2010 "1990" ud stamped anniversary buy backs?

[A_Pharis]

Oh, and there's been no conclusive support of the legitimacy of these cards. I freely hold my right to the opinion that there's something up with these beyond what you're sharing.
You can sell all you want as player collectors are always going to jump on these things, because they're completionists.

I believe the only thing conclusive in this thread is that you're *******. I've yet to see a post that doesn't include a remark about the number of PMs you are getting or just how well selling them is going.

 

[exp619]

Of course that doesn't matter since you'll be gone once you have their money.

Because, I came here and made a thread asking people to buy these right?

Chuck, Chuck, Chuck.....you and you're selective reading. Weren't you the same guy who caused all the swap meet/garage sale confusion but not reading it correctly?

It is, what it is tho.

 

[DaClyde]

And as the naysayers opinions are disregarded and fail to generate sufficient offended reaction by the subject in question, the personal attacks begin. For a second there, I could swear I was on Blowout's forums...

 

[ChasHawk]

Players collectors have a disease and you're capitalizing on it.

Nowhere in there did I say you started the thread, but you've sold some of these cards and made money.

That = capitalizing

Even a small minded individual such as myself can make that deduction.

 

[A_Pharis]

And as the naysayers opinions are disregarded and fail to generate sufficient offended reaction by the subject in question, the personal attacks begin. For a second there, I could swear I was on Blowout's forums...

How are they any more personal than his attitude towards those with valid questions? Come on, man. He's bringing that on himself.

Edit: Just as an example of how he is - his remark about "getting together with a group of his friends to make an event" of reading this thread. Are we supposed to be impressed that his idea of an event is sitting with friends reading a thread over his shoulder? The guy's pompous.

 

[A_Pharis]

I've already addressed the swap meet/garage sale confusion in my first post. Just because someone got your simple brain all twisted doesn't mean you can't go back and re-read and educate yourself on the facts.

Wait.....that might be too hard for you, I got you. Here's the quote.

But, I can assure you that there is no "shenanigans". I have a complete set of these 1990 20th Anniversary Buybacks, that I picked up at a garage sale not the swap meet. When I brought up the swap meet, I meant I see the "regular" 1990 set quite often at the swap meet

Yeah, I live more like 40 minutes from Carlsbad, Upper Decks home base.........whats your point? Just makes more sense that they ended up at a garage in San Diego, instead of Buffalo right?


Come on man, support your claims before you hit Submit next time you're coming off more of an idiot than the last guy.

More.

 

[exp619]

Players collectors have a disease and you're capitalizing on it.

Nowhere in there did I say you started the thread, but you've sold some of these cards and made money.

That = capitalizing

Even a small minded individual such as myself can make that deduction.

I hear ya Chas.

So, what's really the problem here in your opinion? What am I missing?

All smartassness aside.

 

[A_Pharis]

Players collectors have a disease and you're capitalizing on it.

Nowhere in there did I say you started the thread, but you've sold some of these cards and made money.

That = capitalizing

Even a small minded individual such as myself can make that deduction.

I hear ya Chas.

So, what's really the problem here in your opinion? What am I missing?

All smartassness aside.

I think the question most people have is how did a guy at a swap meet end up with multiple sets of unreleased stamped cards without having some knowledge of value?
I can understand how people can have early-mid 90's rare insert gems with $1 stickers on the case just because they've had them for so long without knowing of their value... but for something as recent as 2010?
Even if the seller at the swap meet did buy them himself from UD - then did he just attend some sort of warehouse stock sale without having a LITTLE bit of knowledge about buybacks? We've all seen Storage Wars (that you referenced), and I've yet to see them UNDER value anything (including cards). They are usually grotesquely OVER valued.

You have to see how people have serious questions about it, right?

 

[exp619]

Players collectors have a disease and you're capitalizing on it.

Nowhere in there did I say you started the thread, but you've sold some of these cards and made money.

That = capitalizing

Even a small minded individual such as myself can make that deduction.

I hear ya Chas.

So, what's really the problem here in your opinion? What am I missing?

All smartassness aside.

I think the question most people have is how did a guy at a swap meet end up with multiple sets of unreleased stamped cards without having some knowledge of value?
I can understand how people can have early-mid 90's rare insert gems with $1 stickers on the case just because they've had them for so long without knowing of their value... but for something as recent as 2010?
Even if the seller at the swap meet did buy them himself from UD - then did he just attend some sort of warehouse stock sale without having a LITTLE bit of knowledge about buybacks? We've all seen Storage Wars (that you referenced), and I've yet to see them UNDER value anything (including cards). They are usually grotesquely OVER valued.

You have to see how people have serious questions about it, right?

Ok, I read the first line of this and quickly hit quote.

Again, you stated swap meet, when I've corrected this many times.....it was a garage sale.

See my frustration?

 

[George_Calfas]

Swap meet or garage sale......does it matter?

Lets review some of the material.

Two sets are in hand yet no cards have ever been pulled from packs.

Owner comes to FCB says I have the cards. This is NOT spam yet with Player Collectors it is chumming the waters.

Lets assume these are a true UD product; many cards walk out of the backdoor of many companies; no big deal. It is plausible that UD made a couple of sets and the sets walked out of the back door or sheets from the 1989 production made there way out of the back door. Affixing stickers to the stars from 1990 UD would be huge since none were pack pulled; this is why it does not matter if the set used is 1989 or 1990.

I do understand that the owner is in the process of moving but how many people who collect minor stars and commons have had PM returned?

 

[A_Pharis]

THat's fair. I recalled seeing a swap meet disignation a while back - went back and see you were talking about some banners.


Question still stands, though, and actually even more so. How did some random private owner aquire these as recent as 2010 without having some knowledge of value. At some point these left UD's warehouse and ended up in a garage. Were they GIVEN to him? Did he BUY them? Either way - he aquired a decent stock of unreleased items, yet he had no idea that they would have far more than $5/set value?

 

[A_Pharis]

Swap meet or garage sale......does it matter?

Lets review some of the material.

Two sets are in hand yet no cards have ever been pulled from packs.

Owner comes to FCB says I have the cards. This is NOT spam yet with Player Collectors it is chumming the waters.

Lets assume these are a true UD product; many cards walk out of the backdoor of many companies; no big deal. It is plausible that UD made a couple of sets and the sets walked out of the back door or sheets from the 1989 production made there way out of the back door. Affixing stickers to the stars from 1990 UD would be huge since none were pack pulled; this is why it does not matter if the set used is 1989 or 1990.

I do understand that the owner is in the process of moving but how many people who collect minor stars and commons have had PM returned?

I, too, would like to see a photograph of as much as the set as he can lay out with the holograms showing.

 

[exp619]

THat's fair. I recalled seeing a swap meet disignation a while back - went back and see you were talking about some banners.


Question still stands, though, and actually even more so. How did some random private owner aquire these as recent as 2010 without having some knowledge of value. At some point these left UD's warehouse and ended up in a garage. Were they GIVEN to him? Did he BUY them? Either way - he aquired a decent stock of unreleased items, yet he had no idea that they would have far more than $5/set value?

Understand, these are questions that popped into my head to which is why I made the thread at Beckett asking for information.

I assumed these were regular 1990 sets, it wasn't until I got home and noticed the holo on the cards and started researching.

What people fail to acknowledge, is that I had my skepticism too and still do. I took them to my LCS, I contacted Chris at Cards Infinity, I contacted Brad, and I asked questions on forums.

I didn't post them directly on eBay or try to solicit any sales here on this forum. This is the part that is really annoying. I'm getting called a scammer but I've only sold them to people who contacted me? Makes no sense.

 

[George_Calfas]

I also can't understand why not list these on eBay? Yes I know that FCB member are paying well but an open auction should yield FAR more money. This is what makes me concerns me since eBay is a large open public space.

If I were confident and had zero fear of reprisal I would list list list.

 

[exp619]

I also can't understand why not list these on eBay? Yes I know that FCB member are paying well but an open auction should yield FAR more money. This is what makes me concerns me since eBay is a large open public space.

If I were confident and had zero fear of reprisal I would list list list.

Lack of knowledge of the fees is what kept me away. But, now that I have a better understanding and I do have one card listed at the moment.

 

[A_Pharis]

Yeah, $70 minus fees is greater than $35 gift.

My next question: Were they sealed?

If unsealed, did you not open them to check the condition before buying? I can't think of why anyone would pay for 90s base UD without checking the condition of the stars first to make sure it's worth it (even $5). Surely, picking out any of the cards you would have immediately seen the hologram.
If sealed.. why would they seal a scrapped product?

I will apologize openly and whole-heartedly if you could just post a quick pic of as much of the set that you can manage to lay out with the holograms showing. Notice, this isn't something you HAVE to do as I'm no one of any consequence. I just think it would ease minds.

 

[exp619]

Yeah, $70 minus fees is greater than $35 gift.

My next question: Were they sealed?

If unsealed, did you not open them to check the condition before buying? I can't think of why anyone would pay for 90s base UD without checking the condition of the stars first to make sure it's worth it (even $5). Surely, picking out any of the cards you would have immediately seen the hologram.
If sealed.. why would they seal a scrapped product?

I will apologize openly and whole-heartedly if you could just post a quick pic of as much of the set that you can manage to lay out with the holograms showing. Notice, this isn't something you HAVE to do as I'm no one of any consequence. I just think it would ease minds.

I have no problem posting pics.

Here's the link to my Photobucket, that has some shots already.

http://s1050.photobucket.com/albums/s409/exp619/

Let me know exactly what you want to see and I'll have it done.

 

[clarkfan]

I also can't understand why not list these on eBay? Yes I know that FCB member are paying well but an open auction should yield FAR more money. This is what makes me concerns me since eBay is a large open public space.

If I were confident and had zero fear of reprisal I would list list list.

As much as some of us live and breathe ebay, selling on ebay can be a pain too. I made him a very fair offer for the Clark's, probably on the high end of his sales so far. He accepted it. It's not like the true player collector's aren't finding this topic and attempting to get their player or paying pennies on the dollar compared to ebay. He can sell just fine without using ebay, and I'd say congratulations. Would I have used ebay? Yes, but just b/c he didn't doesn't mean anything. If they were even a bit questionable or started coming back as fraudulent, even selling a few on here, he would get a bunch of negatives from us, been banned as a user, and wouldn't really be able to secretly come back as a new user, since this topic has now reached 15 pages and we've pretty much all seen it. I'd say, give the guy a break and let him sell however he'd like to. We are really the ones making this worse, not him. We bombarded him with PM's demanding him to sell. I said it already once, but if I got duped, I consider myself lucky, fortunate, grateful and very happy, b/c they are very well made. Thanks EXP619 once again for the 2 card cards in my possession and let me know if you want to sell more.

And so what if it's a garage sale, swap meet, dumpster dive, neighbor employee. I call them backdoored somehow anyway, how they got into his hands really doesn't matter (at least to me). Hell, he could be the employee for all I care and I'd still be happy with it.

 

[A_Pharis]

Yeah, $70 minus fees is greater than $35 gift.

My next question: Were they sealed?

If unsealed, did you not open them to check the condition before buying? I can't think of why anyone would pay for 90s base UD without checking the condition of the stars first to make sure it's worth it (even $5). Surely, picking out any of the cards you would have immediately seen the hologram.
If sealed.. why would they seal a scrapped product?

I will apologize openly and whole-heartedly if you could just post a quick pic of as much of the set that you can manage to lay out with the holograms showing. Notice, this isn't something you HAVE to do as I'm no one of any consequence. I just think it would ease minds.

I have no problem posting pics.

Here's the link to my Photobucket, that has some shots already.

http://s1050.photobucket.com/albums/s409/exp619/

Let me know exactly what you want to see and I'll have it done.

Fair, enough. I apologize for calling you out in the thread like I have, but I have my reservations. I'm glad your buyers are happy, but I've just seen too much happen in the hobby that's more than a little shady. It's kind of put me (as well as others, I'm sure) on edge about unreleased items like this. It's totally not your fault, but it would have been great had you been able to get the backstory on how the guy you bought them from came to aquire them.

 

[TNP777]

I do understand that the owner is in the process of moving but how many people who collect minor stars and commons have had PM returned?

It took a little while, but negotiations for the Butler have been completed and payment was just sent. I'l post a scan as soon as it arrives.

Geordie