Yankees agree to sign Hiroki Kuroda 1 yr $10-$11 mill

[blanning71]

I agree with wasting 10 million but Kuroda at 4 is huge and is much better than garcia hughes and Burnett

Not better than Hughes. Hughes is going to be a beast this season and he has been working out and staying healthy all winter. He is a 18 game winner when he is healthy. Kuroda will never come close to that. I agree that he is better than Garcia and Burnett, but knocking Hughes out of this rotation is not for me.

Dude wake up man. Reading your latest posts I have to question your baseball knowledge. Did you look at Kurodas stats this year. He was a very good pitcher. Hughes as much as we want to see him better just doesnt look good. Hughes in the 4/5 spot looks great.

I have to agree with Joe. I would think Hughes would get the 5 spot easily. So we're looking at a lineup of Sabathia, Pineda/Nova, Nova/Pineda, Kuroda/Garcia/AJ(most likely Kuroda), then Hughes. I hope they don't use Burnett in the 4 hole because I hate seeing him pitch. But he's got alot of money invested into him so I'm sure they'll wear him out like they did with Brien Taylor in the minors before they cut his ass.

 

[George_Calfas]

[quote="MacK":1dq320r0][quote="jbone17":1dq320r0][quote="colts1888":1dq320r0]I agree with wasting 10 million but Kuroda at 4 is huge and is much better than garcia hughes and Burnett

Not better than Hughes. Hughes is going to be a beast this season and he has been working out and staying healthy all winter. He is a 18 game winner when he is healthy. Kuroda will never come close to that. I agree that he is better than Garcia and Burnett, but knocking Hughes out of this rotation is not for me.

Hughes is a past 18 game winner, yes, but a lot of those wins simply came from being a Yankee.

Kuroda has a 3.45 ERA over 114 starts. He had a 3.07 ERA last year. Kuroda is fantastic, and could easily win 15, 16 for the Yankees. Kuroda's WAR over the last two seasons is higher both years than Hughes' best season.

Kuroda was pitching in Dodger Stadium against the NL West. Waving his ERA around is preposterous.

Kuroda has been completely consistent throughout his entire career. He puts up a WHIP of about 1.20, has a 3:1 K/BB ratio, allows less than a hit per inning, and gives you about 6 innings a start. He showed no drop off last year. I agree that his stats will take a bit of a hit going to the AL in a tougher division, but he should still be a solid back of the rotation starter who will eat innings and win 12-15 games. Why exactly do you think Kuroda is going to get lit up like a Christmas tree next year?

The NL West lineups are terrible compared to the AL East's. The NL West has three fantastic pitchers parks - including LA. The AL West has superior offenses and four parks that generally favor the hitter. His stuff is not good enough to get the strikeouts needed to be successful in that division. He was worth 2.4 fWAR last year - I'd expect at least a drop of a win to a win and a half - maybe more. I don't want to hear about pitcher wins - completely irrelevant.[/quote:1dq320r0]

How much run support win he get when compared to his old team? Will this equal a longer leash? Did the NYY signed him to win games or have a great BS sabermetrics stat line?[/quote:1dq320r0]

I think they signed him to pitch well, something that a "BS sabermetrics stat line" will indicate.

If I pitch 9 innings and give up 1 unearned run and take a loss, is that a better or worse performance than if I pitch 5 innings, give up 11 runs and get a win? Pitcher wins are a joke and the fact that they're being used as evidence of pitcher performance is embarrassing.[/quote:1dq320r0]

I dont disagree with you about "wins" and the validation on how good a pitcher is.
What I am saying; the Yankees can accept an uptick on ERA since they provide solid run support.
In 2011 he went atleast 5 innings in all but 1 start and 6+ innings all but 7 of his 32 starts.

 

[James52411]

[quote="George_Calfas":v4bbi5w7]

[quote="MacK":v4bbi5w7][quote="jbone17":v4bbi5w7][quote="colts1888":v4bbi5w7]I agree with wasting 10 million but Kuroda at 4 is huge and is much better than garcia hughes and Burnett

Not better than Hughes. Hughes is going to be a beast this season and he has been working out and staying healthy all winter. He is a 18 game winner when he is healthy. Kuroda will never come close to that. I agree that he is better than Garcia and Burnett, but knocking Hughes out of this rotation is not for me.

Hughes is a past 18 game winner, yes, but a lot of those wins simply came from being a Yankee.

Kuroda has a 3.45 ERA over 114 starts. He had a 3.07 ERA last year. Kuroda is fantastic, and could easily win 15, 16 for the Yankees. Kuroda's WAR over the last two seasons is higher both years than Hughes' best season.

Kuroda was pitching in Dodger Stadium against the NL West. Waving his ERA around is preposterous.

Kuroda has been completely consistent throughout his entire career. He puts up a WHIP of about 1.20, has a 3:1 K/BB ratio, allows less than a hit per inning, and gives you about 6 innings a start. He showed no drop off last year. I agree that his stats will take a bit of a hit going to the AL in a tougher division, but he should still be a solid back of the rotation starter who will eat innings and win 12-15 games. Why exactly do you think Kuroda is going to get lit up like a Christmas tree next year?

The NL West lineups are terrible compared to the AL East's. The NL West has three fantastic pitchers parks - including LA. The AL West has superior offenses and four parks that generally favor the hitter. His stuff is not good enough to get the strikeouts needed to be successful in that division. He was worth 2.4 fWAR last year - I'd expect at least a drop of a win to a win and a half - maybe more. I don't want to hear about pitcher wins - completely irrelevant.[/quote:v4bbi5w7]

How much run support win he get when compared to his old team? Will this equal a longer leash? Did the NYY signed him to win games or have a great BS sabermetrics stat line?[/quote:v4bbi5w7]

I think they signed him to pitch well, something that a "BS sabermetrics stat line" will indicate.

If I pitch 9 innings and give up 1 unearned run and take a loss, is that a better or worse performance than if I pitch 5 innings, give up 11 runs and get a win? Pitcher wins are a joke and the fact that they're being used as evidence of pitcher performance is embarrassing.[/quote:v4bbi5w7]

I dont disagree with you about "wins" and the validation on how good a pitcher is.
What I am saying; the Yankees can accept an uptick on ERA since they provide solid run support.
In 2011 he went atleast 5 innings in all but 1 start and 6+ innings all but 7 of his 32 starts.[/quote:v4bbi5w7]

George is right. I'll also point out that it makes a big difference when you can count on the back end of your rotation to eat innings and deliver you into the back third of a ballgame consistently. With the Yankees offense and lights out bullpen, if Kuroda consistently gives up 3 runs in 6 innings, they'll win a bunch of ballgames and the Yankee bullpen will benefit from not experiencing as many AJ Burnett flameouts.

 

[vwnut13]

After Kuroda finished his regular season today, I decided to come back and look at this thread. Looks like Kuroda is the only JApanese pitcher who has been succesful for an extended period of time, and probably the only pitcher to go from the NL West to the AL East and succeed.


This thread is pretty damn epic.

Kuroda was pitching in Dodger Stadium against the NL West. Waving his ERA around is preposterous.

Kuroda is going to get ripped in New York.

2.72 ERA in 132.1 innings in Yankee Stadium

The NL West lineups are terrible compared to the AL East's. The NL West has three fantastic pitchers parks - including LA. The AL West has superior offenses and four parks that generally favor the hitter. His stuff is not good enough to get the strikeouts needed to be successful in that division. He was worth 2.4 fWAR last year - I'd expect at least a drop of a win to a win and a half - maybe more. I don't want to hear about pitcher wins - completely irrelevant.

2011 fWAR - 2.2 | 2012 fWAR - 3.6

 

[markakis8]

After Kuroda finished his regular season today, I decided to come back and look at this thread. Looks like Kuroda is the only JApanese pitcher who has been succesful for an extended period of time, and probably the only pitcher to go from the NL West to the AL East and succeed.


This thread is pretty damn epic.







2.72 ERA in 132.1 innings in Yankee Stadium



2011 fWAR - 2.2 | 2012 fWAR - 3.6

You seem to take great pleasure in bumping old threads and proving people wrong - which is fine. I'm sure Wes would have no problem admitting he was wrong in this instance. But I would need two body clones to count on both hands and feet the amount of times you've been wrong about a player - and that's just talking players on your favorite team, the Yankees, let alone the rest of the MLB.

 

[James52411]

I fully support bumping all threads where my opinion is proven correct.


Please bump all the old threads on FCB.

 

[Wes]

After Kuroda finished his regular season today, I decided to come back and look at this thread. Looks like Kuroda is the only JApanese pitcher who has been succesful for an extended period of time, and probably the only pitcher to go from the NL West to the AL East and succeed.


This thread is pretty damn epic.







2.72 ERA in 132.1 innings in Yankee Stadium



2011 fWAR - 2.2 | 2012 fWAR - 3.6

I was wrong. He beat some pretty tough odds between the league shift and the ballpark factors.

 

[HPC]

After Kuroda finished his regular season today, I decided to come back and look at this thread. Looks like Kuroda is the only JApanese pitcher who has been succesful for an extended period of time, and probably the only pitcher to go from the NL West to the AL East and succeed.

Did you forget about Hideo Nomo when you made that statement?

 

[Tom Oates]

I'm a Dodger fan so I did not chime into the orignal thread. I was sad to see Kuroda leave since he was a workhorse and IMO a was a valuabe member of our rotation. I don't pretend to be a sabermetric genious or even claim to be "knowledgable" but I had faith in him based on past perforemance. I suspected he would hold his own and I'm happy for him that he had a good season. I'm curious to see what hsi next contract will look like...

Tom

 

[Anthony K.]

If the Yankees are able to dump AJ, everyone can come to my house and celebrate with some 30 year old Scotch!

I forgot to bring this up earlier in the year but, uh, are we still invited over for that scotch

 

[zach]

I forgot to bring this up earlier in the year but, uh, are we still invited over for that scotch

Too late. We already celebrated. The Macallen bottle is empty.....LOL

 

[Pine Tar]

wow I just listed this card last night on that selling site

 

[vwnut13]

Kuroda saw his mediocre 2.72 ERA in Yankee Stadium last year and thought he should do better.


1.54 ERA in Yankee Stadium this season.




Hiroki Kuroda is the most underrated player in baseball.

 

[James52411]

No one could have expected the dominance Kuroda has exhibited this year; it's been very impressive. He's gone from good to great.