what should razor uncirculated look like??????

[Leaf]

what should razor uncirculated look like?????

 

[Leaf]

please explain feelings on choice below....

 

[cgilmo]

At least initially you are going to have to fight against the stigma that your base cards aren't worth squat. Because of this, I think it would be a mistake to release anything that centers around base cards.

 

[Frow]

At least initially you are going to have to fight against the stigma that your base cards aren't worth squat. Because of this, I think it would be a mistake to release anything that centers around base cards.

This.

 

[Leaf]

At least initially you are going to have to fight against the stigma that your base cards aren't worth squat. Because of this, I think it would be a mistake to release anything that centers around base cards.

what if products 2 and 3 had NO base cards????

 

[HPC]

I personally Like the last option better. It gives it an EEE numbering system that will make the cards more desireable, since the sleeper might have only 149 of his auto produced, where as a bigger name might have 399.

Id buy more of it if they are numbered this way rather than the same amount for everybody

 

[cgilmo]

At least initially you are going to have to fight against the stigma that your base cards aren't worth squat. Because of this, I think it would be a mistake to release anything that centers around base cards.

what if products 2 and 3 had NO base cards????

That would definitely make me appreciate the base cards more, but I am still not sure that the general public will buy them.

 

[ryanhoward06]

I personally Like the last option better. It gives it an EEE numbering system that will make the cards more desireable, since the sleeper might have only 149 of his auto produced, where as a bigger name might have 399.

Id buy more of it if they are numbered this way rather than the same amount for everybody

I forgot about that. I voted for all 399 but I like that better.

Also, how will you guys be making the cards Chrome?

 

[cgilmo]

I personally Like the last option better. It gives it an EEE numbering system that will make the cards more desireable, since the sleeper might have only 149 of his auto produced, where as a bigger name might have 399.

Id buy more of it if they are numbered this way rather than the same amount for everybody

I forgot about that. I voted for all 399 but I like that better.

Also, how will you guys be making the cards Chrome?

Obviously they won't be calling it "Chrome"

 

[Leaf]

I personally Like the last option better. It gives it an EEE numbering system that will make the cards more desireable, since the sleeper might have only 149 of his auto produced, where as a bigger name might have 399.

Id buy more of it if they are numbered this way rather than the same amount for everybody

I forgot about that. I voted for all 399 but I like that better.

Also, how will you guys be making the cards Chrome?

Patent on the technology expires december 31st.....

 

[NECpilgrims8]

I chose option #3. Explained below (Brian- We already spoke, but I want to speak again in more detail).

Props to Jim Witmer (BCA) for helping with this, as well as Phil Mason.

Serial #'s: Varied between /199 to /399. (Set already contains parallels /5, /25, and /299, I think…. )

Set Details: Autos only w/ Chrome Technology

Checklist: Same subjects as in the base auto set, there should be no exceptions and this should be considered another parallel.

Distribution (in order of want): Redemption Scratch off card via box/pack product (i.e. 2003 BC) -or- IPO For sale on The Pit (i.e. 2005 BC Green Ref)

To add value to the break, I want to see these as redemptions with scratchoffs in the pack/box product. This will drive way more traffic to thepit.com and Razor, than the second option. The other option, the 2005 BC green ref type, a Google-type IPO where there are a total number available at a set price and then they are distributed first come, first served and then traded publicly after distribution, if it doesn't fully allocate then the balance of the cards are destroyed (supposedly).

Special Interest Cards: Parallel for first run amount of each card (first 10 die-cut or first 10 Refractor finish, etc.). Completely random, but gives people a better chance with the more IPO autos they buy. Call it an incentive, if you will. .... Or, you can just randomly put them in the scratch-off redemptions via the codes, and when they enter them, they see they got a parallel.

 

[Leaf]

Serial #'s: Varied between /199 to /399. (Set already contains parallels /5, /25, and /299, I think…. )
very doable


Set Details: Autos only w/ Chrome Technology very doable

Checklist: Same subjects as in the base auto set, there should be no exceptions and this should be considered another parallel.can we add/replace a few players?????[/color]

Distribution (in order of want): Redemption Scratch off card via box/pack product (i.e. 2003 BC) -or- IPO For sale on The Pit (i.e. 2005 BC Green Ref) the pit.com ipo is most probable... next year with more planning we can put something in packs

To add value to the break, I want to see these as redemptions with scratchoffs in the pack/box product. This will drive way more traffic to thepit.com and Razor, than the second option. The other option, the 2005 BC green ref type, a Google-type IPO where there are a total number available at a set price and then they are distributed first come, first served and then traded publicly after distribution, if it doesn't fully allocate then the balance of the cards are destroyed (supposedly). IPO would be offered at a set price and market takes over once sold out...we would leave available unsubscribed cards as ultimately every player has his day and most players get a tiny run at least sometime... once sold out, you guys dictate market

Special Interest Cards: Parallel for first run amount of each card (first 10 die-cut or first 10 Refractor finish, etc.). Completely random, but gives people a better chance with the more IPO autos they buy. Call it an incentive, if you will. .... Or, you can just randomly put them in the scratch-off redemptions via the codes, and when they enter them, they see they got a parallel. with more planning, could happen next year, but racing the clock to even make this program happen

 

[caseya10781]

Brian, I really like the direction you are taking your company and especially appreciate the value you give to our opinions. This product has me very excited and although I had not gotten back into collecting when thepit.com redemption/uncirculated card thing was going on, I'm am looking forward to it very much.

I agree with NEC on every point. I especially like using the same subjects as the base auto set and thepit.com version being another parallel.

I understand the rush in trying to do something like this somewhat last minute and the inability to pack out redemption cards this late in the game. In the future that is a very good idea, but right now thepit.com IPO will work fine I believe.

Thanks for keeping us informed, thanks for listening, and lastly thanks for your time.

I'm excited!

Casey

 

[Uofo2212]

I agree, what you are doing is what the hobby has needed for many years....ie taking collectors advice for a company built on actual collectors. Whether Razor sells out or not, what you are doing is what the hobby needs......thanks.

 

[gomatt]

This is the first time I've posted about Razor, but I have been following since the beginning. I am VERY IMPRESSED that you take the time to listen, and even alter, your product line for the consumer. I really believe that ThePit idea has amazing potential given its history, not only for Razor, but for ThePit as well. I believe that the key is to make them uncirculated, make them in low quantity with serial numbers, and, ideally, make them autographed.

However, they do need to be unique from what you can pull from the boxes. In '05, collectors had seen regular Refractors, XFractors, and Gold Refractors. They had never seen a Green Refractor. It looked really nice and was a distinctively unique.

I really believe that if you can give these cards a unique design, perhaps a close photo shot (like the '89 Griffey), you will have more success.

 

[cgilmo]

im suprised this got to page 2

 

[beefycheddar]

im suprised this got to page 2

I blame the market, cause well that is all everyone is doing for everything.

 

[AKA Coastal]

They all need to be numbered to /399. Numbering to different numbers is not a good idea. People try to corner the market on thepit. If you keep them all numbered at /399 this would be much tougher to do than say a card numbered /149. Don't forget some people will buy the cards and get them shipped to them. This will also take some of the cards out of the market. Keep them all at /399 and the market will be able to stay liquid.

Cards need to offered up like they were with '05 Bowman Chrome Green. Sell bulk lots of the cards to get them out there.

 

[HPC]

They all need to be numbered to /399. Numbering to different numbers is not a good idea. People try to corner the market on thepit. If you keep them all numbered at /399 this would be much tougher to do than say a card numbered /149. Don't forget some people will buy the cards and get them shipped to them. This will also take some of the cards out of the market. Keep them all at /399 and the market will be able to stay liquid.

thepit can do an IPO allowance similar to eTopps

 

[AKA Coastal]

They all need to be numbered to /399. Numbering to different numbers is not a good idea. People try to corner the market on thepit. If you keep them all numbered at /399 this would be much tougher to do than say a card numbered /149. Don't forget some people will buy the cards and get them shipped to them. This will also take some of the cards out of the market. Keep them all at /399 and the market will be able to stay liquid.

thepit can do an IPO allowance similar to eTopps

Thats not much fun. Thepit is all about bulk buying/selling. Etopps doesn't let you really "load" up on someone. First come first serve.

Example.

Thepit keeps 99 of the /399 to side where they can keep market liquid. They release up to 300 they day of the IPO to buyers. The card will reach a point where people stop buying and put in sell orders.

Player: Homer Raken
Razor Chrome Autograph /399
Buy ------------------------Sell

1-15 $7.00 ----------- 1-10 $6.00
1-15 $7.50 ----------- "etc...
1-15 $8.00
1-15 $8.50
1-15 $9.00
1-15 $9.50
1-15 $10.00

once those sell..thepit puts in more..at higher price lower lots. This will make it tough to corner the market on a player.

1-10 10.
1-10 10.50
1-10 11.00
1-10 11.50
1-10 12
1-10 12.50
1-10 12.50

after those sell out..

1-5 13.00
1-5 13.50
1-5 14.00
etc...until they sell out or the market sets itself.