Ugh Accidentally bought a redeemed redemption card.

[markakis8]

I can't believe someone is willing to risk their reputation over $50 when THEY made the mistake.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

This really got me laughing. Some people take these message boards way too seriously.

Yah I highly doubt his reputation is at stake :lol: He's been a great member for years and I've been involved in many flawless transactions with him.

His reputation isn't going to go down the pooper when he's only doing what 95% of us would do here (including those sticking up for the seller in this thread)

 

[mmier118]

Just looking at it on both sides of the coin, if I was the seller and I was e-mailed that the BIN was hit thinking this card was a live redemption not a redeemed one I would refund the money and cancel the purchase, but I would never list anything as this auction was because I think the listing itself just shows intent to pull a fast one on somebody. Also if I was the buyer I wouldn't pay for this I would explain to the seller I thought I was getting something else. If I got a negative for it so be it. I would try to explain to ebay what happened and if they understood great, if not, tough luck I would deal with having 99.8% feedback vs. 100% feedback. In my opinion the reputation that is questionable in this case is the seller. They were trying to pull a fast one and it may have worked this time.

 

[fengzhang]

Sorry, I still don't agree with the majority opinion on this one.

Yes, it would be nice if the seller has included a better description but, in my opinion, the title was clear enough. If the buyer has any questions with the auction, he should clarify it before hitting the BIN.

Looking at the OP's auctions, it looks like he similarly follows the minimalist style of descriptions. Basically, a title with a scan of the card. Personally, I hate it when a seller just posts a scan and says "check scan for condition" without any description of the card's condition. But, I still think it is the buyer's responsibility to check with the seller before buying such a card if he has any reservations about the condition. I'm sure the OP would be peeved if a buyer hits one of his BIN's and then renegs, citing that he didn't see the corner damage on the scan until after the fact. That's what the OP is doing here. He hit the BIN prematurely. Realized he made a mistake reading the title. And now doesn't want to pay. I could give two hoots what the seller's intentions were. I don't care.

I am reminded of an old post Jeff N. made on the old BMB. He bought what he thought was a "gold refractor" even though the auction clearly stated it was a refractor because on the scan it looked "too yellow" to be a regular refractor. He thought he was getting a steal and that the seller didn't know what he had. After Jeff received a regular refractor, he made a post whining about how he had been duped by the seller and now wants a refund. His excuse? Yep, the seller must have been evil and intentionally doctored the scan to make the refractor look like a "gold refractor." The fact is, it doesn't matter what the seller's intentions were. YOU wanted a steal. YOU made the mistake. YOU should pay.

We've all made mistakes. We've all had auctions where we mispelled a keyword or we didn't look at a scan close enough while buying. To err is human. But, to me, the worth of a person is seeing how he deals with his mistakes.

 

[mancini79]

Still haven't read a legitimate explanation of how the seller was being shady here. The word "REDEEMED" was clearly in the title. There isn't much more to it than that.

 

[justinmandawg]

I was busting a bunch of cases of 2006 bdp. I had a few beers. It was the Christmas season. In every box I was getting gold ref after gold ref. I talked to Phil on the phone bragging about my luck. Turns out the Christmas tree lights made the refs look like golds. So in the end, I got my 2.5 gold refs / case like normal. Sometimes people do things w/ the best of intentions. I think that's the point I was making, I've lost track.

 

[Wes]

I don't think it's fair to crucify the seller over this - his title and description is accurate. How else would you want him to sell the item? It's a redeemed redemption card - which is exactly what the title says. As has been stated before, front scans of items suffice for basically everything else, and the description with the pack odds is accurate. It's a drag to have made that mistake, but it's the buyer who made the mistake. If you want to talk about a no-questions refund policy, that's a totally separate discussion from whether or not the seller somehow screwed up in this situation.

 

[Sjrmn91]

I really couldn't care less one way or the other with this one, but I just wanted to point out that the "only has a scan of the front" argument is partially flawed. That could very easily be explained by the seller not wanting to pay to have two pictures in the auction instead of one. Is it possible he was trying to be deceptive? Of course. But that isn't the only explanation for what happened.

OP- Good luck getting this all sorted out in whatever route you choose to go with it.

 

[fengzhang]

I don't think it's fair to crucify the seller over this - his title and description is accurate. How else would you want him to sell the item? It's a redeemed redemption card - which is exactly what the title says. As has been stated before, front scans of items suffice for basically everything else, and the description with the pack odds is accurate. It's a drag to have made that mistake, but it's the buyer who made the mistake. If you want to talk about a no-questions refund policy, that's a totally separate discussion from whether or not the seller somehow screwed up in this situation.

Apparently the seller has to write the word "redeemed" multiple times in size 30 font, bolded and in red and pay to upload multiple pictures of a card that has no aesthetic value and is not condition sensitive and he has to start the auction at $1 instead of $19 with a $49 BIN or whatever price of his choosing. All to save buyers from their own inability to read.

 

[ChasHawk]

So are you guys all feeling awesome after your last posts?

 

[hive17]

I was busting a bunch of cases of 2006 bdp. I had a few beers. It was the Christmas season. In every box I was getting gold ref after gold ref. I talked to Phil on the phone bragging about my luck. Turns out the Christmas tree lights made the refs look like golds. So in the end, I got my 2.5 gold refs / case like normal. Sometimes people do things w/ the best of intentions. I think that's the point I was making, I've lost track.

You're drinking now, aren't you?

 

[WaxPax]

This entire situation reminds me of something that happened a few years back on one of the other boards.

A guy comes on bragging how he got a great deal on a high end product. I can't remember what it was, but it was one of the realeases that came in these really nice wood boxes. The guy hits the BIN on it, only to find out the auction was for the empty Boxes ONLY, no cards at all.

Not sure if anyone else remembers something like that occuring...

 

[JzWand]

Over a year ago I posted up 2 auctions for used redemptions.

One was for a Montero chrome Auto and the other was for a BJ Penn UFC Auto!

Obviously I stated redeemed in both the title and TWICE in the description and you know what?

The guy who bought the Montero actually did think he was buying the unused redemption for $8 and immediately after paying, I guess he finally read the title AND description and sent me 5 harassing msgs at 3am calling me a scammer and shill bidder and asking if I will be auctioning off my used receipts for shoes:

Heres a couple of his messages:

HOW YOU COULD LIST A USED REDEMPTION CARD IS BEYOND ME!!! I SHOULD HAV ETO CLOSELY READ AFTER YOU LIE IN THE "MAIN LISTING"!!! WILL FIGHT AND IF LOSE? WQILL NEGATIVE! WHY DONT YOU RECIPTS OF YOUR SHOES YO UBOUGHT?? NO DIFFERENT!! I CANT EVEN BELIVE SOMEONE SELL THE "USED!!!!!!!!!!!!" CARD? SO I DONT CARE IF YOU LISTED AT BOTTOM!! SHOULDNT EVEN BE ALLOWED TO LIST!!!!! WHO WOULD WANT A USED REDEMPTION CARD? LET ALONE SET AT $8? A SCAMMER!! AND THATS WHAT YOU ARE!!!


IF ANY RECIEPTS OF BOUGHT SOCKS OR SHOES OR MILK? ETC..... BE HAPPY TO BUY!! THATS WHAT THIS IS WORTH!!



At the end of the day I realized you cant force people to read or pay attention to stuff so as a seller, its really in your best interests to evaluate the risk/reward of posting something like that.

In the end I sold the BJ Penn used redemption for almost $30 (and the buyer knew what he was buying as he needed the redemption for his Penn collection so it was worth it but not on the Montero!

 

[hive17]

Over a year ago I posted up 2 auctions for used redemptions.

One was for a Montero chrome Auto and the other was for a BJ Penn UFC Auto!

Obviously I stated redeemed in both the title and TWICE in the description and you know what?

The guy who bought the Montero actually did think he was buying the unused redemption for $8 and immediately after paying, I guess he finally read the title AND description and sent me 5 harassing msgs at 3am calling me a scammer and shill bidder and asking if I will be auctioning off my used receipts for shoes:

Heres a couple of his messages:

HOW YOU COULD LIST A USED REDEMPTION CARD IS BEYOND ME!!! I SHOULD HAV ETO CLOSELY READ AFTER YOU LIE IN THE "MAIN LISTING"!!! WILL FIGHT AND IF LOSE? WQILL NEGATIVE! WHY DONT YOU RECIPTS OF YOUR SHOES YO UBOUGHT?? NO DIFFERENT!! I CANT EVEN BELIVE SOMEONE SELL THE "USED!!!!!!!!!!!!" CARD? SO I DONT CARE IF YOU LISTED AT BOTTOM!! SHOULDNT EVEN BE ALLOWED TO LIST!!!!! WHO WOULD WANT A USED REDEMPTION CARD? LET ALONE SET AT $8? A SCAMMER!! AND THATS WHAT YOU ARE!!!


IF ANY RECIEPTS OF BOUGHT SOCKS OR SHOES OR MILK? ETC..... BE HAPPY TO BUY!! THATS WHAT THIS IS WORTH!!



At the end of the day I realized you cant force people to read or pay attention to stuff so as a seller, its really in your best interests to evaluate the risk/reward of posting something like that.

In the end I sold the BJ Penn used redemption for almost $30 (and the buyer knew what he was buying as he needed the redemption for his Penn collection so it was worth it but not on the Montero!

What was the end state of the freak with the Montero (which is different than the OP's situation, based on the price point)?

 

[mmier118]

Still haven't read a legitimate explanation of how the seller was being shady here. The word "REDEEMED" was clearly in the title. There isn't much more to it than that.

In my opinion it is shady to offer a reedemed redemption card for over $50 and not offer a refund when the buyer explains he made an honest mistake and hit the BIN thinking this was a live redemption card. As a buyer I would not want to deal with this particular seller in the future. In my opinion if they tried to pull a stunt like this once who knows what they might try in the future, and if they did get a fast one by you, they would not be willing to correct the problem.

 

[Wes]

Still haven't read a legitimate explanation of how the seller was being shady here. The word "REDEEMED" was clearly in the title. There isn't much more to it than that.

In my opinion it is shady to offer a reedemed redemption card for over $50 and not offer a refund when the buyer explains he made an honest mistake and hit the BIN thinking this was a live redemption card. As a buyer I would not want to deal with this particular seller in the future. In my opinion if they tried to pull a stunt like this once who knows what they might try in the future, and if they did get a fast one by you, they would not be willing to correct the problem.

As a seller I would not want to deal with a buyer who makes the mistake of hitting a BIN thinking that they were getting something that was plainly described as something else then tries to return it because they didn't get the steal that they thought that they did.

 

[phillyfan0417]

So, i guess this is the thought process, seller thought we was going to cash in on a steal and hit the BIN, after literally thousands of threads about reading an entire auction description, instead, that failure caused him to buy EXACTLY what was described in the title and somehow this is ok?

The OP is a respected member of this board but going after a refund would be just as bad as those who go after refunds when they dont get a "gem mint" card. I've made mistakes in the past and I suck it up and deal with it.

How would you all react if it was a unredeemed redemption and the seller sent a message explaining he didnt realize how much the set would sell for and wanted a refund?

 

[dp33]

This Auction is for the card shown Rare card one every 2400 packs.. fair Buy it now price

I find it hard to believe that so many of you are ok with the seller's email responses to the buyer and the fact that he didn't show a second scan with the code scratched off. Feel free to see it in black and white if you want, but it is duplicitous at best.

With the description above in the auction, I don't see how the seller wins if the OP puts in a claim. Your odds of pulling an unredeemed redemption card for a blue refractor auto set might be one in every 2400 packs, but your odds of pulling a redeemed redemption card for a blue refractor auto set are not, so clearly it is not "as described".

 

[mmier118]

So, i guess this is the thought process, seller thought we was going to cash in on a steal and hit the BIN, after literally thousands of threads about reading an entire auction description, instead, that failure caused him to buy EXACTLY what was described in the title and somehow this is ok?

The OP is a respected member of this board but going after a refund would be just as bad as those who go after refunds when they dont get a "gem mint" card. I've made mistakes in the past and I suck it up and deal with it.

How would you all react if it was a unredeemed redemption and the seller sent a message explaining he didnt realize how much the set would sell for and wanted a refund?

I understand your point and it is a valid one, if the seller really didn't know what it was worth and I hit the BIN and the seller wanted to cancel the transaction I would let that slide and cancel the transaction as well. Something similar to this has actually happened in the past to me.

I don't view this quite the same as the gem mint scenario, I view it more of if I listed a 1999 topps mcgwire home run record card #22 that was clearly listed for say $49.99 and someone hit the BIN and then they e-mailed me saying they thought the auction was for #12, since #12 was the one they needed to finish their set not #22 and they wanted to cancel the transaction, I would just cancel it. Even if I was being led a line of bull. Again this is just my opinion on the situation, but I think when someone is "tricked" it is the right thing to do to help "untrick" them.

Again these opinions may come from my view as this as a "hobby" and just for fun, not a business, because if I bought a stock for say $25.00 and the next day it shot to $100 bucks and my broker sent me a letter saying he wanted to cancel the transaction because he was "tricked" I would tell him to honor the deal or he'll be hearing from my lawyer.

edit: actually that's not the same, it's more like if I thought I was buying MSFT and my account got got credited for some Berkshire and my broker wanted to unwind that I would say ok as well.

 

[phillyfan0417]

This Auction is for the card shown Rare card one every 2400 packs.. fair Buy it now price

I find it hard to believe that so many of you are ok with the seller's email responses to the buyer and the fact that he didn't show a second scan with the code scratched off. Feel free to see it in black and white if you want, but it is duplicitous at best.

With the description above in the auction, I don't see how the seller wins if the OP puts in a claim. Your odds of pulling an unredeemed redemption card for a blue refractor auto set might be one in every 2400 packs, but your odds of pulling a redeemed redemption card for a blue refractor auto set are not, so clearly it is not "as described".

You mean where he says the card is REDEEMED in the title doesnt indicate its redeemed?


You can try to explain it anyway you want, the OP already said its his mistake and that he didnt read. Everything else is justification for making the seller be the one who pays for that.

 

[ChasHawk]

How is ebay unlike anywhere else you buy something from?
If you order something from walmart.com, open it and realize it sucks, you can take it back.
ebay is no different from any other online marketplace, yet there is this supposed "code of conduct" amongst hobbyists.

Imho, you shouldn't sell anything on ebay unless you are prepared for the possibility of it being returned to you.

And in this case, the seller was clearly trying to pull something. He got the dupe he was looking for, and it backfired on him.