Were Razor Sports Icons authenticated?

[G $MONEY$]

lol, that's great. Honest mistake/goof-up. Still kinda funny.

PS: Nice research Vagrant.

PSS: How did this make it through BGS? no authenticating? Just slabbing?

Correct. BGS does not authenticate autographs. They only authenticate the cards.

That is correct, when BGS authenticates/slabs ANY certified autograph, they do not check the authenticity of the autograph. For an instance like this when they are doing a mass slabbing for a card companies product (they also do mass slabbings for In The Game products), they are not authenticating the autographs either. ONLY BGS/JSA cards get the autograph authenticated (certified autographs or In-Person) and that is something that the customer has to request for (and pay extra of course) and JSA is located in a totally different building and city (BGS is in Dallas and JSA is in New Jersey).

 

[AKA Coastal]

lol, that's great. Honest mistake/goof-up. Still kinda funny.

PS: Nice research Vagrant.

PSS: How did this make it through BGS? no authenticating? Just slabbing?

I called it though! :lol:

The writing looks like some sort of note to me, like someone was giving direction in saying: "Catfish Hunter" is too big for some sort of document, because that's def not a signature.

zan

zan

Yea, you nailed it. Can't get anything past the boyz at FCB.

 

[Vagrant]

lol, that's great. Honest mistake/goof-up. Still kinda funny.

PS: Nice research Vagrant.

PSS: How did this make it through BGS? no authenticating? Just slabbing?

I called it though! :lol:

The writing looks like some sort of note to me, like someone was giving direction in saying: "Catfish Hunter" is too big for some sort of document, because that's def not a signature.

zan

zan

Your description is much more vague, though. I assumed it was an internal note by Razor, found who it was written to, and identified it.

Not that this kind of thing deserves "props", because it only took me a couple of minutes to find out what it was about.

 

[mwheeler27]

[quote="AKA Coastal":3cvsfhjk]lol, that's great. Honest mistake/goof-up. Still kinda funny.

PS: Nice research Vagrant.

PSS: How did this make it through BGS? no authenticating? Just slabbing?

Correct. BGS does not authenticate autographs. They only authenticate the cards.

That is correct, when BGS authenticates/slabs ANY certified autograph, they do not check the authenticity of the autograph. For an instance like this when they are doing a mass slabbing for a card companies product (they also do mass slabbings for In The Game products), they are not authenticating the autographs either. ONLY BGS/JSA cards get the autograph authenticated (certified autographs or In-Person) and that is something that the customer has to request for (and pay extra of course) and JSA is located in a totally different building and city (BGS is in Dallas and JSA is in New Jersey).[/quote:3cvsfhjk]

Are you sure BGS slabs those cards from In The Game? I was thinking ITG slabbed their own. I could be wrong though. I don't really collect that product, although I think I like it.

 

[matchpenalty]

Cool card, anyone know what owner is going to do with it?

 

[Krom]

I don't think in this case its BGS's job to authenticate the auto. For authentic autograph sake its a damn shame that this could even happen, but for the owner is pretty cool in an error sort of way. Razor has made this mistake before and they should have learned their lesson. They need to learn about quality control. I am sure BG will make good on this if that is what the owner wants, but considering they have effed up cuts in the past one would think they would make SURE they only pack out 100% authentic autographs. ::facepalm::

 

[TomMurry]

Wonder what BG has to say about this? I think its kinda funny and becomes an interesting collectible.

 

[IndyManning18]

I want an Angela Montgomery cut sig now!!

 

[matchpenalty]

Did UD replace it's cuts that were proven to be bad?

Wasn't the pull of a lifetime that started the whole box break video from Doctor Wax Battle card shop questioned by a lot of people. The Ruth on it??????? or was it quad auto with some of first HOF class that was featured on HBO show. Can't remember what one.

 

[TomMurry]

It wasnt a quad, it whas an Inaugural HOF class 5 cut card that was proven to have at least 3 forged sigs.
It also wasnt pulled at the Dr's card shop. The Ruth/DiMaggio dual jumbo cut was and the Ruth Cut was. I dont know that either of them was ever mentioned as being questionable.

 

[011873]

Bet thats the back of a photo or something and on the other side is the actual auto.

And BGS wont suthenticate the auto, thats why they wont accept Rookie Premiere cards (now) without JSA first.

 

[nyc3]

Doh

 

[All In Cards]

mistakes happen, I cant wait for BG to see it. How can you not laugh at this?

 

[Sean_C]

The Inaugural HOF Class 5 cut card does not have any problems with it as far a I know. If I remember correctly, and if it's the one you are referring to, it was pulled at a card store here in Massachuesetts, and is currently being offered for sale at Legendary Auctions big event at the National (I'll post a link to it when they have one on line). I've never heard of any problems with it in the 10 + years it's been in the hobby, and the autographs on it are now PSA/DNA certified (at least according to Legendary's description).

Matchpenalty is right, the big questionable card was the quad signature card that was released in an Upper Deck Legendary Cuts product in 2005. This was the card with the questionable autographs:

The Walter Johnson and Babe Ruth autographs on this card were believed to have been forgeries, and some have questioned the Wagner as well. Here is a link to Richard Simon's page detailing some of the story (it's about half way down the page - the rest of it is an good read about other bad Upper Deck autograph cuts and other forged signatures).

It wasnt a quad, it whas an Inaugural HOF class 5 cut card that was proven to have at least 3 forged sigs.
It also wasnt pulled at the Dr's card shop. The Ruth/DiMaggio dual jumbo cut was and the Ruth Cut was. I dont know that either of them was ever mentioned as being questionable.

 

[Sean_C]

As for this bad boy, if you know who has it please let me know. I'd love to buy or trade for it.

I remember seeing that the 2009 version was promised to have been authenticated by either JSA or PSA/DNA. I don't recall a similar promise for this year's, but I'm 99.99% sure that this cut (photo taken from AIC's group break on the box break boards) ain't Jim Hunter's handwriting. It looks like it was taken from a random note or something.

I'm not here to bash Razor, but I would like to know about this set. Either I treat it like any other unauthenticated sig I'm considering purchasing, or JSA or PSA know something that I don't.

Your thoughts?

 

[Pinbreaker]

I remember seeing that the 2009 version was promised to have been authenticated by either JSA or PSA/DNA. I don't recall a similar promise for this year's, but I'm 99.99% sure that this cut (photo taken from AIC's group break on the box break boards) ain't Jim Hunter's handwriting. It looks like it was taken from a random note or something.

I'm not here to bash Razor, but I would like to know about this set. Either I treat it like any other unauthenticated sig I'm considering purchasing, or JSA or PSA know something that I don't.

Your thoughts?

Here's a regular Catfish Hunter Auto...

 

[G $MONEY$]

[quote="AKA Coastal":3jkjfvf5]lol, that's great. Honest mistake/goof-up. Still kinda funny.

PS: Nice research Vagrant.

PSS: How did this make it through BGS? no authenticating? Just slabbing?

Correct. BGS does not authenticate autographs. They only authenticate the cards.

That is correct, when BGS authenticates/slabs ANY certified autograph, they do not check the authenticity of the autograph. For an instance like this when they are doing a mass slabbing for a card companies product (they also do mass slabbings for In The Game products), they are not authenticating the autographs either. ONLY BGS/JSA cards get the autograph authenticated (certified autographs or In-Person) and that is something that the customer has to request for (and pay extra of course) and JSA is located in a totally different building and city (BGS is in Dallas and JSA is in New Jersey).

Are you sure BGS slabs those cards from In The Game? I was thinking ITG slabbed their own. I could be wrong though. I don't really collect that product, although I think I like it.[/quote:3jkjfvf5]


Yes, BGS does/was slabbing all of In The Games "Ultimate memorabilia" cards that come already slabbed in the pack. If BGS no longer slabs for ITG, that is news to me.

 

[Leaf]

Hi, Guys.... All cuts are authenticated BEFORE cards are built. In this case, it appears the cut was too large for the window and somehow the note was built into the card. We always replace and stand behind these sorts of errors.
My apologies and feel free to return for replacement plus a nice free gift for the inconvenience.
BG

 

[Sean_C]

How does an error like this exist in the first place? The card was assembled, submitted for slabbing, returned, and packed out without anyone noticing it? I'm willing to cut the BGS guys a slight bit of slack (not much) as they were just slabbing whatever was sent to them. But the fact that something like this was able to be packed out by Razor speaks volumes.

Who were the cuts used in the product authenticated by, and was the authenticator(s) identified on the product at all? If not, why not?

Hi, Guys.... All cuts are authenticated BEFORE cards are built. In this case, it appears the cut was too large for the window and somehow the note was built into the card. We always replace and stand behind these sorts of errors.
My apologies and feel free to return for replacement plus a nice free gift for the inconvenience.
BG

 

[nyc3]

Wouldnt it be a bit smarter to authenticate the autographs in the card? It seems any other manner would lead to this and god knows what else.