The final word on the 2010 Bowman Wrapper Redemption

[SeattleSports]

The fact remains...Topps has lied and misled everyone this year regarding most of their baseball products.

Whether you choose to believe it or not is another story.

They didn't intentionally deceive.

It's sort of like this:

All throughout junior and senior high school, I never studied very much - just enough to get myself to college. Once I got there, all of my BSing couldn't get me a passing grade so I had to actually do work to succeed.

That describes the situation with Topps.

They are in college right now and have yet to open the text books to study.

If those books remain closed, then they will fail out of school.

This is totally horse crap...
They stated the USA buybacks were in packs. They knew one week prior to ship they werent in there and said nothing.
Its a LIE by OMISSION. They're lucky there hasnt been a lawsuit........ yet.
BG

Exactly.

They advertised it was in packs and even had the toppscards on twitter saying that people always say they are not in there after the day of release, but keep opening and they'll show up!

Advertising a big set was included, and even after release insisting it was included when it wasnt is complete and utter ********.

 

[James52411]

The lawsuit talk regarding the USA buybacks not being inserted in packs is a bit silly. I don't see there really being any damages, particularly since the wrapper redemption program exists. I'm actually happy they did it this way as it provides a bonus not only for box sellers but also for folks who rip chrome and can now get extra value out of a box.

 

[Leaf]

The lawsuit talk regarding the USA buybacks not being inserted in packs is a bit silly. I don't see there really being any damages, particularly since the wrapper redemption program exists. I'm actually happy they did it this way as it provides a bonus not only for box sellers but also for folks who rip chrome and can now get extra value out of a box.

The wrapper redemption program does NOT eliminate the damage of blatant false and misleading advertising.
While one person's damage is miniscule, the collective damages are massive. More importantly, the punitive damages could be substantial. See the post above by the astute member that points out Topps' misleading tweets even after release.

I certainly am not saying to sue anyone...
The hobby doesnt need those black eyes of public fighting...
It needs crap like this to just stop.
BG

 

[Crash Davis]

The fact remains...Topps has lied and misled everyone this year regarding most of their baseball products.

Whether you choose to believe it or not is another story.

They didn't intentionally deceive.

It's sort of like this:

All throughout junior and senior high school, I never studied very much - just enough to get myself to college. Once I got there, all of my BSing couldn't get me a passing grade so I had to actually do work to succeed.

That describes the situation with Topps.

They are in college right now and have yet to open the text books to study.

If those books remain closed, then they will fail out of school.

This is totally horse crap...
They stated the USA buybacks were in packs. They knew one week prior to ship they werent in there and said nothing.
Its a LIE by OMISSION. They're lucky there hasnt been a lawsuit........ yet.
BG

You proved my point.

You, as an OWNER of a competitor, have no business making these types of comments on a thread like this. It seems like a conflict of interest to me.

Having a "relationship", as you put it, IS FAR DIFFERENT than being the owner of a competitor.

Lastly, I'm interested as to how you know that Topps knew one week prior to shipment of the product that the buybacks weren't in the product. I really hope that you're right because if you are making that up...well...I won't go there.

 

[Crash Davis]

The lawsuit talk regarding the USA buybacks not being inserted in packs is a bit silly. I don't see there really being any damages, particularly since the wrapper redemption program exists. I'm actually happy they did it this way as it provides a bonus not only for box sellers but also for folks who rip chrome and can now get extra value out of a box.

The wrapper redemption program does NOT eliminate the damage of blatant false and misleading advertising.
While one person's damage is miniscule, the collective damages are massive. More importantly, the punitive damages could be substantial. See the post above by the astute member that points out Topps' misleading tweets even after release.

I certainly am not saying to sue anyone...
The hobby doesnt need those black eyes of public fighting...
It needs crap like this to just stop.
BG

Brian - I didn't know that you were a lawyer. Which law school did you graduate from?

 

[gogosox40]

^ dude really?

IBL

 

[Leaf]

[quote="Crash Davis":2e9b746a]

The fact remains...Topps has lied and misled everyone this year regarding most of their baseball products.

Whether you choose to believe it or not is another story.

They didn't intentionally deceive.

It's sort of like this:

All throughout junior and senior high school, I never studied very much - just enough to get myself to college. Once I got there, all of my BSing couldn't get me a passing grade so I had to actually do work to succeed.

That describes the situation with Topps.

They are in college right now and have yet to open the text books to study.

If those books remain closed, then they will fail out of school.

This is totally horse crap...
They stated the USA buybacks were in packs. They knew one week prior to ship they werent in there and said nothing.
Its a LIE by OMISSION. They're lucky there hasnt been a lawsuit........ yet.
BG

You proved my point.

You, as an OWNER of a competitor, have no business making these types of comments on a thread like this. It seems like a conflict of interest to me.

Having a "relationship", as you put it, IS FAR DIFFERENT than being the owner of a competitor.

Lastly, I'm interested as to how you know that Topps knew one week prior to shipment of the product that the buybacks weren't in the product. I really hope that you're right because if you are making that up...well...I won't go there.[/quote:2e9b746a]

#1- OPEN YOUR FRIGGIN' EARS. I BOUGHT CASES AND WAS MISLED. IF YOU DONT LIKE THAT IM UPSET, BUG OFF!

#2- To make you feel better, it is THEIR JOB to KNOW if they didnt put the cards in. If they forgot to put in, they should have opened and repackaged the goods (which they never would to cut corners and save $). Under NO CIRCUMSTANCE, should they post on their twitter account to keep breaking as they are definately in there! Regardless, it is false advertising plain and simple. I am sure Tylenol didnt know someone tampered with their packaging and poisoned the unsuspecting public, but that didnt prevent massive pain when it came time for them to settle the lawsuits (and rebuild their reputation)

BG

 

[Leaf]

The lawsuit talk regarding the USA buybacks not being inserted in packs is a bit silly. I don't see there really being any damages, particularly since the wrapper redemption program exists. I'm actually happy they did it this way as it provides a bonus not only for box sellers but also for folks who rip chrome and can now get extra value out of a box.

The wrapper redemption program does NOT eliminate the damage of blatant false and misleading advertising.
While one person's damage is miniscule, the collective damages are massive. More importantly, the punitive damages could be substantial. See the post above by the astute member that points out Topps' misleading tweets even after release.

I certainly am not saying to sue anyone...
The hobby doesnt need those black eyes of public fighting...
It needs crap like this to just stop.
BG

Brian - I didn't know that you were a lawyer. Which law school did you graduate from?

Did you know that people with money are actually allowed to call lawyers for opinions?
BG

 

[Crash Davis]

[quote="Crash Davis":1mx6n9yw]

The fact remains...Topps has lied and misled everyone this year regarding most of their baseball products.

Whether you choose to believe it or not is another story.

They didn't intentionally deceive.

It's sort of like this:

All throughout junior and senior high school, I never studied very much - just enough to get myself to college. Once I got there, all of my BSing couldn't get me a passing grade so I had to actually do work to succeed.

That describes the situation with Topps.

They are in college right now and have yet to open the text books to study.

If those books remain closed, then they will fail out of school.

This is totally horse crap...
They stated the USA buybacks were in packs. They knew one week prior to ship they werent in there and said nothing.
Its a LIE by OMISSION. They're lucky there hasnt been a lawsuit........ yet.
BG

You proved my point.

You, as an OWNER of a competitor, have no business making these types of comments on a thread like this. It seems like a conflict of interest to me.

Having a "relationship", as you put it, IS FAR DIFFERENT than being the owner of a competitor.

Lastly, I'm interested as to how you know that Topps knew one week prior to shipment of the product that the buybacks weren't in the product. I really hope that you're right because if you are making that up...well...I won't go there.

#1- OPEN YOUR FRIGGIN' EARS. I BOUGHT CASES AND WAS MISLED. IF YOU DONT LIKE THAT IM UPSET, BUG OFF!

#2- To make you feel better, it is THEIR JOB to KNOW if they didnt put the cards in. If they forgot to put in, they should have opened and repackaged the goods (which they never would to cut corners and save $). Under NO CIRCUMSTANCE, should they post on their twitter account to keep breaking as they are definately in there! Regardless, it is false advertising plain and simple. I am sure Tylenol didnt know someone tampered with their packaging and poisoned the unsuspecting public, but that didnt prevent massive pain when it came time for them to settle the lawsuits (and rebuild their reputation)

BG[/quote:1mx6n9yw]

Brian. My ears are open. I hear you bought cases. But, it's not the point. You word will always be as the Owner of Leaf. You can't go back to just being Joe Customer.

Secondly, you're right - it's their job to know. But you said they knew one week before release that they knew. I asked how you knew that to be true. You didn't answer.

But I think we agree on something here...The Tweets that they sent out regarding the USA buybacks were irresponsible. In fact, a lot of their Tweets are disjointed. I am not a fan of their Tweeting. I find it juvenile and naive.

I like Gilmore's tweets on behalf of FCB because he knows cards. The guy who Tweets for Topps obviously doesn't know very much about cards, because if he did the prizes he gives out for his contests would be far better than the $2-3 crap relic cards they parade around. The bounty cards are nice, though. That I must admit. But the other contests they hold - the prizes are total horseshyt.

 

[Crash Davis]

The lawsuit talk regarding the USA buybacks not being inserted in packs is a bit silly. I don't see there really being any damages, particularly since the wrapper redemption program exists. I'm actually happy they did it this way as it provides a bonus not only for box sellers but also for folks who rip chrome and can now get extra value out of a box.

The wrapper redemption program does NOT eliminate the damage of blatant false and misleading advertising.
While one person's damage is miniscule, the collective damages are massive. More importantly, the punitive damages could be substantial. See the post above by the astute member that points out Topps' misleading tweets even after release.

I certainly am not saying to sue anyone...
The hobby doesnt need those black eyes of public fighting...
It needs crap like this to just stop.
BG

Brian - I didn't know that you were a lawyer. Which law school did you graduate from?

Did you know that people with money are actually allowed to call lawyers for opinions?
BG

Actually, people without money can call Lawyers for opinions, as well.

Whether or not they give one to you is their choice.

 

[Leaf]

[quote="Crash Davis":1htc499x]

The lawsuit talk regarding the USA buybacks not being inserted in packs is a bit silly. I don't see there really being any damages, particularly since the wrapper redemption program exists. I'm actually happy they did it this way as it provides a bonus not only for box sellers but also for folks who rip chrome and can now get extra value out of a box.

The wrapper redemption program does NOT eliminate the damage of blatant false and misleading advertising.
While one person's damage is miniscule, the collective damages are massive. More importantly, the punitive damages could be substantial. See the post above by the astute member that points out Topps' misleading tweets even after release.

I certainly am not saying to sue anyone...
The hobby doesnt need those black eyes of public fighting...
It needs crap like this to just stop.
BG

Brian - I didn't know that you were a lawyer. Which law school did you graduate from?

Did you know that people with money are actually allowed to call lawyers for opinions?
BG

Actually, people without money can call Lawyers for opinions, as well.

Whether or not they give one to you is their choice.[/quote:1htc499x]

LOL....
They answer when I call. I guess the $300/hr I waste does the trick.

Crash, nothing against you personally. I am only pissed because I collect/invest in Chrome. Pisses me off to be misled because NO OTHER companies would get away with it. I just don't understand why people refuse to be sympathetic to people who feel (and were, even if unintentionally) misled.

BG

 

[craftysouthpaw]

I guarantee you the Better Business Bureau would be interested in a company that generates pre-sales based upon XYZ, but then pulls out Z without notification. So the lawyer talk isn't silly at all and it wouldn't be that hard to prove damages - at least until the whole wrapper redemption comes into play. That would obviously muddy the waters.

 

[Crash Davis]

[quote="Crash Davis":256nsv0x]

The lawsuit talk regarding the USA buybacks not being inserted in packs is a bit silly. I don't see there really being any damages, particularly since the wrapper redemption program exists. I'm actually happy they did it this way as it provides a bonus not only for box sellers but also for folks who rip chrome and can now get extra value out of a box.

The wrapper redemption program does NOT eliminate the damage of blatant false and misleading advertising.
While one person's damage is miniscule, the collective damages are massive. More importantly, the punitive damages could be substantial. See the post above by the astute member that points out Topps' misleading tweets even after release.

I certainly am not saying to sue anyone...
The hobby doesnt need those black eyes of public fighting...
It needs crap like this to just stop.
BG

Brian - I didn't know that you were a lawyer. Which law school did you graduate from?

Did you know that people with money are actually allowed to call lawyers for opinions?
BG

Actually, people without money can call Lawyers for opinions, as well.

Whether or not they give one to you is their choice.

LOL....
They answer when I call. I guess the $300/hr I waste does the trick.

Crash, nothing against you personally. I am only pissed because I collect/invest in Chrome. Pisses me off to be misled because NO OTHER companies would get away with it. I just don't understand why people refuse to be sympathetic to people who feel (and were, even if unintentionally) misled.

BG[/quote:256nsv0x]

$300 per hour? Man, I have a lot of friends and colleagues who are lawyers, so I don't pay for my legal advice, not that I have needed any.

I understand your gripe speaking from a collector's perspective.

In this day and age, it's a shame that the quality control can't be better than it is. Maybe they should outsource it to India.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

The lawsuit talk regarding the USA buybacks not being inserted in packs is a bit silly. I don't see there really being any damages, particularly since the wrapper redemption program exists. I'm actually happy they did it this way as it provides a bonus not only for box sellers but also for folks who rip chrome and can now get extra value out of a box.

The wrapper redemption program does NOT eliminate the damage of blatant false and misleading advertising.
While one person's damage is miniscule, the collective damages are massive. More importantly, the punitive damages could be substantial. See the post above by the astute member that points out Topps' misleading tweets even after release.

I certainly am not saying to sue anyone...
The hobby doesnt need those black eyes of public fighting...
It needs crap like this to just stop.
BG

Brian - I didn't know that you were a lawyer. Which law school did you graduate from?

Did you know that people with money are actually allowed to call lawyers for opinions?
BG

You rang?

 

[Bob Loblaw]

[quote="Crash Davis":2oq0elh1]

The lawsuit talk regarding the USA buybacks not being inserted in packs is a bit silly. I don't see there really being any damages, particularly since the wrapper redemption program exists. I'm actually happy they did it this way as it provides a bonus not only for box sellers but also for folks who rip chrome and can now get extra value out of a box.

The wrapper redemption program does NOT eliminate the damage of blatant false and misleading advertising.
While one person's damage is miniscule, the collective damages are massive. More importantly, the punitive damages could be substantial. See the post above by the astute member that points out Topps' misleading tweets even after release.

I certainly am not saying to sue anyone...
The hobby doesnt need those black eyes of public fighting...
It needs crap like this to just stop.
BG

Brian - I didn't know that you were a lawyer. Which law school did you graduate from?

Did you know that people with money are actually allowed to call lawyers for opinions?
BG

Actually, people without money can call Lawyers for opinions, as well.

Whether or not they give one to you is their choice.

LOL....
They answer when I call. I guess the $300/hr I waste does the trick.

Crash, nothing against you personally. I am only pissed because I collect/invest in Chrome. Pisses me off to be misled because NO OTHER companies would get away with it. I just don't understand why people refuse to be sympathetic to people who feel (and were, even if unintentionally) misled.

BG[/quote:2oq0elh1]

If you have any work in Fl, my rate's about $250 - LMK.

 

[Leaf]

[quote="Crash Davis":130ypo50]

[quote="Crash Davis":130ypo50]

The lawsuit talk regarding the USA buybacks not being inserted in packs is a bit silly. I don't see there really being any damages, particularly since the wrapper redemption program exists. I'm actually happy they did it this way as it provides a bonus not only for box sellers but also for folks who rip chrome and can now get extra value out of a box.

The wrapper redemption program does NOT eliminate the damage of blatant false and misleading advertising.
While one person's damage is miniscule, the collective damages are massive. More importantly, the punitive damages could be substantial. See the post above by the astute member that points out Topps' misleading tweets even after release.

I certainly am not saying to sue anyone...
The hobby doesnt need those black eyes of public fighting...
It needs crap like this to just stop.
BG

Brian - I didn't know that you were a lawyer. Which law school did you graduate from?

Did you know that people with money are actually allowed to call lawyers for opinions?
BG

Actually, people without money can call Lawyers for opinions, as well.

Whether or not they give one to you is their choice.

LOL....
They answer when I call. I guess the $300/hr I waste does the trick.

Crash, nothing against you personally. I am only pissed because I collect/invest in Chrome. Pisses me off to be misled because NO OTHER companies would get away with it. I just don't understand why people refuse to be sympathetic to people who feel (and were, even if unintentionally) misled.

BG[/quote:130ypo50]

$300 per hour? Man, I have a lot of friends and colleagues who are lawyers, so I don't pay for my legal advice, not that I have needed any.

I understand your gripe speaking from a collector's perspective.

In this day and age, it's a shame that the quality control can't be better than it is. Maybe they should outsource it to India.[/quote:130ypo50]

I actually pay $225-450 depending on the subject and the lawyer, my intellectual property guys charge mondo bucks!
I guess thats what a top 5 law firm gets ya for!

Honestly, Topps and Leaf are the only two companies that make can make "Chrome" style cards now (we call it metal).
In their defense, we too are having quality problems however we are not going to release anything until everything is just right.
BG

p.s.- I was speaking as a collector/investor. My only gripe as a manufacturer is that my customers are hurt by this whole unfortunate situation.

 

[Ndepaul99]

I guarantee you the Better Business Bureau would be interested in a company that generates pre-sales based upon XYZ, but then pulls out Z without notification. So the lawyer talk isn't silly at all and it wouldn't be that hard to prove damages - at least until the whole wrapper redemption comes into play. That would obviously muddy the waters.

Its obvious they dont care about there rating with the better business bureau, check out the link below:

http://www.dc.bbb.org/report.html?natio ... =S10014615


Nice "F" rating Topps! Found it kind of funny.

 

[Crash Davis]

[quote="Crash Davis":24ffzvcm]

[quote="Crash Davis":24ffzvcm]

[quote="James52411":24ffzvcm]The lawsuit talk regarding the USA buybacks not being inserted in packs is a bit silly. I don't see there really being any damages, particularly since the wrapper redemption program exists. I'm actually happy they did it this way as it provides a bonus not only for box sellers but also for folks who rip chrome and can now get extra value out of a box.

The wrapper redemption program does NOT eliminate the damage of blatant false and misleading advertising.
While one person's damage is miniscule, the collective damages are massive. More importantly, the punitive damages could be substantial. See the post above by the astute member that points out Topps' misleading tweets even after release.

I certainly am not saying to sue anyone...
The hobby doesnt need those black eyes of public fighting...
It needs crap like this to just stop.
BG

Brian - I didn't know that you were a lawyer. Which law school did you graduate from?

Did you know that people with money are actually allowed to call lawyers for opinions?
BG

Actually, people without money can call Lawyers for opinions, as well.

Whether or not they give one to you is their choice.

LOL....
They answer when I call. I guess the $300/hr I waste does the trick.

Crash, nothing against you personally. I am only pissed because I collect/invest in Chrome. Pisses me off to be misled because NO OTHER companies would get away with it. I just don't understand why people refuse to be sympathetic to people who feel (and were, even if unintentionally) misled.

BG[/quote:24ffzvcm]

$300 per hour? Man, I have a lot of friends and colleagues who are lawyers, so I don't pay for my legal advice, not that I have needed any.

I understand your gripe speaking from a collector's perspective.

In this day and age, it's a shame that the quality control can't be better than it is. Maybe they should outsource it to India.[/quote:24ffzvcm]

I actually pay $225-450 depending on the subject and the lawyer, my intellectual property guys charge mondo bucks!
I guess thats what a top 5 law firm gets ya for!

Honestly, Topps and Leaf are the only two companies that make can make "Chrome" style cards now (we call it metal).
In their defense, we too are having quality problems however we are not going to release anything until everything is just right.
BG

p.s.- I was speaking as a collector/investor. My only gripe as a manufacturer is that my customers are hurt by this whole unfortunate situation.[/quote:24ffzvcm]

Let's all agree on this: WE ALL LOVE BASEBALL CARDS!

 

[James52411]

I do not see any law firm devoting any serious resources to this. The damages, if any, are unlikely to make it worthwhile. For those who might want to know, I am a lawyer, though I don't care to tout that fact on these boards.

 

[Leaf]

[quote="Crash Davis":lh27o55c]

[quote="Crash Davis":lh27o55c]

[quote="Crash Davis":lh27o55c]

[quote="James52411":lh27o55c]The lawsuit talk regarding the USA buybacks not being inserted in packs is a bit silly. I don't see there really being any damages, particularly since the wrapper redemption program exists. I'm actually happy they did it this way as it provides a bonus not only for box sellers but also for folks who rip chrome and can now get extra value out of a box.

The wrapper redemption program does NOT eliminate the damage of blatant false and misleading advertising.
While one person's damage is miniscule, the collective damages are massive. More importantly, the punitive damages could be substantial. See the post above by the astute member that points out Topps' misleading tweets even after release.

I certainly am not saying to sue anyone...
The hobby doesnt need those black eyes of public fighting...
It needs crap like this to just stop.
BG

Brian - I didn't know that you were a lawyer. Which law school did you graduate from?

Did you know that people with money are actually allowed to call lawyers for opinions?
BG

Actually, people without money can call Lawyers for opinions, as well.

Whether or not they give one to you is their choice.

LOL....
They answer when I call. I guess the $300/hr I waste does the trick.

Crash, nothing against you personally. I am only pissed because I collect/invest in Chrome. Pisses me off to be misled because NO OTHER companies would get away with it. I just don't understand why people refuse to be sympathetic to people who feel (and were, even if unintentionally) misled.

BG[/quote:lh27o55c]

$300 per hour? Man, I have a lot of friends and colleagues who are lawyers, so I don't pay for my legal advice, not that I have needed any.

I understand your gripe speaking from a collector's perspective.

In this day and age, it's a shame that the quality control can't be better than it is. Maybe they should outsource it to India.[/quote:lh27o55c]

I actually pay $225-450 depending on the subject and the lawyer, my intellectual property guys charge mondo bucks!
I guess thats what a top 5 law firm gets ya for!

Honestly, Topps and Leaf are the only two companies that make can make "Chrome" style cards now (we call it metal).
In their defense, we too are having quality problems however we are not going to release anything until everything is just right.
BG

p.s.- I was speaking as a collector/investor. My only gripe as a manufacturer is that my customers are hurt by this whole unfortunate situation.[/quote:lh27o55c]

Let's all agree on this: WE ALL LOVE BASEBALL CARDS![/quote:lh27o55c]

+1
Yes, we agree!
I retire (lol)....
BG