a moronic approach for Topps.

Please, I would love to hear what you have to say.[/quote:2778bs0d]

The quick answer:
Topps should make distributors and retailers their ******. Since their exclusive deal, they've essentially made one giant power grab, yet failed to capitalize on the increased leverage. As awful as the automotive industry has been, they do know how to build and protect a brand (even if that brand is crap).

When distributors are the only one with a variable rate of return, you're doing something wrong. At this juncture, it just doesn't make sense to limit risk, especially after a huge offensive push.

I know there are a lot of people that make their living by acting as a middleman, but with an exclusive license, Topps should consolidate operations.

 

[LazerShow15]

Is anybody concerned about over production of products now that Upper Deck will be out? This could be 1987-1994 again.

 

[bradical]

Is anybody concerned about over production of products now that Upper Deck will be out? This could be 1987-1994 again.

Most people are mainly concerned with the numbered parallels.

If the market becomes saturated with tons of base cards, graded cards will grab a premium.

 

[pac213up]

[quote="All In Cards":26tp6722]Topps sold out, whatelse do you want them to do, sell directly to you?

Econ 101 here. Supply/Demand.

The demand of 2010 bowman is much greater then the supply. So prices are going crazy.

Thanks for the econ lesson. I'm not going to type out a long-arsed reply to what Topps should do because people won't care or understand.

With that said, it's a moronic approach for Topps.

Please, I would love to hear what you have to say.

The quick answer:
Topps should make distributors and retailers their ******. Since their exclusive deal, they've essentially made one giant power grab, yet failed to capitalize on the increased leverage. As awful as the automotive industry has been, they do know how to build and protect a brand (even if that brand is crap).

When distributors are the only one with a variable rate of return, you're doing something wrong. At this juncture, it just doesn't make sense to limit risk, especially after a huge offensive push.

I know there are a lot of people that make their living by acting as a middleman, but with an exclusive license, Topps should consolidate operations.[/quote:26tp6722]

And how does this benefit the end consumer?

 

[cgilmo]

pigskincardboard

if you only knew how small distributor markup actually is...