Top 15 All-Time in MLB history...STARTING PITCHER

[Mozzie22]

Bob Gibson & Sandy Koufax should be in the mix

No doubt! Gibson still has the lowest ERA in a season with 300+ IP. That is a record that will never be broken.

Pedro Martinez 2000 ERA+ 291
Bob Gibson 1968 ERA+ 258

Just comparing seasons, Pedro was better by a fairly substantial margin.

Bob Gibson is aguably the greatest post game pitcher of all time. He started 9 games, pitched 8 complete games, and had a post season ERA of 1.89. I'd take big game Bob over Pedro any day.

 

[crowhop]

Bob Gibson & Sandy Koufax should be in the mix

No doubt! Gibson still has the lowest ERA in a season with 300+ IP. That is a record that will never be broken.

Pedro Martinez 2000 ERA+ 291
Bob Gibson 1968 ERA+ 258

Just comparing seasons, Pedro was better by a fairly substantial margin.

Bob Gibson is aguably the greatest post game pitcher of all time. He started 9 games, pitched 8 complete games, and had a post season ERA of 1.89. I'd take big game Bob over Pedro any day.

Homer? Just a smidge?

haha...I kid.

 

[Mozzie22]

Bob Gibson & Sandy Koufax should be in the mix

No doubt! Gibson still has the lowest ERA in a season with 300+ IP. That is a record that will never be broken.

Pedro Martinez 2000 ERA+ 291
Bob Gibson 1968 ERA+ 258

Just comparing seasons, Pedro was better by a fairly substantial margin.

Bob Gibson is aguably the greatest post game pitcher of all time. He started 9 games, pitched 8 complete games, and had a post season ERA of 1.89. I'd take big game Bob over Pedro any day.

Homer? Just a smidge?

haha...I kid.

LOL! Just a smidge.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Any top 10 list, let alone a top 15 list that doesn't have Randy Johnson on it lacks all credibility.

Also when combining both dead-ball and live-ball pitchers it's impossible to project accurately. Baseball is clearly divided in two defined eras, so I'm of the belief that the lists after to be divided by era.

 

[jbone17]

Cy Young was by far the best pitcher ever. Lefty Grove was probably second followed by Walter Johnson at third. Let me tell you guys something, how is overrated taken for granted when the man has 7 no hitters. Yes, I am referring to Nolan Ryan. He could of had 12 if he didn't play for such garbage teams. Yes, Ryan's record was 314-293, with 5,714K's let me add, but no he is not overrated. Will someone ever throw 7 no hitters again? Not a chance in hell. If Ryan played for a high profile team, then sure he could have been a 350 game winner easily. How many one run games did he lose in his career? Many. Ryan is not overrated and I just laugh at people who even think about that. :lol:

 

[Bornagaincollector]

I can only vote for the Pitchers i seen.

1.Greg Maddux
2.Roger Clemens [I don't roids added to his numbers that much]
3.Randy Johnson
4.Pedro Martine
5.Nolan Ryan
6.Tom Glavine
7.Steve Carlton
8.Fregie Jenkins
9.John Smotz [If he would have only been a starter,he would be ranked higher] :?
10.Don Sutton

 

[matfanofold]

Nolan Ryan certinly deserves to be in the top 15.


Not only does he have the credentals, but just look at his carear. He pitched productivly for 4 decades! He was a work horse flame thrower till he retired! How many wins did he have? How many no hitters?? How many K's?? All of this on a bunch of sub par teams. You can not even accurately compare him to the pitchers of past getting 45 -65 or more starts a year. Nolan was as dominant as pitchers get. He had a fast ball like no other and work ethics few have ever achieved. He is the pinnacle of what one should aspire to as being a pitcher and to say he does not belong in this discussion is fruitless at best, down right ignorant at worst.

 

[scotty21690]

Nolan Ryan certinly deserves to be in the top 15.


Not only does he have the credentals, but just look at his carear. He pitched productivly for 4 decades! He was a work horse flame thrower till he retired! How many wins did he have? How many no hitters?? How many K's?? All of this on a bunch of sub par teams. You can not even accurately compare him to the pitchers of past getting 45 -65 or more starts a year. Nolan was as dominant as pitchers get. He had a fast ball like no other and work ethics few have ever achieved. He is the pinnacle of what one should aspire to as being a pitcher and to say he does not belong in this discussion is fruitless at best, down right ignorant at worst.

How many losses did he have?
How many walks?? [Sure he struck out a ton, but his K/BB is certainly nothing to brag about]

Dominant was Sandy Koufax or Pedro in his prime...I would not call Nolan Ryan dominant. If he were, he would have a Cy and his ERA+ would be higher than 111 and his WHIP lower than it is

I'm not saying he wouldn't be in my top 15 and that he wasn't a great pitcher, but he IS overrated. People think he is the greatest pitcher of all time, in which he is not in the top 5/10 top pitchers of all time.

 

[thefasterblade]

 

[crowhop]

How many one run games did he lose in his career? Many.

Yes. If he had allowed two less runs in those games, he would have an astronomical record.

 

[muskiesfan]

Another fun one. I wish that I had taken part in all of them.

1. Lefty Grove- 300-141, 68% WP, 148 ERA+, 2266 Ks, 1.278 WHIP, 35 SHO

2. Walter Johnson- 417-279, 60% WP, 147 ERA+, 3509 Ks, 1.061 WHIP, 110 SHO

3. Cy Young- 511-316, 62% WP, 138 ERA+, 2803 Ks, 1.130 WHIP, 76 SHO

4. Christy Mathewson- 373-188, 66% WP, 135 ERA+, 2502 Ks, 1.059 WHIP, 79 SHO

5. Pete Alexander- 373-208, 64% WP, 135 ERA+, 2198 Ks, 1.121 WHIP, 90 SHO

6. Pedro Martinez- 214-99, 68% WP, 154 ERA+, 3117 Ks, 1.051 WHIP, 17 SHO

7. Randy Johnson- 295-160, 65% WP, 137 ERA+, 4789 Ks, 1.167 WHIP, 37 SHO

8. Sandy Koufax- 165-87, 65% WP, 131 ERA+, 2396 Ks, 1.106 WHIP, 40 SHO

9. Greg Maddux- 355-227, 61% WP, 132 ERA+, 3371 Ks, 1.143 WHIP, 35 SHO

10. Tom Seaver- 311-205, 60% WP, 127 ERA+, 3640 Ks, 1.121 WHIP, 61 SHO

11. Warren Spahn- 363-245, 60% WP, 118 ERA+, 2583 Ks, 1.195 WHIP, 63 SHO

12. Bob Feller- 266-162, 62% WP, 122 ERA+, 2581 Ks, 1.316 WHIP, 44 SHO

13. Bob Gibson- 251-174, 59% WP, 127 ERA+, 3117 Ks, 1.188 WHIP, 56 SHO

14. Nolan Ryan- 324-292, 53% WP, 111 ERA+, 5714 Ks, 1.247 WHIP, 61 SHO

15. Steve Carlton- 329-244, 57% WP, 115 ERA+, 4136 Ks, 1.247 WHIP, 55 SHO


This was a tough one. It was hard not putting Randy or Pedro in the top 5. If Pedro could have stayed healthy the last couple of seasons, I could only imagine what his numbers would be. I’m hoping Randy cracks 300 Ws this year. I would like to see him play another season or two to go ahead and reach 5000ks as well.


Joe

 

[scotty21690]

Nice list Joe!

 

[crowhop]

Another fun one. I wish that I had taken part in all of them.

1. Lefty Grove- 300-141, 68% WP, 148 ERA+, 2266 Ks, 1.278 WHIP, 35 SHO

2. Walter Johnson- 417-279, 60% WP, 147 ERA+, 3509 Ks, 1.061 WHIP, 110 SHO

3. Cy Young- 511-316, 62% WP, 138 ERA+, 2803 Ks, 1.130 WHIP, 76 SHO

4. Christy Mathewson- 373-188, 66% WP, 135 ERA+, 2502 Ks, 1.059 WHIP, 79 SHO

5. Pete Alexander- 373-208, 64% WP, 135 ERA+, 2198 Ks, 1.121 WHIP, 90 SHO

6. Pedro Martinez- 214-99, 68% WP, 154 ERA+, 3117 Ks, 1.051 WHIP, 17 SHO

7. Randy Johnson- 295-160, 65% WP, 137 ERA+, 4789 Ks, 1.167 WHIP, 37 SHO

8. Sandy Koufax- 165-87, 65% WP, 131 ERA+, 2396 Ks, 1.106 WHIP, 40 SHO

9. Greg Maddux- 355-227, 61% WP, 132 ERA+, 3371 Ks, 1.143 WHIP, 35 SHO

10. Tom Seaver- 311-205, 60% WP, 127 ERA+, 3640 Ks, 1.121 WHIP, 61 SHO

11. Warren Spahn- 363-245, 60% WP, 118 ERA+, 2583 Ks, 1.195 WHIP, 63 SHO

12. Bob Feller- 266-162, 62% WP, 122 ERA+, 2581 Ks, 1.316 WHIP, 44 SHO

13. Bob Gibson- 251-174, 59% WP, 127 ERA+, 3117 Ks, 1.188 WHIP, 56 SHO

14. Nolan Ryan- 324-292, 53% WP, 111 ERA+, 5714 Ks, 1.247 WHIP, 61 SHO

15. Steve Carlton- 329-244, 57% WP, 115 ERA+, 4136 Ks, 1.247 WHIP, 55 SHO


This was a tough one. It was hard not putting Randy or Pedro in the top 5. If Pedro could have stayed healthy the last couple of seasons, I could only imagine what his numbers would be. I’m hoping Randy cracks 300 Ws this year. I would like to see him play another season or two to go ahead and reach 5000ks as well.


Joe

WOW! Nice list.

That's my Top 5. Still working on mine, though.

 

[Mozzie22]

Cy Young was by far the best pitcher ever. Lefty Grove was probably second followed by Walter Johnson at third. Let me tell you guys something, how is overrated taken for granted when the man has 7 no hitters. Yes, I am referring to Nolan Ryan. He could of had 12 if he didn't play for such garbage teams. Yes, Ryan's record was 314-293, with 5,714K's let me add, but no he is not overrated. Will someone ever throw 7 no hitters again? Not a chance in hell. If Ryan played for a high profile team, then sure he could have been a 350 game winner easily. How many one run games did he lose in his career? Many. Ryan is not overrated and I just laugh at people who even think about that. :lol:

Cy Young is not the best pitcher ever. If you read anything published from that era it is universally agreed that he, although a great pitcher, simply wasn't as good as Johnson or Mathewson. Why do you think that Cy Young wasn't included in the first HOF vote. It wasn't because they were leaving pitchers off of the list, two of the five were pitchers and what were the names of those two pitchers? I forget...

Nolan Ryan was a fantastic pitcher but he is overrated. Who cares how many "no-hitters" someone had. It is 7 great games. He pitched for a million years at a high level, that is his greatest attribute, not number of no hitters.

Lets look at some of the "immortals" that threw the impossible no hitter. Names like: Kent Merker, Scott Erickson, Jose Jimenez, Eric Milton... it's a virtual who's who of pitching legends.

 

[muskiesfan]

Thanks a lot guys. I had a great time working on this list. I don't see how anyone can argue who the top 5 are. Placement maybe, but not who belongs there.

As far as Nolan Ryan, 7 No-nos is great and all, but I am more impressed by Walter Johnson's 110 career shut outs. I would take a picther who stops the other team from scoring 110 times any day over a pitcher that will no hit them 7 times. Pete Alexander threw 90 shut outs. That's just amazing.




Joe

 

[darocker80]

Randy Johnson, Greg Maddux, Pedro Martinez, Nolan Ryan, CY Young, Walter Johnson, Lefty Grove, Sandy Kourfax, Bob Gibson, soon to be tim lincecum

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Thanks a lot guys. I had a great time working on this list. I don't see how anyone can argue who the top 5 are. Placement maybe, but not who belongs there.

As far as Nolan Ryan, 7 No-nos is great and all, but I am more impressed by Walter Johnson's 110 career shut outs. I would take a picther who stops the other team from scoring 110 times any day over a pitcher that will no hit them 7 times. Pete Alexander threw 90 shut outs. That's just amazing.




Joe

Again, we can't overlook the era in which Walter Johnson, Mathewson, Cy Young, Pete Alexander, etc...pitched. Shutouts in those era were far more common than they are now.

 

[Wes]

I can only vote for the Pitchers i seen.

1.Greg Maddux
2.Roger Clemens [I don't roids added to his numbers that much]
3.Randy Johnson
4.Pedro Martine
5.Nolan Ryan
6.Tom Glavine
7.Steve Carlton
8.Fregie Jenkins
9.John Smotz [If he would have only been a starter,he would be ranked higher] :?
10.Don Sutton

Roids took a full run off Clemens' ERA for the years he was using according to several sources.

 

[Wes]

I would have Satchel on my list.

 

[abncollectsautos]

this is one of the more questionable polls. depends on who you like. since we added bonds and arod in their respectivecategories, got to consider clemens in the top 10. i think i agree nolan ryan isnt top 10. but i also agree that clemens, pedro, maddux, and randy johnson are among the best simply because i dont know anything about pitchers like lefty grove, cy young, and matthewson.

i think cy young is the career leader in wins and losses. kinda makes you think he pitched every other day and the starter was either the winner or loser, not some bullpen guy. once again i dont know.