Greinke breaks his collar bone

[lisu]

Only problem w/ this is that Quentin takes 3-4 steps towards the mound before Grienke says a word. Grienke said something in reaction to CQ coming towards him. If he just goes to 1st w/o staring and then walking towards pitcher nothing happens. I'm sure if he charged Cain in the same fashion Giants fans would feel differently. (And I will concede Cain would have put up a much better fight.)

Yah, I understand - it's your #2 pitcher, and it sucks that he got injured. It just seemed kind of a fluke that he broke his collarbone, but he also put his left shoulder into a guy charging him who is much bigger. It's just hard to say what he said to CQ (when and what), but obviously the umps thought he said something to instigate CQ also, because they ejected him also. Sometimes these are the injuries that bring your team together though. At least it's at the beginning of the season.

 

[A_Pharis]

I totally agree but that's not how punishment typically works in our society. I guess another example would be Kermit Washington... there had been several punches thrown before in NBA games and several since. There were several thrown in this very game before his. Why was his punishment the most severe ($10,000 fine and 60 game suspension)... because it badly injured Rudy T.

Man. You cannot compare the punishment in this case to anything outside of baseball. Context. Context. Context.
If that were the case, how many players would be brought up on assault charges?

Come on now.

 

[ballerskrip]

Is this on top of the plate?

...honest question

I would absolutely say yes, at set up, it appears he isn't. But watch where his elbow is when the ball is nearing the strike zone, he is literally over the plate. Olney Guillen actually tweeted a picture of Quentin OVER the plate when the ball was approaching.

 

[A_Pharis]

Only problem w/ this is that Quentin takes 3-4 steps towards the mound before Grienke says a word. Grienke said something in reaction to CQ coming towards him. If he just goes to 1st w/o staring and then walking towards pitcher nothing happens. I'm sure if he charged Cain in the same fashion Giants fans would feel differently. (And I will concede Cain would have put up a much better fight.)

You can't separate yourself from your love of the Dodgers. Both people played a part in this. The guy didn't attempt to mitigate the injury to himself by exercising caution and proper evasion of the situation. He saw it escalate, and he fully prepared himself to take part in it. Had he not been hurt - it would have been no big deal.

 

[ronfromfresno]

Personally, I think Quentin should be suspended for 8 games, about the same amount of starts Greinke would have made over a 6 week period. But I think that won't be case because you can't pin-point when the break happened. Did it happen on the block, or maybe in the dog pile, who knows? If you can't prove the break on Quentin and both he and Greinke are both responsible for the fight, then the suspension goes for the normal amount of time.

 

[A_Pharis]

I would absolutely say yes, at set up, it appears he isn't. But watch where his elbow is when the ball is nearing the strike zone, he is literally over the plate. Olney Guillen actually tweeted a picture of Quentin OVER the plate when the ball was approaching.

I don't know what picture he tweeted, but if you pause the video and go frame by frame at around 4 seconds in.. you see that the closest his elbow gets to being over the plate is still NOT over the plate. He's a stout guy.. stout guys tend to not be divers. You think in the split second it took for the ball to leave Greinke's hand make it to the plate that CQ had the ability to decide to intentionally get hit?

Come on, now. The guy turned as soon as he realize it was really coming in, and he took it off of the arm.

 

[A_Pharis]

Personally, I think Quentin should be suspended for 8 games, about the same amount of starts Greinke would have made over a 6 week period. But I think that won't be case because you can't pin-point when the break happened. Did it happen on the block, or maybe in the dog pile, who knows? If you can't prove the break on Quentin and both he and Greinke are both responsible for the fight, then the suspension goes for the normal amount of time.

Did it happen on the block, or maybe in the dog pile, who knows? If you can't prove the break on Quentin and both he and Greinke are both responsible for the fight

both he and Greinke are both responsible for the fight

Ding ding ding!

IMO - Greinke needs to learn to pick his battles.

 

[gogosox40]

~ if they don't want players charging the mound they should accept cash only ~

 

[A_Pharis]

lol

 

[joey12508]

quentin was in the wrong for charging the mound. should be hit with whatever the fine is for doing that. nothing more because of the injury.

 

[Waxov]

~ if they don't want players charging the mound they should accept cash only ~

high-o!

 

[bigbov]

Man. You cannot compare the punishment in this case to anything outside of baseball. Context. Context. Context.
If that were the case, how many players would be brought up on assault charges?

Come on now.

I have to compare it outside of baseball because this is a first for baseball. If pitchers had broken bones in these kind of incidents before then a precedent would be set.

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[A_Pharis]

The broken bone is incidental. I can't believe Dodger fans are trying to make this bigger than stuff like people getting kicked in the face with cleats during the Reds (?) brawl a couple of seasons back... or bats (weapons) being thrown at umpires. If the guy is that brittle, then he needs to work on strengthening his bones.

 

[saferseas]

Greinke actually thought he would take on the Padres’ Carlos Quentin in a mound confrontation after hitting him with a pitch in the sixth inning, throwing down his glove and saying something to him in macho fashion as if to prove something to his new teammates?

Quote from another news story. LOL.

Hmm. That's funny considering Greinke threw his glove down after Quentin was already running at him.

 

[A_Pharis]

Just heard Reggie Sanders say this on ESPN Radio: "You don't charge a mound to give hugs."
The body language that Greinke gave said "I'm ready - let's go."

 

[jbhofmann]

Gypsy Queen Variation

 

[Waxov]

hahaha nice, is it a shortprint?

I was waiting for the one with game-used bone chippings.

 

[alexs64]

The broken bone is incidental. I can't believe Dodger fans are trying to make this bigger than stuff like people getting kicked in the face with cleats during the Reds (?) brawl a couple of seasons back... or bats (weapons) being thrown at umpires. If the guy is that brittle, then he needs to work on strengthening his bones.

Not all of us. Kershaw would have pp
ut a Texas whoopin on QC. Don't think that if Kershaw has a game in the next series someone isn't getting beaned. Hello Mr. Parra Part Deaux.

 

[Waxov]

Not all of us. Kershaw would have pp
ut a Texas whoopin on QC. Don't think that if Kershaw has a game in the next series someone isn't getting beaned. Hello Mr. Parra Part Deaux.

Also if the situation was Kershaw the teammates would have gotten to QC twice as fast guaranteed.

 

[alexs64]

Someone didnt want to fight....