Verlander Sick!!

[jofinn36]

Can anybody compare modern pitchers to him? Maybe Lincecum? Career not just this year.

 

[vwnut13]

Can anybody compare modern pitchers to him? Maybe Lincecum? Career not just this year.

Yes.

Tim Lincecum, Johan Santana, Felix Hernandez, Roy Oswalt, Roy Halladay, Brandon Webb, Jered Weaver, Matt Cain, Cole Hamels, Tim Hudson, Jake Peavy, and CC Sabathia all have lower Career ERAs.

I know ERA isn't a tell all stat, but there are 12 ACTIVE starters who have lower career ERAs than Verlander.

 

[jofinn36]

Ok how many 23 win seasons do they have and 2 no hitters. Felix Hernandez doesn't have many wins and I don't care where he plays for.

 

[jofinn36]

I don't think that ERA alone like you said is all there is to this question. So lets say overall stats.

 

[darocker80]

Ok how many 23 win seasons do they have and 2 no hitters. Felix Hernandez doesn't have many wins and I don't care where he plays for.

Tigers offense is a million times better than teams like mariners, giants, mets and padres (referring to the players on teams with lower career ERA)...and not taking away from how talented justin is

 

[Randy Shields]

Better career ERA's but that could easily change. He's currently in a 3-way tie at the top with Kershaw and Cueto at 2.36, but leads in strikeouts with 238, whip at 0.92, and opponents BA allowing a dismal .192 percentage.

11 wins in a row ties a club record with Hal Newhouser who did it in 1946. No Tiger pitcher has ever won 12 straight. Verlander is just on one heck of a filthy run this year and I'm lovin every minute of it.

And if he continues his ways into the post season, He would most likely get 2 starts in a series making the Tigers a very legitimate threat come October.

GO TIG's!!

 

[craiger122003]

Umm >?? run support mean everything
I would imagine Felix on a 2 run support would get more wins
Verlander gets too much run support check your facts bandwagon fan

Ok how many 23 win seasons do they have and 2 no hitters. Felix Hernandez doesn't have many wins and I don't care where he plays for.

 

[George_Calfas]

MVP!

 

[markakis8]

MVP!

It's hard to tell when you are serious or not sometimes

 

[George_Calfas]

MVP!

It's hard to tell when you are serious or not sometimes

All serious here.....if he gets 25 wins he "should" be the MVP.
No a Tigers fan but I am of good pitching (re: Gibby collection) but Go Verlander Go!

 

[markakis8]

[quote="George_Calfas":1xbju4eu]MVP!

It's hard to tell when you are serious or not sometimes

All serious here.....if he gets 25 wins he "should" be the MVP.
No a Tigers fan but I am of good pitching (re: Gibby collection) but Go Verlander Go![/quote:1xbju4eu]

I think he should get it as well but every sports show I watch, they are all against him winning it. ::facepalm::

I must say, Ellsbury is going to make it tough for him. He's having an outstanding year. I don't see anyone else winning it at this point besides those two.

 

[George_Calfas]

[quote="George_Calfas":23xswjmy]MVP!

It's hard to tell when you are serious or not sometimes

All serious here.....if he gets 25 wins he "should" be the MVP.
No a Tigers fan but I am of good pitching (re: Gibby collection) but Go Verlander Go!

I think he should get it as well but every sports show I watch, they are all against him winning it. ::facepalm::

I must say, Ellsbury is going to make it tough for him. He's having an outstanding year. I don't see anyone else winning it at this point besides those two.[/quote:23xswjmy]

Last I check Ellsbury does not lead his team in any of the Triple Crown categories......That's value my friends.

 

[markakis8]

Last I check Ellsbury does not lead his team in any of the Triple Crown categories......That's value my friends.

Good point.

 

[thefasterblade]

If he does 25 wins, its going to be hard to not give him the MVP award. Right now the Tigers are only a half game worse than Boston.

 

[RL24]

He has had the luckiest season ever. Has had to face the Yankees? Oh? How did that work out for him?

He pitched against the Yankees twice this year, both times his team lost, but he managed to espcape without getting the L. And it's not like he pitched a shutout into the 8th and his team lost in the 9th, no. He let up 3 ER in each appearance and really should have picked up a couple Ls there.

He's only had to play Boston twice, and once the same thing happened. Team lost, 3 ER for JV, but no L. Lucky crap going on for this guy. Only had to play Texas once, and picked up an L. Only had to play the Angels once, and picked up another L. If he didn't get to play the White Sox so many times, his numbers would look more normal.


Sure he's having a good season, but if he had to face the tough teams, and didn't get 5 runs of support every game..... there might actually be a Cy Young race this year. :lol:

 

[Bornagaincollector]

This years Tigers team reminds me a lot of the 1999 Red Sox!

 

[markakis8]

He has had the luckiest season ever. Has had to face the Yankees? Oh? How did that work out for him?

He pitched against the Yankees twice this year, both times his team lost, but he managed to espcape without getting the L. And it's not like he pitched a shutout into the 8th and his team lost in the 9th, no. He let up 3 ER in each appearance and really should have picked up a couple Ls there.

He's only had to play Boston twice, and once the same thing happened. Team lost, 3 ER for JV, but no L. Lucky crap going on for this guy. Only had to play Texas once, and picked up an L. Only had to play the Angels once, and picked up another L. If he didn't get to play the White Sox so many times, his numbers would look more normal.


Sure he's having a good season, but if he had to face the tough teams, and didn't get 5 runs of support every game..... there might actually be a Cy Young race this year. :lol:

I didn't realize the Yankees were the only team that could measure an opponent's greatness ::facepalm::

Please, by all means, point out his QUALITY STARTS against the Yankees (you guys would be pitching pant tents if AJ Burnett had those numbers against ANY TEAM - 6 IP 3 ER 8 K both times).

Don't mention the 2-0 loss CG vs the Rangers, don't mention the 0 R in 7.2 IP win vs the Red Sox, don't mention the complete game shutout vs the Indians when they were one of the hottest teams in baseball, don't mention the complete game victory AT COLORADO, don't mention the 8 IP, 14k performance vs the 1st place team in the NL West - Arizona, don't mention the 1-0 loss vs the Angels, don't mention the other start vs the Angels - 8 IP, 0 ER, 1 H, 9 K, don't mention his 1 ER, 7 IP performance vs the Rays....

Don't mention that MOST, if not ALL, of his starts have been quality starts.

Don't mention the 18 starts with at least 8 K's.

Don't mention he carried THREE no-hitters into the 8th inning this year.

Oh yeah, he threw a no-hitter in Toronto too.

Damn, you're right. He has been lucky.

 

[RL24]

He has had the luckiest season ever. Has had to face the Yankees? Oh? How did that work out for him?

He pitched against the Yankees twice this year, both times his team lost, but he managed to espcape without getting the L. And it's not like he pitched a shutout into the 8th and his team lost in the 9th, no. He let up 3 ER in each appearance and really should have picked up a couple Ls there.

He's only had to play Boston twice, and once the same thing happened. Team lost, 3 ER for JV, but no L. Lucky crap going on for this guy. Only had to play Texas once, and picked up an L. Only had to play the Angels once, and picked up another L. If he didn't get to play the White Sox so many times, his numbers would look more normal.


Sure he's having a good season, but if he had to face the tough teams, and didn't get 5 runs of support every game..... there might actually be a Cy Young race this year. :lol:

I didn't realize the Yankees were the only team that could measure an opponent's greatness ::facepalm::

Please, by all means, point out his QUALITY STARTS against the Yankees (you guys would be pitching pant tents if AJ Burnett had those numbers against ANY TEAM - 6 IP 3 ER 8 K both times).

Don't mention the 2-0 loss CG vs the Rangers, don't mention the 0 R in 7.2 IP win vs the Red Sox, don't mention the complete game shutout vs the Indians when they were one of the hottest teams in baseball, don't mention the complete game victory AT COLORADO, don't mention the 8 IP, 14k performance vs the 1st place team in the NL West - Arizona, don't mention the 1-0 loss vs the Angels, don't mention the other start vs the Angels - 8 IP, 0 ER, 1 H, 9 K, don't mention his 1 ER, 7 IP performance vs the Rays....

Don't mention that MOST, if not ALL, of his starts have been quality starts.

Don't mention the 18 starts with at least 8 K's.

Don't mention he carried THREE no-hitters into the 8th inning this year.

Oh yeah, he threw a no-hitter in Toronto too.

Damn, you're right. He has been lucky.

I know right?

My bad, I completely missed the other Angels game, I really only saw that he played them once and lost. My bad.

I'm an Indians fan, so I enjoy seeing A.J. Burnett flail on the mound. Except for the fact that it throws CC's regularly scheduled starts off. That kinda pisses me off. And so does Verlander's great season.


ETA: It's just something I've noticed with most Cy Young winners. They had a great year because they had an easy schedule. The Yankees aren't the only team you can measure your success against. There are other offensive powerhouses in the league. Most people know which teams these are. The White Sox aren't one of them (JV has pitched to them 6 times this year). It's what impressed me most about Felix's year last year, his masteration of all teams, especially the good ones.

 

[markakis8]

I know right?

My bad, I completely missed the other Angels game, I really only saw that he played them once and lost. My bad.

I'm an Indians fan, so I enjoy seeing A.J. Burnett flail on the mound. Except for the fact that it throws CC's regularly scheduled starts off. That kinda pisses me off. And so does Verlander's great season.

Hey I understand, you're a big CC fan. He's a great pitcher and is having another terrific season. I just gotta keep the homer-ism in check sometimes

 

[vwnut13]

I don't think that ERA alone like you said is all there is to this question. So lets say overall stats.

Well, Roy Halladay had a 22 win season in 2003 (pitching in the AL East) and threw a perfect game and a no hitter in the 2010 season.


But, my favorite part about your post. You start out by saying how many pitchers have had a better career than Verlander, then you start citing stats from this season to back up your argument.

It wasn't too long ago that Verlander lead the league in losses and pitched to a near 5 era.

One year doesn't make a pitcher the greatest ever. It's kind of like how Ubaldo Jiminez' half a season made him an "ace".