Who Deserves the 2012 NL MVP by Numbers Alone?

[matfanofold]

matfanofold,
I don't quite understand your motivations in this whole debate. My interpretation thus far, is simply that you want to argue.
Rice said he knows the voters are going to be against him. I gathered that conclusion by what you just quoted as being beyond him. He said "if voters are going to do that (and they will),...)"
I think he understands what you're saying, don't you? He's just saying that he doesn't think they should, that the foundation they're basing their votes on is wrong in his opinion. His point is
valid. You said yourself, "right or wrong, the voters are going to speak..." That's pretty much the same thing, except he didn't include "right or wrong". He chose a side of the fence to be on.
To be clear,
He thinks the voters will hold it against him, and it's wrong to do so.
Your point is:
You think the voters will hold it against him, and not sure if it's wrong or right, but either way is acceptable.

Correct?

My contention is this, what does his stats matter if he is going to be shot down by the voters anyway? Thats the real heart of the matter. But yes, I believe I began argue (I's rather use debate) this fact when it may have been left of the topic. Having said this I will gather my marbles and move on.

 

[hive17]

Only thing is that the hairs you split make no difference. Bottom line, as you say, is that Braun is going to be viewed as a PED user that got away by public perception, and that includes voters. I think it is silly for anyone to dodge, dip, or all out avoid that point. His numbers this year with regard to my previous point are moot.

Yeah, everything you say is correct and I'm not arguing that. I was simply correcting your inaccuracies in that other post.

 

[hive17]

Only thing is that the hairs you split make no difference. Bottom line, as you say, is that Braun is going to be viewed as a PED user that got away by public perception, and that includes voters. I think it is silly for anyone to dodge, dip, or all out avoid that point. His numbers this year with regard to my previous point are moot.

I agree with your premise as the current facts are. But there is no way people would say his numbers this year are "moot" if those numbers sucked. You know full well that if he had middling numbers, people would be crying about what they "prove". The ironic thing is, the ONLY reason Braun's numbers this year are "moot" is because they are so stellar. And I don't mean you specifically would think this way; I believe you when you say you don't care, you're just making a point.

 

[RiceLynnEvans75]

I thought it was pretty clear what I was saying but I guess not. Oh well, at least someone understood!

matfanofold,
I don't quite understand your motivations in this whole debate. My interpretation thus far, is simply that you want to argue.
Rice said he knows the voters are going to be against him. I gathered that conclusion by what you just quoted as being beyond him. He said "if voters are going to do that (and they will),...)"
I think he understands what you're saying, don't you? He's just saying that he doesn't think they should, that the foundation they're basing their votes on is wrong in his opinion. His point is
valid. You said yourself, "right or wrong, the voters are going to speak..." That's pretty much the same thing, except he didn't include "right or wrong". He chose a side of the fence to be on.
To be clear,
He thinks the voters will hold it against him, and it's wrong to do so.
Your point is:
You think the voters will hold it against him, and not sure if it's wrong or right, but either way is acceptable.

Correct?

 

[darocker80]

is it between braun and posey still (mccuth outta the picture?)

 

[jbhofmann]

Bros don't let bros wear polos under their bro shirt....

 

[fkw]

Easy choice
clip from ESPN
"...Posey has had a second half for the ages, putting up a .389/.462/.644 line with 58 RBIs) since the All-Star break. You know how many players have equaled or bettered those numbers in the past 50 years? Exactly three: Barry Bonds (2002), Larry Walker (1999) and George Brett (1980). Because of that incredible stretch, this guy's team blew away its division. And Posey is in line both to join Joe Mauer as the only two catchers to win a batting title in the past 70 years and to become the first catcher to lead the National League in on-base percentage in 100 years..."

 

[hive17]

Easy choice
clip from ESPN
"...Posey has had a second half for the ages, putting up a .389/.462/.644 line with 58 RBIs) since the All-Star break. You know how many players have equaled or bettered those numbers in the past 50 years? Exactly three: Barry Bonds (2002), Larry Walker (1999) and George Brett (1980). Because of that incredible stretch, this guy's team blew away its division. And Posey is in line both to join Joe Mauer as the only two catchers to win a batting title in the past 70 years and to become the first catcher to lead the National League in on-base percentage in 100 years..."

So we give out awards for half a year's production? Good to know.

 

[lisu]

So we give out awards for half a year's production? Good to know.

That unfortunately is how it is. The voters will remember recent production when it counts more than production from the first half.

 

[jbhofmann]

So we give out awards for half a year's production? Good to know.

So when Braun gets suspended 50 games for PED use, he still has a shot.

 

[hive17]

So when Braun gets suspended 50 games for PED use, he still has a shot.

50 games is not half a season. You failed twice there...