2008 Razor Metal Gold Auto vs. 2010 Pro Debut Gold Non-Auto

[Razor]

When the Razor guy shows up to defend his product and make trades the thread is officially declared deceased.

At least he's here. Where's Topps... probably finding a way to put WBC cards into 2010 products even though it's not for another 4 years. lol Hey, I like Topps products, I like anything that is collectible... but I'm not naive enough to put too much value in something of theirs when there is an earlier autographed option. Their Minor League products will still just be MInor League products. I do think it will be cool if they use the same design as their MLB product.

Funny part is I buy Topps products also!!!!!!!
A matter of fact, Im breaking some Bowman Draft next week.
BG

 

[kentuckyderby]

Well if BDP orange not an option then I lean auto version card

Don't know yet how the public will accept the new Topps product
Will it be hot or will it be like regular Topps base?

Now realizing BDP not an option to the discussion, why compare Razor auto versus lesser options? Kind of a slap in face

It's like comparing an average looking chick versus the average looking chick's
cousin who you didn't see yet but are basing it on genetics

 

[Sean_C]

The people involved with Topps are smart enough not to let their brand be affected by the things one of their execs may say. There is very little to gain and far too much to lose to get involved in discussions / flame wars on message boards (it took the guys over at PSA far too long to learn that lesson).

When the Razor guy shows up to defend his product and make trades the thread is officially declared deceased.

At least he's here. Where's Topps... probably finding a way to put WBC cards into 2010 products even though it's not for another 4 years. lol Hey, I like Topps products, I like anything that is collectible... but I'm not naive enough to put too much value in something of theirs when there is an earlier autographed option. Their Minor League products will still just be MInor League products. I do think it will be cool if they use the same design as their MLB product.

 

[NYCrulesU]

You keep making comparisons that simply do not work.

Look. Topps better than Razor. Score better than Razor. Donruss Elite better than Razor. Just better than Razor. Tri-Star better than Razor. You want to make an accurate comparison? Try using Scoreboard. SB and Razor are about equal as far as popularity goes.

If you don't like Razor, don't buy it. We know your biased opinion by now, move on.
I have emails from TONS of people who quit buying UD or Topps products this year because they got punished every time they opened the products.

If you are so sure my product sucks, take me up on my trade offer.
Money where your MOUTH is?
BG

First, you're wrong. It's not a matter of like or dislike. I don't have a love for any one particular brand. I just don't like how you pimp your product here then cut and run out on your customers. You've padded your pockets, good for you. Stop trying to paint your product as the next best thing, it isn't.


Second, I have just as much right to post in this thread as you do. So no, I won't be moving on.


Third, you are right. Many people fed up with many various aspects of the game are tired with UD and Topps. But please, don't make it sound (as your statement clearly show you are) like they quit buying UD and Topps and found Utopia with Razor. We know that's not true.


As far as your trade offer goes, I wouldn't waste my money buying a Razor product to trade you when I could just simply buy whatever Topps rc's I wanted. Simple as that.


Your true colors shine through abundantly when you face staunch opposition.

 

[rico08]

When the Razor guy shows up to defend his product and make trades the thread is officially declared deceased.

At least he's here. Where's Topps... probably finding a way to put WBC cards into 2010 products even though it's not for another 4 years. lol Hey, I like Topps products, I like anything that is collectible... but I'm not naive enough to put value in something of theirs when there is a better option. Their Minor League products will still just be MInor League products. I do think it will be cool if they use the same design as their MLB product.

The old "at least he's here argument." I love that Brain still comes to play, but he always interrupts things with trades and other claims about being sold out of product, etc. etc. I enjoy the confidence, I really do and it makes me think.

After 2007, I didn't buy Topps or UD. I didn't like what they were doing, the products they released, and the general lack of thought for the collectors keeping them in business. Then Brian/Razor/UD were attempting to enter the game and despite a TON of criticism and pessimism from people they garnered enough interest to make a splash with a fairly select group of collectors. I had hopes that Razor would catch on or at least change the way Topps went about brainstorming it's prospect-related products.

Unfortunately, Razor has been quiet in baseball since Letterman and whatever momentum the brand had going into 2009 is all but gone, relegated to a few whispers (arguments, really) on this message board or Best Offers on eBay. And I don't make this judgment based on my personal preference. Your average hobby store doesn't (or didn't ever) carry Razor baseball wax. Yes, Brian, your product sold out. Someone bought, clearly. But now both singles and wax dirt cheap; it isn't any better or worse than the bad line of Bowman/Chrome/Draft. Just look at the secondary market.

If Trey Haley becomes a top 10 pitcher in the Major Leagues, his Razor autographs will sell for whatever amounts demand and scarcity dictates. But besides the exclusives of 2008, what does Razor have to show?

Poker.

 

[Wes]

Well if BDP orange not an option then I lean auto version card

Don't know yet how the public will accept the new Topps product
Will it be hot or will it be like regular Topps base?

Now realizing BDP not an option to the discussion, why compare Razor auto versus lesser options? Kind of a slap in face

It's like comparing an average looking chick versus the average looking chick's
cousin who you didn't see yet but are basing it on genetics

Because BDP is not an option. The exclusives are going to be in pro debut. Thus the comparison.

 

[NYCrulesU]

The people involved with Topps are smart enough not to let their brand be affected by the things one of their execs may say. There is very little to gain and far too much to lose to get involved in discussions / flame wars on message boards (it took the guys over at PSA far too long to learn that lesson).

When the Razor guy shows up to defend his product and make trades the thread is officially declared deceased.

At least he's here. Where's Topps... probably finding a way to put WBC cards into 2010 products even though it's not for another 4 years. lol Hey, I like Topps products, I like anything that is collectible... but I'm not naive enough to put too much value in something of theirs when there is an earlier autographed option. Their Minor League products will still just be MInor League products. I do think it will be cool if they use the same design as their MLB product.

You're exactly right. Post thanked.

 

[kentuckyderby]

I am a big fan of the poker stuff

Have my office/poker room downstairs decorated with many Razor poker cards


AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
OY OY OY

 

[NYCrulesU]

When the Razor guy shows up to defend his product and make trades the thread is officially declared deceased.

At least he's here. Where's Topps... probably finding a way to put WBC cards into 2010 products even though it's not for another 4 years. lol Hey, I like Topps products, I like anything that is collectible... but I'm not naive enough to put value in something of theirs when there is a better option. Their Minor League products will still just be MInor League products. I do think it will be cool if they use the same design as their MLB product.

The old "at least he's here argument." I love that Brain still comes to play, but he always interrupts things with trades and other claims about being sold out of product, etc. etc. I enjoy the confidence, I really do and it makes me think.

After 2007, I didn't buy Topps or UD. I didn't like what they were doing, the products they released, and the general lack of thought for the collectors keeping them in business. Then Brian/Razor/UD were attempting to enter the game and despite a TON of criticism and pessimism from people they garnered enough interest to make a splash with a fairly select group of collectors. I had hopes that Razor would catch on or at least change the way Topps went about brainstorming it's prospect-related products.

Unfortunately, Razor has been quiet in baseball since Letterman and whatever momentum the brand had going into 2009 is all but gone, relegated to a few whispers (arguments, really) on this message board or Best Offers on eBay. And I don't make this judgment based on my personal preference. Your average hobby store doesn't (or didn't ever) carry Razor baseball wax. Yes, Brian, your product sold out. Someone bought, clearly. But now both singles and wax are dirt cheap; it isn't any better or worse than the bad line of Bowman/Chrome/Draft. Just look at the secondary market.

If Trey Haley becomes a top 10 pitcher in the Major Leagues, his Razor autographs will sell for whatever amounts demand and scarcity dictates. But besides the exclusives of 2008, what does Razor have to show?

Poker.

My point all along. Some refuse to admit it though. Post thanked.

 

[Austin]

Ill trade PRO DEBUT gold parallels for Razor metal auto Golds of my exclusive players.
Please PM if you wish to trade. Ill will go on the market and buy the unsigned Topps cards to trade you.

Why, so you can cut up the Razor metal autographs and make new cut cards? Okay, low blow. Sorry.

As for the original topic, I would rather have the Razor autograph because I collect autographs.
I love Topps and don't really like Razor (partly because of the owner's attitude, perceived deviousness and cockiness), but I prefer the earlier autographed card as a collector.

And as for the poll, it won't be accurate.
The Razor haters will vote for Topps, the members with Razor metal stashes will vote for Razor and the rest of us will vote for various reasons.
Razor is too much of a heated topic on this board to produce an accurate poll.

And as another member wrote in this thread, Razor's popularity is largely non-existent outside this board.
Most collectors have never even heard of the brand, and those that have, dismiss it as a poor man's Just or Tri-Star.
That's my experience at card shows and shops in many states, and on other message boards.

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

I like Topps products, I like anything that is collectible... but I'm not naive enough to put too much value in something of theirs when there is an earlier autographed option.

So with this in mind, you never bothered purchasing any of the Bowman/Bowman Chrome/Bowman Sterling product' of player's when there were previous Just Minors, Best, Tri-Star autographs already produced? And for those that did & predicted value in them, you would label those individual's "naive"??? (I would label them quite intelligent because they likely made nice money flipping the Bowman, Sterling, B.Chrome base & parallel's. I agree an auto'd card is likely to be more valuable when set next to an unauto'ed base, but when you start comparing established companies product's versus that of a company whom is not even in the baseball card game; then we are sure to see comparative pricing!)

 

[Sean_C]

Thank you / thanked

I like Topps products, I like anything that is collectible... but I'm not naive enough to put too much value in something of theirs when there is an earlier autographed option.

So with this in mind, you never bothered purchasing any of the Bowman/Bowman Chrome/Bowman Sterling product' of player's when there were previous Just Minors, Best, Tri-Star autographs already produced? And for those that did & predicted value in them, you would label those individual's "naive"??? (I would label them quite intelligent because they likely made nice money flipping the Bowman, Sterling, B.Chrome base & parallel's. I agree an auto'd card is likely to be more valuable when set next to an unauto'ed base, but when you start comparing established companies product's versus that of a company whom is not even in the baseball card game; then we are sure to see comparative pricing!)

 

[kentuckyderby]

Well if BDP orange not an option then I lean auto version card

Don't know yet how the public will accept the new Topps product
Will it be hot or will it be like regular Topps base?

Now realizing BDP not an option to the discussion, why compare Razor auto versus lesser options? Kind of a slap in face

It's like comparing an average looking chick versus the average looking chick's
cousin who you didn't see yet but are basing it on genetics

Because BDP is not an option. The exclusives are going to be in pro debut. Thus the comparison.

But then why a comparison between an auto card versus a non auto?

Why not ask, which would you rather have a Razor base card versus a Topps Debut base card?

The Razor Metal gold is basically one of the best possible cards to get from Razor (maybe behind a 1/1 Letterman and /5 Sig Serious auto) and it gets compared to a non auto card in another product?
It just seems like a rigged poll --- Wouldn't most want a /25 auto card verus a non auto card that isn't a BDP super/orange/red?

 

[rico08]

But then why a comparison between an auto card versus a non auto?

Why not ask, which would you rather have a Razor base card versus a Topps Debut base card?

The Razor Metal gold is basically one of the best possible cards to get from Razor (maybe behind a 1/1 Letterman and /5 Sig Serious auto) and it gets compared to a non auto card in another product?
It just seems like a rigged poll --- Wouldn't most want a /25 auto card verus a non auto card that isn't a BDP super/orange/red?

People want to unload some Metal stuff. No big deal.

EDIT: Or Brian had JP start the poll so he could trade.

 

[Wes]

Well if BDP orange not an option then I lean auto version card

Don't know yet how the public will accept the new Topps product
Will it be hot or will it be like regular Topps base?

Now realizing BDP not an option to the discussion, why compare Razor auto versus lesser options? Kind of a slap in face

It's like comparing an average looking chick versus the average looking chick's
cousin who you didn't see yet but are basing it on genetics

Because BDP is not an option. The exclusives are going to be in pro debut. Thus the comparison.

But then why a comparison between an auto card versus a non auto?

Why not ask, which would you rather have a Razor base card versus a Topps Debut base card?

The Razor Metal gold is basically one of the best possible cards to get from Razor (maybe behind a 1/1 Letterman and /5 Sig Serious auto) and it gets compared to a non auto card in another product?
It just seems like a rigged poll --- Wouldn't most want a /25 auto card verus a non auto card that isn't a BDP super/orange/red?

The results would indicate that there is still some debate about this. I am on board with the /25 auto.

 

[carlitoson]

But then why a comparison between an auto card versus a non auto?
Why not ask, which would you rather have a Razor base card versus a Topps Debut base card?...

Just a guess (please don't crucify me if I'm assuming too much), but the OP has some gold autos and he's trying to gauge the level of interest in them. (?) Otherwise, like others have stated, it's a strange comparison.

I voted for the Topps in the poll simply because I tend to lump all unlicensed cards together (not interested), but truth be told...my hobby money doesn't go toward either of them.

 

[sportscardtheory]

I like Topps products, I like anything that is collectible... but I'm not naive enough to put too much value in something of theirs when there is an earlier autographed option.

So with this in mind, you never bothered purchasing any of the Bowman/Bowman Chrome/Bowman Sterling product' of player's when there were previous Just Minors, Best, Tri-Star autographs already produced? And for those that did & predicted value in them, you would label those individual's "naive"??? (I would label them quite intelligent because they likely made nice money flipping the Bowman, Sterling, B.Chrome base & parallel's. I agree an auto'd card is likely to be more valuable when set next to an unauto'ed base, but when you start comparing established companies product's versus that of a company whom is not even in the baseball card game; then we are sure to see comparative pricing!)

AGAIN, this discussion is about MINOR LEAGUE products.

 

[Jaypers]

EDIT: Or Brian had JP start the poll so he could trade.

100% incorrect.

 

[Razor]

All,

I am done sitting on a message board trying to talk to collectors when there is no moderated way to do so without a couple of people disrupting positive discussions. Topps and the other guys may have been right. Their absence says, "Screw the collector. He is just an ATM for us and we don't need to associate ourselves with those people. We can make what we want and they'll buy it just as the Pied Piper convinced the rats to follow the music."

I have asked Gilmore to cancel the Razor account. I can be reached at [email protected].

I will not be monitoring the boards regularly, however I invite you to email me any thread that needs my attention.

You want another manufacturer who doesn't interact with the customer through message boards?
You succeeded.

Thanks to those that support us.
And, thanks to those (intelligent, constructive) critical people who helped us correct mistakes and learn tons.

I will send all press releases and information to Gilmore so that he can post as appropriate.

Thanks again and I do hope I have the chance to meet a few of my FCB friends in person someday (espcially NYCrules, Jeff N. and a few others).
BG

 

[Razor]

and NO, we will not be returning until a moderated forum exists for sharing information and answering questions in a mature atmosphere. We've considered leaving before but came back as we felt bad not communicating with collectors.

We are having Gilmore delete account so there will be no return until such a forum exists.
BG