Why I cant stand todays baseball players....

[rico08]

These threads bring out stupidity and ignorance.

Baseball has evolved just like every other sport. It won't be "the way it was" ever again, and it sound like some people posting have a very cloudy and skewed perception of "the way it was."

Today's athletes are better, their equipment is better, and salaries have adjusted for inflation and the multi-multi-million dollar industry that Major League Baseball has become.

 

[GoJets9096822]

These threads bring out stupidity and ignorance.

Baseball has evolved just like every other sport. It won't be "the way it was" ever again, and it sound like some people posting have a very cloudy and skewed perception of "the way it was."

Today's athletes are better, their equipment is better, and salaries have adjusted for inflation and the multi-multi-million dollar industry that Major League Baseball has become.

I disagree with the bolded statement...

 

[TomMurry]

These threads bring out stupidity and ignorance.

Baseball has evolved just like every other sport. It won't be "the way it was" ever again, and it sound like some people posting have a very cloudy and skewed perception of "the way it was."

Today's athletes are better, their equipment is better, and salaries have adjusted for inflation and the multi-multi-million dollar industry that Major League Baseball has become.

I disagree with the bolded statement...

Then you really dont know anything about baseball or the equipment being used.

 

[GoJets9096822]

There is no way that todays players could use the equipment that the players used back then...

 

[VizquelCollector.com]

These threads bring out stupidity and ignorance.

Baseball has evolved just like every other sport. It won't be "the way it was" ever again, and it sound like some people posting have a very cloudy and skewed perception of "the way it was."

Today's athletes are better, their equipment is better, and salaries have adjusted for inflation and the multi-multi-million dollar industry that Major League Baseball has become.

I disagree with the bolded statement...

Are you being serious? So at what point in history do the athletes fall short of today's athletes? Earlier in the thread you said "I am talking about from the 1850-1920ish...the dead ball era." SURELY you don't believe the ball players of that era hold a candle to the guys today? Please elaborate.

 

[JoshHamilton]

In his defense...

In the 1800's, there were no gloves. Only catchers used a 'glove' which was a thin piece of leather (twice as then as Wolverine work gloves) that did not cover the fingers. There was no catchers' gear. Catcher's masks didn't come in to play until the early part of the 20th century. Defensive substitutions were not allowed unless there was an injury. And unless you physically could not stand up or walk, injury exemptions were not granted by the ump. Getting hit by a pitch did not grant you first base - beanballs were considered balls. And to get a walk, you had to get 7 balls, not 4. Teams used two pitchers, not 5. There were no relief pitchers. Starters were expected to finish the game. Today, a heavy workload is considered 200 innings. Back in the day, most starters went 600 in a season.

The game was different back then and players were infinitely tougher

 

[sheetskout]

don't kid yourself.

Kind of the theme's thread at this point.

 

[BrewerSuperCollector]

Sports has always been about the money. You had Heisman Trophy winners not play professional football, but instead went into other professions.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Sure, some of these guys play or have played only for the money, but any given player is likely to be playing only for the money as he is playing for love of the game, its probably just like any other career out there. Some of these players have so much money that it has to become almost meaningless to at least some of them.

Interesting to see how people respond here, especially considering people tend to see others through their own experiences and values.

People believe whatever they want to believe. Pesky facts like average salary stats just get in the way...

 

[Hallsgator]

Sure, some of these guys play or have played only for the money, but any given player is likely to be playing only for the money as he is playing for love of the game, its probably just like any other career out there. Some of these players have so much money that it has to become almost meaningless to at least some of them.

Interesting to see how people respond here, especially considering people tend to see others through their own experiences and values.

People believe whatever they want to believe. Pesky facts like average salary stats just get in the way...

It's not so much that they we're playing for money, it's just many people claimed they were not making much more than the average US worker. Which according to the data, is false.

 

[BrewerSuperCollector]

Sure, some of these guys play or have played only for the money, but any given player is likely to be playing only for the money as he is playing for love of the game, its probably just like any other career out there. Some of these players have so much money that it has to become almost meaningless to at least some of them.
Interesting to see how people respond here, especially considering people tend to see others through their own experiences and values.

People believe whatever they want to believe. Pesky facts like average salary stats just get in the way...

I understand what your saying...How much money is enough? I have thought in the past why some players after they have had a large payday wouldn't play for a million or so just to win championships or go somewhere and craete a dynasty.

It seem like its a status issue on how much they're getting paid. I'm sure there's pressure from the players union also to make a s much as you can.

 

[donrusscrusademan]

Sure, some of these guys play or have played only for the money, but any given player is likely to be playing only for the money as he is playing for love of the game, its probably just like any other career out there. Some of these players have so much money that it has to become almost meaningless to at least some of them.
Interesting to see how people respond here, especially considering people tend to see others through their own experiences and values.

People believe whatever they want to believe. Pesky facts like average salary stats just get in the way...

I understand what your saying...How much money is enough? I have thought in the past why some players after they have had a large payday wouldn't play for a million or so just to win championships or go somewhere and craete a dynasty.

It seem like its a status issue on how much they're getting paid. I'm sure there's pressure from the players union also to make a s much as you can.

A-rod is a big example of that. Mariners in post 2000 offered him in the hundreds of millions, but Texas did a little more. the Ms went on to win 116 games, with their only real weakness SS.. how many games would they have won if he would have stayed? he left for more cash to a Texas team that had no pitching, and he became a greedy joke for me then.

truth probably was that A-roid was afraid of Safecos left-center dimensions.

 

[cowboysrule48]

I often wish I was born 100 years earlier just to see baseball played how it was meant to be played. I'm not saying that players back then weren't in it for the money, but I am pretty confident in saying that it was a better game back then than it is now.

 

[Fire360]

I often wish I was born 100 years earlier just to see baseball played how it was meant to be played.

Well it would have been segregated...

Obviously I jest, I know what you mean.

 

[Lars]

http://books.google.com/books?id=8SsDAA ... &q&f=false

 

[MAC16]

It's always been about money.. how about the black sox scandal? where players intentionally lost the world series for money.. thats how the game is supposed to be played rather than todays game?

 

[Therion]

I love this thread because it shows how little most people know about not only the game back then but the game today.

Everyone puts A-Rod out there as today's player. But he's a vocal minority. There are a ton of guys in the MLB playing because they love baseball more than the money.

And anyone that claims to love the history of the game but thinks it was "more pure" longlongago is a fool. Or at best a homer.

 

[jbhofmann]

In his defense...

In the 1800's, there were no gloves. Only catchers used a 'glove' which was a thin piece of leather (twice as then as Wolverine work gloves) that did not cover the fingers. There was no catchers' gear. Catcher's masks didn't come in to play until the early part of the 20th century. Defensive substitutions were not allowed unless there was an injury. And unless you physically could not stand up or walk, injury exemptions were not granted by the ump. Getting hit by a pitch did not grant you first base - beanballs were considered balls. And to get a walk, you had to get 7 balls, not 4. Teams used two pitchers, not 5. There were no relief pitchers. Starters were expected to finish the game. Today, a heavy workload is considered 200 innings. Back in the day, most starters went 600 in a season.

The game was different back then and players were infinitely tougher

I hear this angle often but to me it just doesn't hold water. That was the only way they knew to play. They adapted and grew up with that equipment.

Would LeBron James would be a scrub in the infancy of the NBA because he would play with an inferior ball, short shorts, and Chucks?

 

[VizquelCollector.com]

In his defense...

In the 1800's, there were no gloves. Only catchers used a 'glove' which was a thin piece of leather (twice as then as Wolverine work gloves) that did not cover the fingers. There was no catchers' gear. Catcher's masks didn't come in to play until the early part of the 20th century. Defensive substitutions were not allowed unless there was an injury. And unless you physically could not stand up or walk, injury exemptions were not granted by the ump. Getting hit by a pitch did not grant you first base - beanballs were considered balls. And to get a walk, you had to get 7 balls, not 4. Teams used two pitchers, not 5. There were no relief pitchers. Starters were expected to finish the game. Today, a heavy workload is considered 200 innings. Back in the day, most starters went 600 in a season.

The game was different back then and players were infinitely tougher

Infinitely tougher? As in they could take beanballs better? There's no possible way the guys back then were stronger, quicker, better at enduring pain, recovered from injury faster, etc.

I know pitchers threw more innings, but that's a function of conditioning. It seems to me that in this era of sophisticated training, the average pitcher could stretch himself much longer if the game was played that way. I don't buy for a second that somehow the men playing in 1920 were freakishly more durable.

If for no other reason than the way the leagues are organized. It's hugely more competitive to make the majors today. Guys are cut simply because they're a couple tenths of a second too slow. It's not unlike evolution, but in this case scouts are the ones selecting who survives to play. The cream of the crop- fastest, strongest, best arms, acute hitting ability, etc. Surely the average guy playing 100 years ago just didn't have the genetic makeup that the players today do.

All my opinion, of course!

 

[predatorkj]

Didn't read the whole thread but didn't the white sox throw a world series for money? Wasn't one of their star players actually nudged into helping throw the series because he didn't get a raise? And that was a long ass time ago.