Adam Dunn might hit 600 HR, would he make the HOF?

[markakis8]

Is it laughable if Sosa doesn't make the hall?

yes it is. He deserves to be in. But the reasons Sosa doesn't make it, if he doesn't, and the reasons many here are stating why Dunn shouldn't make it, are completely different. You know that.

 

[markakis8]

I don't think anyone is saying it isn't a great accomplishment...it truly is, but one of the best players ever....no.

Let's look at one other thing though.

# of players with 600+ HR:
1904-1990: 3
1990-2012: 5

If you look down the list of active players....there's a good chance that number is going to expand even more.

I would say Pujols is really the only safe bet to hit 600 HR....and Dunn is a longshot but he's the only other longshot. Everyone else is on the verge of retirement or not even close. I really don't see anyone else coming close to 600 for a very long time, especially the way the game has changed the past 2-3 years (pitchers dominating more)

 

[nborton]

I've never fully understood the issue with staying around a long time. People throw out the word compiler on guys. You have to stay around a really long time to hit some of these milestones.

Also, there's something to be said for guys even being able to hang on for a long time. There's always younger talent trying to take your spot every season. That's why Vlad isn't playing now. Teams aren't going to just let you hang around without contributing forever.

I'm also for letting DHs get in. It's an official position. Someone has to play it, and some have done it extremely well. It's almost like saying, 1B takes less skill than CF, so I'm not going to put in any 1B. AL Pitchers don't hit, and no one seems to care they only play half the game.

 

[nborton]

I haven't read all the posts so this might have come up. Dunn and Killebrew's numbers are similar.

Dunn .242 BA and .373 OBP .503 SLG
Killebrew .256 BA and .376 OBP .509 SLG

If he keeps up the pace he's been on, and hits 600 like the original post suggested, he'll get in.

 

[HPC]

This discussion is happening approximately 10-14 years too early

 

[George_Calfas]

This discussion is happening approximately 10-14 years too early

But it was Sunday; everyone was bored and bath salts had been played out.

 

[HPC]

But it was Sunday; everyone was bored and bath salts had been played out.

I think it is great conversation and debate, but these "Is this guy a HOFer" threads are getting out of hand with players who are nowhere near the end of their careers.

If Dunn moves himself to DH on an AL team, he could play another 7-10 years easy, then tack on the 5 year wait for entrance, and youre looking at another 12-15 years before his name will even be on the ballot.

 

[markakis8]

I think it is great conversation and debate, but these "Is this guy a HOFer" threads are getting out of hand with players who are nowhere near the end of their careers.

If Dunn moves himself to DH on an AL team, he could play another 7-10 years easy, then tack on the 5 year wait for entrance, and youre looking at another 12-15 years before his name will even be on the ballot.

I actually agree. What kept me posting was the notion that mostly everyone in here said no way if he gets to 600 he'll get in.

Steve Jeltz could've hit 600 HR and he would've made the HOF

 

[RL24]

Is it laughable if Sosa doesn't make the hall?

Is it laughable that Shoeless Joe and Pete Rose didn't make the hall?


Great thread! I don't think it's 14 years too early, we should have a much better idea of where he'll end up in just 5-7 years.


It's interesting to think about, and everybody makes good points. If he does hang around for 600, he sure will have a lot of Ks, and the BA and OBP and stuff really does have nowhere to go but down as he gets older... but he will have that 1 milestone going for him and nothing else.


People who think that Ozzie Smith shouldn't be in the hall of fame really shouldn't be talking about who should/shouldn't be in the hall of fame. You have no clue about the topic we are discussing, and should just let the adults talk in peace. Go sit and the corner and think about how Nolan Ryan shouldn't be in the HOF, he is a career .110 hitter. He wouldn't have had 94 hits if he wasn't such a compiler.

 

[scotty216brs]

I think it is great conversation and debate, but these "Is this guy a HOFer" threads are getting out of hand with players who are nowhere near the end of their careers.

If Dunn moves himself to DH on an AL team, he could play another 7-10 years easy, then tack on the 5 year wait for entrance, and youre looking at another 12-15 years before his name will even be on the ballot.

Really? You think Adam Dunn is going to EASILY still be playing at 40+??? I can't even fathom his #'s at that age. His splits are only going to go down, power and speed declining....yikes. If he can't bat .220 at age 32, what team will want him in several years?

 

[Mudcatsfan]

I think it is great conversation and debate, but these "Is this guy a HOFer" threads are getting out of hand with players who are nowhere near the end of their careers.

If Dunn moves himself to DH on an AL team, he could play another 7-10 years easy, then tack on the 5 year wait for entrance, and youre looking at another 12-15 years before his name will even be on the ballot.

Isnt he currently a DH on an AL team?

 

[thefatguy]

If he moves to DH, they will NEVER vote him in. The voters HATE DH's

Until the Big Hurt is elected

 

[Mudcatsfan]

I looked it up, 66 games at DH, 28 at 1B, 5 in LF this year. I'd say he's a DH.

 

[matfanofold]

By no means do I think Dunn is a HOF lock or anything, but some are getting cought up on statistics that just do not really matter this case. Dunn is an offensive nightmare and when it comes to scoring runs, there are not too many better or more consistant. When it comes to offense, the name of the game is to either cross the plate or drive runs in, period. This year, Dunn is projecting to score about 100 runs and drive in 120+. If any of you think thats a decline in offensife production, you are looking at the wrong stats. Keep in mind that some use statistics like a drunkard uses a lamp pole to lean upon to stand, others use them to actually shed light. At 32 he is showing zero signs of production (producing runs) and infact is on pace to put up some of his most productive, run producing, numbers yet! THere is no reason to think he can not continue to keep on producing for years to come and ANY team would LOVE to have his scoring production in their line up.

 

[Mahoody]

If he moves to DH, they will NEVER vote him in. The voters HATE DH's

Until the Big Hurt is elected

Yeah you're right.. the BBWAA would never vote for someone who spent their last 8 years in baseball as a DH


signed
Paul Molitor

 

[scotty216brs]

I haven't read all the posts so this might have come up. Dunn and Killebrew's numbers are similar.

Dunn .242 BA and .373 OBP .503 SLG
Killebrew .256 BA and .376 OBP .509 SLG

If he keeps up the pace he's been on, and hits 600 like the original post suggested, he'll get in.

Yes, their numbers may look 'similar' now, but what about at the time when Dunn retires? That could be several years from now, and I'm willing to bet they are not as close as they are now.

Again, I don't really like Killer v. Dunn comparisons. Killebrew was easily the best power hitter of his era, led the league in HRs several times, RBIs a few times, etc....MVP and multiple top 5 MVPs. Oh yeah, was 5th all time in HRs when he retired!! So yes, their splits might look similar RIGHT NOW, but they are nowhere near the same players and it's not fair to compare the two.

 

[hive17]

Just thought I'd chime in about the lack of MVPs for Dunn. He played in half of a steroid era and in the same league as Pujols, Ryan Howard, Ryan Braun and Matt Kemp. He shouldn't get a pass for that; but the idea that a man with 600 homeruns doesn't make the HoF is silly.

 

[HPC]

Isnt he currently a DH on an AL team?

Well played, Sir.

 

[markakis8]

Really? You think Adam Dunn is going to EASILY still be playing at 40+??? I can't even fathom his #'s at that age. His splits are only going to go down, power and speed declining....yikes. If he can't bat .220 at age 32, what team will want him in several years?

Well if the White have him now while he has a .220/.370/.510 split with 40+ HR

that means...

the Rays will have him when he's 38 with a .188/.333/.477 split with 20+ HR:lol:

 

[scotty216brs]

By no means do I think Dunn is a HOF lock or anything, but some are getting cought up on statistics that just do not really matter this case. Dunn is an offensive nightmare and when it comes to scoring runs, there are not too many better or more consistant. When it comes to offense, the name of the game is to either cross the plate or drive runs in, period. This year, Dunn is projecting to score about 100 runs and drive in 120+. If any of you think thats a decline in offensife production, you are looking at the wrong stats. Keep in mind that some use statistics like a drunkard uses a lamp pole to lean upon to stand, others use them to actually shed light. At 32 he is showing zero signs of production (producing runs) and infact is on pace to put up some of his most productive, run producing, numbers yet! THere is no reason to think he can not continue to keep on producing for years to come and ANY team would LOVE to have his scoring production in their line up.

Yes, he still has a couple good seasons left in him, but this year he is striking out at a record pace. Look at any HOFer ages 35+ most all players productions start to decline and Dunn will be no different. Let him get to 500 HR before we talk about him getting to 600.