ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RR (please read)

[Tomlinson21RB]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

Card collectors <3 conspiracy theories.

Is it a ****** card to release by putting a sticker on it? Yes.

Would it have been better to either not make the card at all, or skip over the one sticker that looks like he hit a bump while signing on the team bus? Yes.

Did Leaf purposely insert a fake auto? No.

Did Leaf do it's homework before inserting it into the product? Sounds like it passed PSA/DNA and they know the source of these and trust it.

If I pulled it would I be upset? It's obviously not a great hit, but I've done far worse with packs and boxes.

If I didn't pull it would I go on a message board and make claims against a company and personal attacks against a person when I'm not an expert on autographs or card manufacturing? Not my style.

 

[miguelcabrera]

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meh


on a more serious note durant is the only non crybaby i wanna play with my friends bitch in the nba besides dirk. probably the only two players in the league i like anymore

on an even more serious note, i just picked up 2 steak burrito bowls from chipotle

 

[wolters03]

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I am posting a single message on this topic to address posts in another thread on the site.

1> The Kevin Durant card in question is absolutely authentic. I am aware of the source of these signatures (as PSA is).
These were absolutely signed by Kevin Durant during his tenure as an Upper Deck Exclusive. Anyone who states these are not authentic is 100% WRONG. DEAD WRONG.

2> This is intentional and we have full knowledge of what these cards are. These very clearly have a PSA/DNA flip (not PSA grading). These cards are designed to provide collectors with highly collectible signed rookie cards that never were (mainly weak players signed in these sets). We stand by the inclusion of these cards as they are highly collectible in their current state/condition. While every collector may not love these (and everyone is entitled to an opinion), they are absolutely collectible and appear to be $85-125 cards. WE DID NOT LIST THESE ON THE CHECKLIST WITH ROOKIE CARDS, BUT WITH THE SIGNED BUYBACK CARDS.

3> Autographed Rookie Buyback cards are clearly a featured element in this product. The checklist on our website: http://www.leaftradingcards.com/2011_Leaf_Rookie_Retro/2011_Leaf_Rookie_Retro_Checklist.pdf clearly shows possible buyback autographed rookie cards and clearly shows the inclusion of these cards.

Finally, I am extremely disappointed with those members who have posted baseless claims denouncing the authenticity with completely no clue on either his signature nor the origin of these autographs. It is not only irresponsible but is frankly complete libel.

I will be the first to correct any errors or quality control issues. In this case, it is neither. These are highly collectible cards listed on our checklist and 100% authentic beyond question.

I will not reply to posts in this thread as we are no longer engaging in discussions on the message board.
If you have a legitimate question, I will be happy to answer by PM.
If you wish to voice disappointment and you actually purchased the product, feel free to PM and I will certainly hear your feedbaack.
If you are merely posting in hopes of stirring up controversy, I would suggest finding another topic, as there is no controversy here.
BG

Maybe this is why the "other companies" stay off of these boards, because we as the consumers have a right to our opinion. No matter if it be true or false. We don't need a company coming at the consumer, because we have an opinion about their product. I guess there is nothing like digging yourself an early grave.

 

[Topnotchsy]

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Maybe this is why the "other companies" stay off of these boards, because we as the consumers have a right to our opinion. No matter if it be true or false. We don't need a company coming at the consumer, because we have an opinion about their product. I guess there is nothing like digging yourself an early grave.

Opinions are appropriate when things are subjective. We can offers opinions on the design of a card, whether sticker autographs are good or bad for the hobby etc.. Brian has shown he is open to differences of opinion, and has often incorporated those ideas into future releases. Opinions are not appropriate when the facts can be determined, and those baseless opinions threaten to hurt someone's company and reputation. If someone questions the authenticity of an item they should do it privately with Brian, and only if that does not get worked out should it be presented publicly.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

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Ruh roh, FAKES:
The K normally connects into the top of the D like this:

But not on this one. Only reasonable conclusion: FAKE.

Usually there is a D in his auto like this one:

No D in this one. Only reasonable conclusion: FAKE.

 

[notjomommasclint]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

kevin durant is tall.

 

[shepsspot]

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Maybe this is why the "other companies" stay off of these boards, because we as the consumers have a right to our opinion. No matter if it be true or false. We don't need a company coming at the consumer, because we have an opinion about their product. I guess there is nothing like digging yourself an early grave.

Opinions are appropriate when things are subjective. We can offers opinions on the design of a card, whether sticker autographs are good or bad for the hobby etc.. Brian has shown he is open to differences of opinion, and has often incorporated those ideas into future releases. Opinions are not appropriate when the facts can be determined, and those baseless opinions threaten to hurt someone's company and reputation. If someone questions the authenticity of an item they should do it privately with Brian, and only if that does not get worked out should it be presented publicly.

Do you post the same thing when there is about 10-15 post a week about a fake patch card?

 

[Leaf]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

look at:

and

They are clearly both Upper Deck style labels from the Durant era (scans used before are not showing background of sticker adequately)....

We have clearly heard opinions on the use of these sorts of cards from members of FCB.
We will see how the market reacts to posted auctions/sales to see if they are adding value.
Based on the cost we assigned to these (and the cards they replaced), I think anyone pulling this would far prefer it to the equal cost value alternative.

But, we will obviously let the market and our customer's feedback decide..
Thanks to all who shared opinions.
BG

 

[Ty Hope]

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UD stickers on a Fleer card in a Leaf product... My brain hurts.

 

[P_Manning 18]

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Isn't Fleer owned by Upper Deck? Would explain that sticker. Show a real good close up of the Durant Chrome..

 

[Leaf]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

Isn't Fleer owned by Upper Deck? Would explain that sticker. Show a real good close up of the Durant Chrome..

Blow this up to 200% (or better 400%) and you will see the same logo pattern on sticker:
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/PSA-DNA-AUTH...A==/$(KGrHqR,!kwE7!LG+WupBO1sqS3!vQ~~60_3.JPG
BG

 

[WJCIII]

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Most of this entire conversation is comical.

Do you guys seriously not realize how easy it is to acquire a sheet of sticker autos? It may not be easy for guys like us that are simply collectors and get our goods from mainly retail outlets but for somebody like BG that's a manufacturer I don't see it being that difficult. Remember seeing pictures of what came out of the Fleer bankruptcy sale? Sheets and sheets of sticker autos.

Even more funny is questioning the authenticity. Not only does the penmanship including the loops, slant, and style look exactly like Durant's autos, but they are in PSA/DNA holders for crying out loud. You guys must not think much of PSA/DNA's ability to do their job if you're questioning the authenticity.

I also love how the same guys that thanked BG for his willingness to discuss Leaf matters are now telling him what a mistake it is since Topps and Panini don't do it. Do you guys want transparency or not? Pick a side and stick with it.

I won't say one way or the other whether I would want one of these as my pack hit because I don't care anything about Durant but questioning the authenticity of these autos is ridiculous at best.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

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Also, for what it's worth Brian said:

"These cards are designed to provide collectors with highly collectible signed rookie cards that never were..."

The Durant cards I've seen would have all been sticker autos if they were included in the original sets. So maybe stickers are ugly and people don't like them, but they are accurate to the brand.

 

[Topnotchsy]

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Maybe this is why the "other companies" stay off of these boards, because we as the consumers have a right to our opinion. No matter if it be true or false. We don't need a company coming at the consumer, because we have an opinion about their product. I guess there is nothing like digging yourself an early grave.

Opinions are appropriate when things are subjective. We can offers opinions on the design of a card, whether sticker autographs are good or bad for the hobby etc.. Brian has shown he is open to differences of opinion, and has often incorporated those ideas into future releases. Opinions are not appropriate when the facts can be determined, and those baseless opinions threaten to hurt someone's company and reputation. If someone questions the authenticity of an item they should do it privately with Brian, and only if that does not get worked out should it be presented publicly.

Do you post the same thing when there is about 10-15 post a week about a fake patch card?

Not sure what the comparison is. Here we are talking about a case where we have an avenue to determine the facts. By most fake patches that is not an option. (If there was a site with scans of patch cards that one could access to see if a card was legit and people starting posting authentic cards and questioning their legitimacy instead of checking the site, I think such a post would be warranted.)

We are also talking about the reputation of a company, as opposed to a potential issue with a single card. While the scope should not make a difference from an integrity perspective, one does have to pick his battles.

 

[agentjak]

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Opinions are appropriate when things are subjective. We can offers opinions on the design of a card, whether sticker autographs are good or bad for the hobby etc.. Brian has shown he is open to differences of opinion, and has often incorporated those ideas into future releases. Opinions are not appropriate when the facts can be determined, and those baseless opinions threaten to hurt someone's company and reputation. If someone questions the authenticity of an item they should do it privately with Brian, and only if that does not get worked out should it be presented publicly.



...............................As i have no stake what so ever as to the product in question..and also I have read the entire thread to the end, I absolutely find this above statement just as funny and somewhat idiotic as some of the other "opinions" so far..and please dont take my words to mean you are an idiot,..Because you in fact are taking BG's word for the absolute "truth" in this case and giving your opinion on the validity of said cards, you nor me nor anyone else can in fact be certain of anything, period..BG can say what he wants to and you me and everyone else on these boards can take his "word" for all he says, but to say opinons are not appropriate, come on..please think through you choice of words and let others choose theirs as well..And for what its worth, I totally and without fail will take BG's word over anyone else's on these boards..The man has a huge stake in the card market and I dont think he's looking to screw us or his business, just my humble OPINION..

d

 

[bouwob]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

I am posting a single message on this topic to address posts in another thread on the site.

1> The Kevin Durant card in question is absolutely authentic. I am aware of the source of these signatures (as PSA is).
These were absolutely signed by Kevin Durant during his tenure as an Upper Deck Exclusive. Anyone who states these are not authentic is 100% WRONG. DEAD WRONG.

2> This is intentional and we have full knowledge of what these cards are. These very clearly have a PSA/DNA flip (not PSA grading). These cards are designed to provide collectors with highly collectible signed rookie cards that never were (mainly weak players signed in these sets). We stand by the inclusion of these cards as they are highly collectible in their current state/condition. While every collector may not love these (and everyone is entitled to an opinion), they are absolutely collectible and appear to be $85-125 cards. WE DID NOT LIST THESE ON THE CHECKLIST WITH ROOKIE CARDS, BUT WITH THE SIGNED BUYBACK CARDS.

3> Autographed Rookie Buyback cards are clearly a featured element in this product. The checklist on our website: http://www.leaftradingcards.com/2011_Leaf_Rookie_Retro/2011_Leaf_Rookie_Retro_Checklist.pdf clearly shows possible buyback autographed rookie cards and clearly shows the inclusion of these cards.

Finally, I am extremely disappointed with those members who have posted baseless claims denouncing the authenticity with completely no clue on either his signature nor the origin of these autographs. It is not only irresponsible but is frankly complete libel.

I will be the first to correct any errors or quality control issues. In this case, it is neither. These are highly collectible cards listed on our checklist and 100% authentic beyond question.

I will not reply to posts in this thread as we are no longer engaging in discussions on the message board.
If you have a legitimate question, I will be happy to answer by PM.
If you wish to voice disappointment and you actually purchased the product, feel free to PM and I will certainly hear your feedbaack.
If you are merely posting in hopes of stirring up controversy, I would suggest finding another topic, as there is no controversy here.
BG

Maybe this is why the "other companies" stay off of these boards, because we as the consumers have a right to our opinion. No matter if it be true or false. We don't need a company coming at the consumer, because we have an opinion about their product. I guess there is nothing like digging yourself an early grave.

Other companies stay off the board because they are unwilling to take the abuse that BG is willing to take to make his products better and listen to the collectors. Other companies have tried this before and they last about a week. Unfortunately when they come online, everyone gangs up on them. I understand you wanting to speak your peace, but do you really need to dig in?

 

[Topnotchsy]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

Opinions are appropriate when things are subjective. We can offers opinions on the design of a card, whether sticker autographs are good or bad for the hobby etc.. Brian has shown he is open to differences of opinion, and has often incorporated those ideas into future releases. Opinions are not appropriate when the facts can be determined, and those baseless opinions threaten to hurt someone's company and reputation. If someone questions the authenticity of an item they should do it privately with Brian, and only if that does not get worked out should it be presented publicly.



...............................As i have no stake what so ever as to the product in question..and also I have read the entire thread to the end, I absolutely find this above statement just as funny and somewhat idiotic as some of the other "opinions" so far..and please dont take my words to mean you are an idiot,..Because you in fact are taking BG's word for the absolute "truth" in this case and giving your opinion on the validity of said cards, you nor me nor anyone else can in fact be certain of anything, period..BG can say what he wants to and you me and everyone else on these boards can take his "word" for all he says, but to say opinons are not appropriate, come on..please think through you choice of words and let others choose theirs as well..And for what its worth, I totally and without fail will take BG's word over anyone else's on these boards..The man has a huge stake in the card market and I dont think he's looking to screw us or his business, just my humble OPINION..

d

Absolutely no offense taken. I may be quicker to accept Brian's version of the story (based on past experiences, what he has at stake etc.) than speculation on the boards, but I was not just referring to a personal statement from Brian. For starters the cards are in PSA/DNA slabs, which should be worth something, but besides that I imagine that there are people and documentation involved (possibly receipts of purchase etc.) that would make it pretty iron clad and therefore to speculate out loud (and some of the statements are pretty bold if I remember correctly) about the authenticity of these items without doing any research IMO is unreasonable and unfair.

 

[wickedliquids]

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I like RRR. Even though I've never bought a single box - just don't want to gamble with the risk vs reward thing. I mean, heck, it's easier to swallow a $20 blaster than a $250 box.

But overall, I enjoy seeing the product busted on youtube and in the box break sections.

I could careless about the Durant issue. :mrgreen:

 

[Flyer28]

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so you didn't pull a Pujols 01 BC auto or the Harper red 1/1...boo hoo get over it...going into this Im sure you weighed all the risks of pulling a sub par card in this product, especially after knowing how last year turned out. Either a hit or miss, not ever box will grant you profit..go big or go home crying. Everyone buying this product knew it's a hit or miss. Leaf even upped the additional auto to a PURPLE #/10...not to mention them beings an Ichiro auto or a top prospect. IMO this product is great for those risk takers. Of course it'll get lots of flack but will also make a hell lot of people's days. Instead of dumping $800+ on a case..why not pickup some very nice singles? Im sure $800 would knock off something off anyones want list, or add to their investment.

Thank you Brian, once again, for your excellent customer service.

 

[ChasHawk]

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so you didn't pull a Pujols 01 BC auto or the Harper red 1/1...boo hoo get over it...going into this Im sure you weighed all the risks of pulling a sub par card in this product, especially after knowing how last year turned out. Either a hit or miss, not ever box will grant you profit..go big or go home crying. Everyone buying this product knew it's a hit or miss. Leaf even upped the additional auto to a PURPLE #/10...not to mention them beings an Ichiro auto or a top prospect. IMO this product is great for those risk takers. Of course it'll get lots of flack but will also make a hell lot of people's days. Instead of dumping $800+ on a case..why not pickup some very nice singles? Im sure $800 would knock off something off anyones want list, or add to their investment.

Thank you Brian, once again, for your excellent customer service.

It was not about the card pulled smartass, it was about the authenticity of the auto.

Maybe, I don't know, read the thread?