Valiant vs. Chrome (rare parallels)

Topnotchsy · Nov 24, 2011

I'm sure there are plenty of people who are sick of the comparisons, and plenty of others who will say that they should not be compared at all. If you are one of those, please click out of the thread now, and I apologize if I have wasted your time.

As many others, I've been watching both Chrome and Valiant. With the release of Draft last week we can now compare actual numbers.

A single example, both /5:

Trevor Bauer Red Refractor Auto - BO $880 (another is at auction at $500 with time left)

$(KGrHqZ,!nkE63U,g-DYBOzGhuC!,Q~~60_12.JPG

Trevor Bauer Valiant Black Refractor Auto - $83

$(KGrHqR,!lgE5uuTHB48BOuuz!WtJQ~~60_3.JPG

On a side note, does anyone know what Bauer wrote at the end of his signature on the Valiant card?

lisu · Nov 24, 2011

Kgang

Jared · Nov 24, 2011

Do you have a price on a Leaf Metal Chrome Red Refractor /5? I think the Metals are good looking as well and should be compared if Valiants are.

miguelcabrera · Nov 24, 2011

i remember when the top players in 08 draft like posey etc were getting more than 800 for their golds and like 4k plus for their reds....oh wossa..............so 800 for a top player's red this year doesnt seem TOO bad

P_Manning 18 · Nov 24, 2011

Javier Baez /25

Leaf Metal - $25.00

$(KGrHqR,!h!E6Zf-pYFIBOu2TONO6g~~60_3.JPG

Leaf Valient - $25.00

$(KGrHqIOKo0E6e52W4SUBOyBNoCjYg~~60_12.JPG

Bowman Chrome - $125.50 ( 2 days left )

$(KGrHqRHJBUE63VVIkriBOzVoemgi!~~60_12.JPG

Ty Hope · Nov 24, 2011

Don't forget to take into consideration the odds of pulling one vs the other. MUCH more BDP out there to rip. I think when Sterling is released it will be at least a little closer to a fair comparison.

Topnotchsy · Nov 25, 2011

Ty Hope said:
Don't forget to take into consideration the odds of pulling one vs the other. MUCH more BDP out there to rip. I think when Sterling is released it will be at least a little closer to a fair comparison.

Definitely a valid point, though I wonder how much this will matter in the long run. I think that people tend to forget things like that over time, and work based on the scarcity. Of course it would depend a lot on how well accepted the Leaf releases become.

Bob Loblaw · Nov 25, 2011

Wait until there are another 2 parallel /25 Leaf autos.

sneekc · Nov 25, 2011

im pretty unimpressed with the value of anything "Leaf". It seems the only people who give a damn about Brian's products are on FCB. It's really too bad because it's a nice set and all. Without an MLBPA and MLB license though, the Leaf brand will never be of secondary value.

George_Calfas · Nov 25, 2011

Bob Loblaw said:
Wait until there are another 2 parallel /25 Leaf autos.

Ty Hope · Nov 25, 2011

sneekc said:
im pretty unimpressed with the value of anything "Leaf". It seems the only people who give a damn about Brian's products are on FCB. It's really too bad because it's a nice set and all. Without an MLBPA and MLB license though, the Leaf brand will never be of secondary value.

Which is why they are great for player collectors in their PCs. Can't say much for prospectors though.

beefycheddar · Nov 25, 2011

George_Calfas said:
[quote="Bob Loblaw":gf4sih53]Wait until there are another 2 parallel /25 Leaf autos.

[/quote:gf4sih53]

He has beaten the dead more than Rick Grimes.

allstars · Nov 25, 2011

Topnotchsy said:
Ty Hope said:

Don't forget to take into consideration the odds of pulling one vs the other. MUCH more BDP out there to rip. I think when Sterling is released it will be at least a little closer to a fair comparison.

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Definitely a valid point, though I wonder how much this will matter in the long run. I think that people tend to forget things like that over time, and work based on the scarcity. Of course it would depend a lot on how well accepted the Leaf releases become.

How valid do you think it is? Sterling is $50/pack.

The bottom line is licensing, plain & simple. As long as Leaf is unlicensed the collector majority will never take it seriously, just like Classic, Press Pass, Sage etc in the past. This will never change. As soon as licensed versions of the unlicensed players hit the market collector interest will fall from low to lower. For a prospector unlicensed cards are a loosing proposition.

Jared · Nov 25, 2011

allstars said:
Topnotchsy said:

Ty Hope said:

Don't forget to take into consideration the odds of pulling one vs the other. MUCH more BDP out there to rip. I think when Sterling is released it will be at least a little closer to a fair comparison.

Click to expand...

Definitely a valid point, though I wonder how much this will matter in the long run. I think that people tend to forget things like that over time, and work based on the scarcity. Of course it would depend a lot on how well accepted the Leaf releases become.

Click to expand...

How valid do you think it is? Sterling is $50/pack.

The bottom line is licensing, plain & simple. As long as Leaf is unlicensed the collector majority will never take it seriously, just like Classic, Press Pass, Sage etc in the past. This will never change. As soon as licensed versions of the unlicensed players hit the market collector interest will fall from low to lower. For a prospector unlicensed cards are a loosing proposition.

Elite cards are photoshopped because they have no licensing and they are pretty popular with the collecting community. For example, Matt Moore elite autographs sell for the same as his base chrome autographs.

Ty Hope · Nov 25, 2011

Well, maybe it will take some time for the name and brand to catch on like Elite. More options for the collector is not a bad thing IMO. Hell, they are great looking cards with on-card autos! What more can you ask of a non-license product? No one is forced to buy any.

And everyone here knows Leaf and I have had issues. I love their recent efforts though.

allstars · Nov 25, 2011

Jared said:
Elite cards are photoshopped because they have no licensing and they are pretty popular with the collecting community. For example, Matt Moore elite autographs sell for the same as his base chrome autographs.

Yes but if I'm not mistaken Elite base autos are numbered no?

Wes · Nov 26, 2011

Base chrome prices vs Base Valiant and Base Metal is a better comparison IMO.

Titans74 · Nov 26, 2011

sneekc said:
im pretty unimpressed with the value of anything "Leaf". It seems the only people who give a damn about Brian's products are on FCB. It's really too bad because it's a nice set and all. Without an MLBPA and MLB license though, the Leaf brand will never be of secondary value.

QFT

sneekc · Nov 26, 2011

Titans74 said:
sneekc said:

im pretty unimpressed with the value of anything "Leaf". It seems the only people who give a damn about Brian's products are on FCB. It's really too bad because it's a nice set and all. Without an MLBPA and MLB license though, the Leaf brand will never be of secondary value.

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QFT

What?

aminors · Nov 26, 2011

sneekc said:
Titans74 said:

sneekc said:

im pretty unimpressed with the value of anything "Leaf". It seems the only people who give a damn about Brian's products are on FCB. It's really too bad because it's a nice set and all. Without an MLBPA and MLB license though, the Leaf brand will never be of secondary value.

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QFT

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