ChasHawk
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the linear explanation is...it's fake or topps F'd up... :lol:
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ChasHawk said:the linear explanation is...it's fake or topps F'd up... :lol:
ChasHawk said:the linear explanation is...it's fake or topps F'd up... :lol:
Sjrmn91 said:morgoth said:I would love to have a piece like that for my Pirates collection but based on the Tag history it appears to just be a Pirates jersey that Clemente never wore.
I can see a transition phase from old to new but I can't see a Tag that was started in 74 being on a jersey in 72. Even if you give a one year phase in period it still is off by a year.
The issue with me is that even if it was not a fake patch it still has little value to me since it obviously never touched Clemente.
Going off of the phase in theory, and I know this may be grasping at straws, but is it possible it could have been part of a jersey used/displayed at his HOF induction in 1973?
homerun28aa said:I doubt it's fake why is there NO chance that Clemente wore a jersey a year or so later that was made from a previous year? If this is fake which I doubt, the documentation on the jersey Topps bought was fake. It is not difficult for them to buy game used jerseys especially of current players just have that player put it on. It is not a "wow that's a pretty card" thing, people are buying them taking into account that if this proved to be a major fraud there would be MAJOR jail time. Think about all of Topps' employees, this stuff would get out, they do make mistakes, yes. They produce SO many jersey cards of course some are going to be misplaced in others'. That's a given
In terms of the wording the Topps Tribute World Series cards, multiple collectors were advertising the Ruth bat and Cobb jerseys and things like that as being USED IN the world series just because it was a world series tribute card. The wording is merely to protect things like this. Like a rookie review jersey isn't necessarily worn rookie year, stuff like that. Some collectors are more brainless than Topps.
morgoth said:homerun28aa said:I doubt it's fake why is there NO chance that Clemente wore a jersey a year or so later that was made from a previous year? If this is fake which I doubt, the documentation on the jersey Topps bought was fake. It is not difficult for them to buy game used jerseys especially of current players just have that player put it on. It is not a "wow that's a pretty card" thing, people are buying them taking into account that if this proved to be a major fraud there would be MAJOR jail time. Think about all of Topps' employees, this stuff would get out, they do make mistakes, yes. They produce SO many jersey cards of course some are going to be misplaced in others'. That's a given
In terms of the wording the Topps Tribute World Series cards, multiple collectors were advertising the Ruth bat and Cobb jerseys and things like that as being USED IN the world series just because it was a world series tribute card. The wording is merely to protect things like this. Like a rookie review jersey isn't necessarily worn rookie year, stuff like that. Some collectors are more brainless than Topps.
Your timeline is off is the reason why. Clemente was dead in 1972, the tag on that patch card wasn't used until 1974. Unless Clemente owned a time machine, went into the future had Wilson make a Jersey for him with that type of tag and brought it back into the past and used it during his final season...........yeah no chance.
I said on page 1 that Clemente's last season was in 1972.wolfmanalfredo said:Thank you, after reading through the thread post by post I refuse to believe that anyone with general baseball knowledge doesn't know Clemente died shortly after the 1972 season. This is the first post where someone adressed that. Even if there was a year trial before the 74 tag switch, he still in no way could have worn a jersey after 1972 because he had already passed on.morgoth said:homerun28aa said:I doubt it's fake why is there NO chance that Clemente wore a jersey a year or so later that was made from a previous year? If this is fake which I doubt, the documentation on the jersey Topps bought was fake. It is not difficult for them to buy game used jerseys especially of current players just have that player put it on. It is not a "wow that's a pretty card" thing, people are buying them taking into account that if this proved to be a major fraud there would be MAJOR jail time. Think about all of Topps' employees, this stuff would get out, they do make mistakes, yes. They produce SO many jersey cards of course some are going to be misplaced in others'. That's a given
In terms of the wording the Topps Tribute World Series cards, multiple collectors were advertising the Ruth bat and Cobb jerseys and things like that as being USED IN the world series just because it was a world series tribute card. The wording is merely to protect things like this. Like a rookie review jersey isn't necessarily worn rookie year, stuff like that. Some collectors are more brainless than Topps.
Your timeline is off is the reason why. Clemente was dead in 1972, the tag on that patch card wasn't used until 1974. Unless Clemente owned a time machine, went into the future had Wilson make a Jersey for him with that type of tag and brought it back into the past and used it during his final season...........yeah no chance.
homerun28aa said:I obviously know when Clemente died, why don't you guys think Topps knows as much info as you do? You don't think Topps can do a simple search for tag patches or something like that? There could be many explanations, considering Clemente was a major leaguer and a star they could have made him a jersey a couple years ago that was released later for everyone else, there are numerous explanations. You guys are saying Topps is risking the MAJOR jail time that comes along with having no authentic game used items?
Musial Collector said:If you "obviously know when Clemente died" then why did you ask such a foolish question then?
To be honest, they way you wrote it and the way it reads is you are asking why is it not possible that Clemente didnt wear a jersey after 1974.
Really, read it a few times.
homerun28aa said:I obviously know when Clemente died, why don't you guys think Topps knows as much info as you do? You don't think Topps can do a simple search for tag patches or something like that? There could be many explanations, considering Clemente was a major leaguer and a star they could have made him a jersey a couple years ago that was released later for everyone else, there are numerous explanations. You guys are saying Topps is risking the MAJOR jail time that comes along with having no authentic game used items?
homerun28aa wrote:
I doubt it's fake why is there NO chance that Clemente wore a jersey a year or so later that was made from a previous year?
Sjrmn91 said:Musial Collector said:If you "obviously know when Clemente died" then why did you ask such a foolish question then?
To be honest, they way you wrote it and the way it reads is you are asking why is it not possible that Clemente didnt wear a jersey after 1974.
Really, read it a few times.
homerun28aa said:I obviously know when Clemente died, why don't you guys think Topps knows as much info as you do? You don't think Topps can do a simple search for tag patches or something like that? There could be many explanations, considering Clemente was a major leaguer and a star they could have made him a jersey a couple years ago that was released later for everyone else, there are numerous explanations. You guys are saying Topps is risking the MAJOR jail time that comes along with having no authentic game used items?
homerun28aa wrote:
I doubt it's fake why is there NO chance that Clemente wore a jersey a year or so later that was made from a previous year?
::facepalm:: ::facepalm::
ChasHawk said:He just doesn't seem to get that the tag on that card was made after Clemente died...smdh