Ziegler VS Peds

[jbhofmann]

But for those coming up with things like TJ and the gym, get your heads out of your...lack of knowledge.

Ask yourself this question: Does Florida State want to get Jameis Winston LASIK because they want to better his life or better their chances at a National Championship?

Does a platelet rich plasma treatment in Germany enhance Kobe Bryant's chances of playing longer?


Athletes have been enhancing their performance for years with substances that are legal. If they are doing it legally through the care of a doctor, then why is it frowned upon? The only answer is era comparison.

 

[BBCgalaxee]

If you fail, the team can void the contract. That's what it should be.

But the players have such an incredible unfair hold on owners that it won't happen. But of course, some owners are to blame too.

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[Austin]

My number one problem with steroids is that kids emulate their sports heroes, and think they must use PEDs to succeed.

Pro athletes can afford the best quality, safest drugs.
High school kids can't and buy dangerous crap off the internet or from a guy's trunk.

High school athletes put their lives at risk with counterfeit steroids with who knows what in them, or any drugs without doctor's supervision.

 

[Super Mario]

My number one problem with steroids is that kids emulate their sports heroes, and think they must use PEDs to succeed.
Pro athletes can afford the best quality, safest drugs.
High school kids can't and buy dangerous crap off the internet or from a guy's trunk.
High school athletes put their lives at risk with low-quality steroids, or counterfeit steroids.
Actually, any steroids can be life-threatening without doctor's supervision.

Sounds like kids need better parents.

 

[CubsfanP]

Sounds like kids need better parents.

Just curious...How many kids do you have?

 

[predatorkj]

Ask yourself this question: Does Florida State want to get Jameis Winston LASIK because they want to better his life or better their chances at a National Championship?

Does a platelet rich plasma treatment in Germany enhance Kobe Bryant's chances of playing longer?


Athletes have been enhancing their performance for years with substances that are legal. If they are doing it legally through the care of a doctor, then why is it frowned upon? The only answer is era comparison.

Nothing legal will give you the boost that steroids do. End of that discussion. The only question is do you want them to be legal? That's the bottom line. They are illegal because they are a controlled substance. The government has to make the first move on this issue and they sure as hell aren't going to do it for MLB's sake.

 

[predatorkj]

Just curious...How many kids do you have?

Doesn't matter. Kids also do things like Skoal and Copenhagen because players do. There are always kids who do stupid stuff because they see others doing it and it does at some point come down to the choices the kid makes and the values a parent instills.

 

[r2d2]

For the betterment of the United States as a whole.

Could you imagine the incredibly mediocre numbers Jorge Cantu could have put up if he juiced every day? He would have been slightly above average, and that's better for everybody.

I am sorry to let you know that medicine doesn't work that way. There is not a single health benefit for the use of steroids that has been suggested on this topic that make it worthwhile the side effects.

 

[Super Mario]

I am sorry to let you know that medicine doesn't work that way. There is not a single health benefit for the use of steroids that has been suggested on this topic that make it worthwhile the side effects.

Clearly I was being facetious.

No need to go all doctor on me.

 

[jbhofmann]

Nothing legal will give you the boost that steroids do. End of that discussion. The only question is do you want them to be legal? That's the bottom line. They are illegal because they are a controlled substance. The government has to make the first move on this issue and they sure as hell aren't going to do it for MLB's sake.

If I was his optometrist, if I was his coach, if I was his parent, I would make sure he's wearing correction when he plays. His performance should be better with contacts than without.

-- Steven A. Hitzeman,clinical associate professor at Indiana's
School of Optometry, on Jameis Winston

 

[gmsieb]

Having good vision is important to life. Doesn't make you bigger, stronger, or faster. And isn't cheating. Taking illegal drugs or banned peds to increase size, speed, and strength is cheating.

 

[jbhofmann]

Having good vision is important to life. Doesn't make you bigger, stronger, or faster. And isn't cheating. Taking illegal drugs or banned peds to increase size, speed, and strength is cheating.

This simply isn't true. While playing without any corrective lenses I could not see a linebacker's eyes, defensive lineman's hand pressure, or defensive back's tip offs of their blitzes.

When I went to corrective lenses my game went to another level.


The greats of the hitting world (Williams, Gwynn) could see the rotation of the seams and decipher the pitch much faster than the average hitter. This was a natural advantage for them.


Of course it's not the same level as anabolic steroids but my point was that PEDs are only looked down upon in baseball because numbers are so sacred.

 

[gmsieb]

They are nowhere close to each other.

 

[Crewfan82]

As others have said, where do you draw the line? The Lasik vs steroids comparison may be a bit of a stretch, but most of the PEDs guys are taking are not anabolic steroids but other things like synthetic testosterone or other that are not illegal substances outside of baseball.

There are plenty of legal supplements like creatine that make players bigger and stronger much faster than regular exercise, which everyone seems fine with. What is cheating and what is not?

 

[cards01fan]

Of course it's not the same level as anabolic steroids but my point was that PEDs are only looked down upon in baseball because numbers are so sacred.[/QUOTE]
A couple interesting points, NFL players serve their suspension and its over. The NBA does pretty much nothing. In baseball you are scum of the earth. This makes no sense at all.

 

[cards01fan]

JB I butchered your quote lol

 

[matfanofold]

I just think the MLB (and any sport dabbling around) needs to quit playing games and send a statement once and for all. Either allow and embrace PED's or totally ban them with harshness. Want to rid baseball of the VAST majority of PED usage? Here is how you do it.

1. Any pro athlete in the minors caught using PED's is suspended for 1 full calendar year and the parent MLB club is fined $1,000,000.
2. Any Pro MLB player caught using PED's he is suspended (without pay) for 1 full calendar year and the team is fined $1,000,000.
3. Any player caught 2 times and he is done with professional sports for good. Contract voided, and MLB club fined $5,000,000.
4. Individual teams can administer their own testing to avoid potential fines. As long as they follow the 1 yr / for good suspension rule with their own findings.

Every single player in professional baseball will be tested no less than 10 times a year. 3 scheduled and 7 random.

If we start holding the people accountable that have/are turning a blind eye (the managers/owners) then you will see how quickly things change. If the entire culture of professional baseball dictates you destroy your career and punish your team by using PED's, 99% of potential users would think twice. I honestly do not really care, but for pete sake, XXXX or get off the pot.

 

[CubsfanP]

I just think the MLB (and any sport dabbling around) needs to quit playing games and send a statement once and for all. Either allow and embrace PED's or totally ban them with harshness. Want to rid baseball of the VAST majority of PED usage? Here is how you do it.

1. Any pro athlete in the minors caught using PED's is suspended for 1 full calendar year and the parent MLB club is fined $1,000,000.
2. Any Pro MLB player caught using PED's he is suspended (without pay) for 1 full calendar year and the team is fined $1,000,000.
3. Any player caught 2 times and he is done with professional sports for good. Contract voided, and MLB club fined $5,000,000.
4. Individual teams can administer their own testing to avoid potential fines. As long as they follow the 1 yr / for good suspension rule with their own findings.

Every single player in professional baseball will be tested no less than 10 times a year. 3 scheduled and 7 random.

If we start holding the people accountable that have/are turning a blind eye (the managers/owners) then you will see how quickly things change. If the entire culture of professional baseball dictates you destroy your career and punish your team by using PED's, 99% of potential users would think twice. I honestly do not really care, but for pete sake, XXXX or get off the pot.

I'm all for finding solutions for PED use but good grief that's a lot of piss.


Slight overkill 10 times per year

 

[Austin]

I just think the MLB (and any sport dabbling around) needs to quit playing games and send a statement once and for all.

That's an admirable and idealistic way of thinking, and MLB would love to repair its image and start banning and fining PED users.
However, MLB does not have the absolute power to do this.

Every major new rule and decision it makes, involving all players as a group, must be negotiated with the players union.
And the union hates rules that severely punishes its players, (especially those containing bans).

So unless the players union backs down and allows MLB absolute power in banning players, it will probably never happen.

By the way, when Pete Rose was banned in 1989, he was a manager, not a player, so the union was not involved.

 

[elmalo]

If MLB actually wanted to clean up the sport they would implement testing that actually catches users. The testing that they have right now is an absolute joke. The testing in all the major sports is an absolute joke. It is a big rouse and most fans have fallen for it. Y'all need to stop talking like we are out of the steroid era. We will never be out of the steroid era, for one simple reason, they work. As long as they work there will be athletes, more than most fans want to admit, who will use them. Baseball has not been clean since the late 60's and it isnt any cleaner now than it was in the 90's.