Ugh Accidentally bought a redeemed redemption card.

[ChasHawk]

You can try to explain it anyway you want, the OP already said its his mistake and that he didnt read. Everything else is justification for making the seller be the one who pays for that.

What's he paying for Tim? If returned/refunded he's getting his card back that he thinks is worth $50. He can just re-sell it, no?

Or is the problem that he won't be able to scam anyone else after this?

 

[RL24]

I think it's obvious that the seller's intent was to deceive, and I'm surprised so many people are siding with the shady seller. Makes me worry about what kind of people I'm hanging out with here. I know this board as a whole tends to lean towards the seller's POV, but c'mon, you aren't supposed to support people who rip other people off.



In my mind, of all the reputations taking hits in this thread, the OP's isn't among them. I'm surrounded by shady sellers, this sucks.

 

[phillyfan0417]

You can try to explain it anyway you want, the OP already said its his mistake and that he didnt read. Everything else is justification for making the seller be the one who pays for that.

What's he paying for Tim? If returned/refunded he's getting his card back that he thinks is worth $50. He can just re-sell it, no?

Or is the problem that he won't be able to scam anyone else after this?

How is he scamming anyone? He clearly states the darn thing is redeemed in the title. How much clearer should he get?

Why are people trying to change the narrative, the OP has already accepted this was his fault, your attempts to change that dont wash. If he wants his refund, great, my point is this wasnt the sellers fault.

 

[phillyfan0417]

I think it's obvious that the seller's intent was to deceive, and I'm surprised so many people are siding with the shady seller. Makes me worry about what kind of people I'm hanging out with here. I know this board as a whole tends to lean towards the seller's POV, but c'mon, you aren't supposed to support people who rip other people off.



In my mind, of all the reputations taking hits in this thread, the OP's isn't among them. I'm surrounded by shady sellers, this sucks.

Overreact much?

First 5 words of the OP's post.

My fault. Listing said redeemed.

Seller was being a bit deceptive? I would say he was counting on exactly what happened here, hit the BIN before understanding what you're buying.

 

[dp33]

This Auction is for the card shown Rare card one every 2400 packs.. fair Buy it now price

I find it hard to believe that so many of you are ok with the seller's email responses to the buyer and the fact that he didn't show a second scan with the code scratched off. Feel free to see it in black and white if you want, but it is duplicitous at best.

With the description above in the auction, I don't see how the seller wins if the OP puts in a claim. Your odds of pulling an unredeemed redemption card for a blue refractor auto set might be one in every 2400 packs, but your odds of pulling a redeemed redemption card for a blue refractor auto set are not, so clearly it is not "as described".

You mean where he says the card is REDEEMED in the title doesnt indicate its redeemed?


You can try to explain it anyway you want, the OP already said its his mistake and that he didnt read. Everything else is justification for making the seller be the one who pays for that.

The title indicates it is redeemed, the scan and the description do not. If that's a slam-dunk case for you, then so be it. You'll make a mistake someday too, and maybe you'll pay for it and maybe you won't - however, I won't be on here making sure you feel extra-stupid for making that mistake in either case. And for your sake, I hope it won't be at the hands of a shady seller laughing his way to the bank.

How is he scamming anyone? He clearly states the darn thing is redeemed in the title. How much clearer should he get?

Why are people trying to change the narrative, the OP has already accepted this was his fault, your attempts to change that dont wash. If he wants his refund, great, my point is this wasnt the sellers fault.

Oh, I don't know - he could show a scan that shows the back of the card redeemed. Or change the description so it doesn't appear like this is some rare valuable card when it is, to most people, a worthless redeemed code.

Nobody is trying to change the narrative. Most of us are saying that 'yes, it might be the OP's fault to an extent, but wouldn't it make more sense for the seller to admit he was fishing, refund the buyer, and then relist it again since he seems so confident that he is listing such a "rare" card for a "fair" price', and then someone who actually wants what the seller is selling can come along and buy it. Everyone wins then.

 

[JzWand]

Over a year ago I posted up 2 auctions for used redemptions.

One was for a Montero chrome Auto and the other was for a BJ Penn UFC Auto!

Obviously I stated redeemed in both the title and TWICE in the description and you know what?

The guy who bought the Montero actually did think he was buying the unused redemption for $8 and immediately after paying, I guess he finally read the title AND description and sent me 5 harassing msgs at 3am calling me a scammer and shill bidder and asking if I will be auctioning off my used receipts for shoes:

Heres a couple of his messages:

HOW YOU COULD LIST A USED REDEMPTION CARD IS BEYOND ME!!! I SHOULD HAV ETO CLOSELY READ AFTER YOU LIE IN THE "MAIN LISTING"!!! WILL FIGHT AND IF LOSE? WQILL NEGATIVE! WHY DONT YOU RECIPTS OF YOUR SHOES YO UBOUGHT?? NO DIFFERENT!! I CANT EVEN BELIVE SOMEONE SELL THE "USED!!!!!!!!!!!!" CARD? SO I DONT CARE IF YOU LISTED AT BOTTOM!! SHOULDNT EVEN BE ALLOWED TO LIST!!!!! WHO WOULD WANT A USED REDEMPTION CARD? LET ALONE SET AT $8? A SCAMMER!! AND THATS WHAT YOU ARE!!!


IF ANY RECIEPTS OF BOUGHT SOCKS OR SHOES OR MILK? ETC..... BE HAPPY TO BUY!! THATS WHAT THIS IS WORTH!!



At the end of the day I realized you cant force people to read or pay attention to stuff so as a seller, its really in your best interests to evaluate the risk/reward of posting something like that.

In the end I sold the BJ Penn used redemption for almost $30 (and the buyer knew what he was buying as he needed the redemption for his Penn collection so it was worth it but not on the Montero!

What was the end state of the freak with the Montero (which is different than the OP's situation, based on the price point)?

Well there were about 5 other messages from him I didnt post but in the end I refunded him the money and he paid a couple of dollars for the trouble he caused me as when I re-listed it, instead of the $8 he won it for I only received one 99¢ bid (the second chance wasnt accepted) so I was actually out some $$$.

Regardless my point is that no matter what you do as a seller (I repeat I had the word REDEEMED in the title and twice more in the auction description), you take a risk selling a redeemed redemption card and only you can weigh the risk/reward of having to deal with someone like I did.

The price IMO is irrelevant as in my case the guy clearly thought he had won a Montero redemption for $8.

I still got called a shill seller, a scammer, a negative threatened on me, and an offer to buy other receipts I may have.

 

[ChasHawk]

Seller was being a bit deceptive? I would say he was counting on exactly what happened here, hit the BIN before understanding what you're buying.

Just so we're clear, you don't consider that to be a shady practice?

 

[phillyfan0417]

Seller was being a bit deceptive? I would say he was counting on exactly what happened here, hit the BIN before understanding what you're buying.

Just so we're clear, you don't consider that to be a shady practice?

Stop it Charlie, you know exactly what I'm saying. The seller listed the card redeemed in the title, the OP was hoping to steal it from the buyer before anyone else did. You can call it shady but the OP said he didnt read. So the only thing that happened here was who got taken...


Also, i've made about a dozen mistakes due to not reading and i've taken my medicine for each one.

 

[ChasHawk]

Seller was being a bit deceptive? I would say he was counting on exactly what happened here, hit the BIN before understanding what you're buying.

Just so we're clear, you don't consider that to be a shady practice?

Stop it Charlie, you know exactly what I'm saying. The seller listed the card redeemed in the title, the OP was hoping to steal it from the buyer before anyone else did. You can call it shady but the OP said he didnt read. So the only thing that happened here was who got taken...


Also, i've made about a dozen mistakes due to not reading and i've taken my medicine for each one.

Stop what? What exactly am I trying to do here?

It's not about "taking your medicine".

Would you deal with a seller like that or not?

 

[phillyfan0417]

Seller was being a bit deceptive? I would say he was counting on exactly what happened here, hit the BIN before understanding what you're buying.

Just so we're clear, you don't consider that to be a shady practice?

Stop it Charlie, you know exactly what I'm saying. The seller listed the card redeemed in the title, the OP was hoping to steal it from the buyer before anyone else did. You can call it shady but the OP said he didnt read. So the only thing that happened here was who got taken...


Also, i've made about a dozen mistakes due to not reading and i've taken my medicine for each one.

Stop what? What exactly am I trying to do here?

It's not about "taking your medicine".

Would you deal with a seller like that or not?

Are you saying that the seller needs to be responsible for you not reading the whole auction. Actually, in this case, for the buyer not even reading the title?

What happened to being responsible for doing your part?

 

[George_Calfas]

The discussion is interesting but it comes down to eBay as a function of economy. Within this system returns are possible; like most retail outlets.

If you read eBay's "no returns accepted" warning closely you will notice that sellers a told to describe the item in it's fullest. eBay wants the seller to be specific in the title AND description areas.

While the title stated the card the body of the auction did not.

 

[danimal]

I just want to know what reasoning the OP used to file his claim. That is where any potential "shadieness" will be.

The only way the reasoning for claim would be 100% truthful would be if the buyer indicated that he thought he was getting the card for half price (or as many of you call it a Steal) and quickly bought it before reading even the title thoroughly but when it arrived he got exactly what the auction said he was buying. And now he has buyer's remorse and wants a refund.

That can be the only truthful reasoning I can think of.

 

[dp33]

I just want to know what reasoning the OP used to file his claim. That is where any potential "shadieness" will be.

The only way the reasoning for claim would be 100% truthful would be if the buyer indicated that he thought he was getting the card for half price (or as many of you call it a Steal) and quickly bought it before reading even the title thoroughly but when it arrived he got exactly what the auction said he was buying. And now he has buyer's remorse and wants a refund.

That can be the only truthful reasoning I can think of.

The auction also said he would be getting a card that was 1 in 2400 packs - do you think that was "truthful"?

 

[George_Calfas]

I just want to know what reasoning the OP used to file his claim. That is where any potential "shadieness" will be.

The only way the reasoning for claim would be 100% truthful would be if the buyer indicated that he thought he was getting the card for half price (or as many of you call it a Steal) and quickly bought it before reading even the title thoroughly but when it arrived he got exactly what the auction said he was buying. And now he has buyer's remorse and wants a refund.

That can be the only truthful reasoning I can think of.

Not as described is all this case would need, title does not equal description for eBay.

 

[RL24]

Seller was being a bit deceptive? I would say he was counting on exactly what happened here, hit the BIN before understanding what you're buying.

Getting somebody to buy something while tricking them into thinking they are buying something completely different is shady. Even unethical. People go to jail for it. Really, that's all Bernie Madoff did.


Seeing some of you guys defend this behavior really is disturbing to me. Especially since the seller will still have the same exact item to sell again. The OP isn't stealing anything from the seller. There are people who buy baseball cards, realize it was a bad deal, then damage the cards so they can send them back and claim they were damaged in the mail and get their money back. I've read about it on this board. There are a lot of evil ways to get your money back, and the OP is just asking for his back politely.


Returns happen on ebay every single day. "I bought this cord, it's the wrong cord, it won't fit." Totally and completely the buyer's fault, but he gets his money back. The OP bought the wrong card. He meant to buy the unredeemed one. HE GETS HIS MONEY BACK! The guy who bought the cord should have researched and found out exactly which cord he needed, and the seller probably rolls his eyes and thinks "what an idiot" but it happens. It's sorta like the customer is always right, even when they're not.


If the OP had purchased a cord that didn't fit would you say it's his fault and he should keep it? I'm seriously curious.

 

[danimal]

Are you people really thinking this auction is tricky? As I've said earlier if anything about this auction "tricks" you, can cannot say you comprehend simple Engish. You don't even have to have a long attention span, The 4th word is redeemed!

I still cannot see how the op filed a not as describe when he got exactly what was described!

And just for my knowledge, would someone please send me a link to the eBay policy where it states a title of an auction is not considered part of the description? I was always under the assumption that the purpose of the title was to describe your item you were trying to sell. Thanks

 

[hive17]

How is ebay unlike anywhere else you buy something from?
If you order something from walmart.com, open it and realize it sucks, you can take it back.
ebay is no different from any other online marketplace, yet there is this supposed "code of conduct" amongst hobbyists.

Imho, you shouldn't sell anything on ebay unless you are prepared for the possibility of it being returned to you.

And in this case, the seller was clearly trying to pull something. He got the dupe he was looking for, and it backfired on him.

No one really wants to tackle this question. I already asked it once. You've restated my point very well. I agree that, as a function of an AUCTION, blanket returns shouldn't be allowed. But this was a BIN, same as Amazon or anything else.

 

[danimal]

How is ebay unlike anywhere else you buy something from?
If you order something from walmart.com, open it and realize it sucks, you can take it back.
ebay is no different from any other online marketplace, yet there is this supposed "code of conduct" amongst hobbyists.

Imho, you shouldn't sell anything on ebay unless you are prepared for the possibility of it being returned to you.

And in this case, the seller was clearly trying to pull something. He got the dupe he was looking for, and it backfired on him.

No one really wants to tackle this question. I already asked it once. You've restated my point very well. I agree that, as a function of an AUCTION, blanket returns shouldn't be allowed. But this was a BIN, same as Amazon or anything else.

It was an auction the op just hit the BIN thinking he was getting a "steal".

 

[George_Calfas]

Are you people really thinking this auction is tricky? As I've said earlier if anything about this auction "tricks" you, can cannot say you comprehend simple Engish. You don't even have to have a long attention span, The 4th word is redeemed!

I still cannot see how the op filed a not as describe when he got exactly what was described!

And just for my knowledge, would someone please send me a link to the eBay policy where it states a title of an auction is not considered part of the description? I was always under the assumption that the purpose of the title was to describe your item you were trying to sell. Thanks

Sixth word is AND, meaning both title and description.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/descriptions.html

 

[danimal]

Are you people really thinking this auction is tricky? As I've said earlier if anything about this auction "tricks" you, can cannot say you comprehend simple Engish. You don't even have to have a long attention span, The 4th word is redeemed!

I still cannot see how the op filed a not as describe when he got exactly what was described!

And just for my knowledge, would someone please send me a link to the eBay policy where it states a title of an auction is not considered part of the description? I was always under the assumption that the purpose of the title was to describe your item you were trying to sell. Thanks

Sixth word is AND, meaning both title and description.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/descriptions.html

So why would he need to repeat in the description what he already stated in the title? If they are both make up the description it would seem to be a bit repetitious to state what was already stated wouldn't it?