While I agree with everything you said none of this will be fixed in small claims court and none of which will even be brought up in court as this is about what he is "out" money wise. Which is whatever the value is and both parties feel its in the area of $1,000 they offered a item worth $950. I understand the topps hate but to think this is some groundbreaking case that will turn the hobby on its ear or even change one thing for that matter isnt happening. And all over $50.
Welcome to our community
Be apart of something great, join today!
Suing topps!!!!!
- Thread starter BBCgalaxee
- Start date
Disclaimer: Links on this page pointing to Amazon, eBay and other sites may include affiliate code. If you click them and make a purchase, we may earn a small commission.
While I agree with everything you said none of this will be fixed in small claims court and none of which will even be brought up in court as this is about what he is "out" money wise. Which is whatever the value is and both parties feel its in the area of $1,000 they offered a item worth $950. I understand the topps hate but to think this is some groundbreaking case that will turn the hobby on its ear or even change one thing for that matter isnt happening. And all over $50.
sportscardtheory
Active member
Isn't this what we are discussing? You seem to want to validate it by saying 'That's just how it is.' That doesn't make it right.
sportscardtheory
Active member
I have no idea what you are responding to with this. I don't see ANYONE saying anything like this.
welcome back theory 
scotty216brs
Active member
Doesn't make it right but it will never be right. It's Topps. The only message we can send is to stop purchasing their products.
scotty216brs
Active member
I think what he is getting at is that someone suing Topps for $1000 is not going to change any of their business practices. They are going to continue what they have been doing for years regardless on if the Chapman fella wins this case or not. Like others in the thread have said it's good for someone to take a stand, but it isn't going to change anything.
nyc, do I have that correct?
Well beyond the BO forum (who seem more pumped then here about this) I see people here saying things like FINALLY and ITS ABOUT TIME. As if something will be changed here and like this is the supreme court ruling on this case. Its small claims people need to relax in general. But more so over at BO who seem to think this will change the world when in fact say he wins you know what happens? Not a single thing, business as usual. As a matter of fact I would think this isnt even their first case this month.
sportscardtheory
Active member
welcome back theory
What up, Chris. I was in Costa Rica for a couple weeks. Actually had a layover in ATL. lol That airport is like a small city.
sportscardtheory
Active member
Dude. It's a START. No one thinks that one, lowly small claims court case is going to make Topps stop screwing over it's customers. I don't know where all these CrAzY ExTrEmEs!!! are coming from. No one thinks this on the same level of Roe v. Wade.
It's a start, and if more people start doing it, then it could become a problem for Topps. That's it. That's why people are happy that someone put their foot down. Maybe it will kickstart something bigger.
scotty216brs
Active member
I know that, lol. But I highly doubt this is Topps' first rodeo.
sportscardtheory
Active member
Yeah, you are probably right. Nothing ever changes in this world. Everything always stays the same.
scotty216brs
Active member
True that.
SINFULONE
Active member
- Sep 26, 2008
- 5,691
- 0
How many Taveras orange refractors is he up to?
maxe0213
New member
I believe he has 16? I may be wrong though. I know its somewhere in that range though.
maxe0213
New member
People are saying that because it's nice to see someone actually standing up to Topps and trying to call them out on their shady business.
The point that most are trying to make is that if Chapmans can win then others may see that and decide that is realistic they could win and more and more of these cases could begin to pop up. If tons of these cases started popping up I'm sure Topps would take notice and would more than likely have to re evaluate.
I don't know why you are so down on this. What are you trying to do for this dying hobby? I would assume absolutely nothing nyc. Chapmans is at least trying which is a whole lot more than the nothing you are doing.
mchenrycards
Featured Contributor, Vintage Corner, Senior Membe
By posting this aren't you answering your own "question"?
I understand taking one for the collecting team but this sounds like you are going to lose. Topps offered you a something of equal value and you refused. It seems a judge might find that Topps tried to reasonably accommodate you and you didn't like what they were offering. I am sorry but I just don't see how you can win this.
I am down on what exactly? The guy was offered a case of cards which have sold for OVER what they agreed to (some in the past month have sold for over $1,000). So what exactly is he fighting for? Redemptions to be removed? In small claims court? While I am all for a good fight against the man lets be honest nothing will change or can change in small claims. Fun fact last orange Harper sold for $750...
Now there is no doubt this has sparked some great debate which I would hope can lead to change. Buy at this point no one was screwed. Now if they offered him a case which sells for 600 I would say he may have something. But once again he was offered a case which has sold in the past 30 days for more than the agreed value of the card, which in reality $250 more than the current market value of $750.
You want to stand up to them? Get on them on social media, email reps. That will make a difference. These cases pop up all the time and what has changed? Nothing. And in those cases those people got screwed and got far less than the current value etc. Heck off the top of my head I remember that dude taking Upper Deck to court and it had something to do with expired redemptions, what changed? I dont even think the guy got paid and he won by default when UD didnt show up.
Last edited:
NeedChapmans
New member
- Aug 19, 2012
- 62
- 0
No, I disagree. After seven months and over 150 hours on the phone with Topps, I received the offer of a Jumbo case of '13 Draft (even though since day one, I said no to wax). There is absolutely no way I am taking another case of cards from Topps after that long of a back and forth (in which they checked with their warehouse 100,000,000 times).
Every phone call, I was told Topps has no cards worth a damn for replacement, and today someone received a Russell Wilson Finest Auto /10 as a replacement for a Harper Sepia Topps Chrome auto. I can and WILL win this.
A_Pharis
Active member
Welcome to capitalism.
What may or may not be fair may still be within what a company is obligated to do.
NeedChapmans
New member
- Aug 19, 2012
- 62
- 0
When I redeemed the Harper, it was a $1,500 card. Are you suggesting that Topps should be allowed to send me a replacement at anytime during this time period, and can pick the lowest value the card is/was?
Also, you say get them on social media, email reps. You should know that I've emailed their president regularly (to the point where I'm now blocked), am in contact with an MLB executive about this situation; and was mentioned on Cardboard Connection radio spot tonight. Not bad for a days work I would think.
I'm fighting for a change in the redemption process; specifically a change in the way Topps handles redemptions and redemption replacements. They theory behind the process is fine; but no one can argue Topps does an even average job at taking care of it's customers requests for replacements.
