Adenhart killer gets 51 yrs to life.

[sportscardtheory]

As someone who has had his face rearranged by a drunk driver you are not correct in this instance. There is a difference (morally) between someone who is over the limit barely and one that is significantly over the limit. Someone that is slightly over the limit who has misjudged their level of intoxication who kills someone should be treated differently from someone who was significantly drunk who could not make any case to being unsure of their level of intoxication who kills someone.

The second instance is someone that cannot dispute that they didn't know their actions would have a high likelihood of killing someone, this should be considered premeditated murder. Also those who are caught at this limit should be charged with attempted murder as well.

Those who are slightly over the limit have no expectations that their actions would have a high instance of killing someone therefore it should be treated as a level above accidential.

Our state governments really have screwed up horribly where we put people in jail for .08 (and it's only .08 because the federal government withholds gas tax revenue to force states to comply) but at the same time, someone who has an absolute willfull disregard for the safety of others don't get a life sentences or the needle.

I don't profess to know what the limits should be, but we need to make all of our penalties monatary (at the low end) and once we figure out at what point there is a level of drunkiness that becomes truly criminal we need to hit those people as hard as possible, which includes the death penalty.

Disclaimer: I don't drink in general, I've had less than 10 drinks in the 12 years I've been able to drink. My stance on the lower end isn't self serving as I have never driven even after one drink in my life.

I love watching people make excuses for celebrities while leaving regular people to lie under the bus while spitting on them.

again - reading comprehension on your part is poor. We're not making excuses for Stallworth. He at least didn't flee the crime scene (Gallo did which added to the years of his sentence). He pleaded guilty (Gallo pleaded not guilty). He made a serious mistake in driving when he was still over the DUI limit, but his crime was not as bad as Gallo's (who ran a red light and was seriously intoxicated) and his sentence was more lenient because of that. Also, he immediately accepted responsibility, paid for his mistake (financially) and accepted his NFL punishment with no complaints. I bet you that any normal American who can afford a lawyer would have had a similar sentence given the circumstances.

You are comparing less than a year in jail to 51-to-life for the same outcome of a crime. They both made the EXACT same error in judgment and a life and/or lives were lost. Plus you keep leaving out the many other times a celebrity has killed someone while driving drunk and gotten-off with a slap on the wrist. Yeah, there were different circumstances with these cases, but not less than year compared to 51-to-life differences. You have made excuse after excuse for Saint Stallworth and treat this other guy like he's an evil minion for doing the VERY SAME THING, DRINKING WHILE DRINKING AND KILLING SOMEONE. If Stallworth was the one who was killed by a drunk driver in the very same way, you WOULD be here crying that less than a year in prison was absurd and that he should be put-away for much longer. I would bet my collection on it.

The affects of alcohol affect everyone differently. Saying that someone over a certain limit should be charged with attempted murder is truly ignorant seeing that there would have been no victim. I'm sorry that you were hurt and had your life changed by a stupid person, but you seem to be too emotionally involved to have an unbiased opinion on the matter. It's the alcohol that makes people not think clearly. People don't realize they are breaking the law when they are drunk and driving around. That's why the laws are how they are... but change when someone is killed or injured. It's stupid to drive drunk, yes, but attempted murder with no victim? Come on.

 

[morgoth]

As someone who has had his face rearranged by a drunk driver you are not correct in this instance. There is a difference (morally) between someone who is over the limit barely and one that is significantly over the limit. Someone that is slightly over the limit who has misjudged their level of intoxication who kills someone should be treated differently from someone who was significantly drunk who could not make any case to being unsure of their level of intoxication who kills someone.

The second instance is someone that cannot dispute that they didn't know their actions would have a high likelihood of killing someone, this should be considered premeditated murder. Also those who are caught at this limit should be charged with attempted murder as well.

Those who are slightly over the limit have no expectations that their actions would have a high instance of killing someone therefore it should be treated as a level above accidential.

Our state governments really have screwed up horribly where we put people in jail for .08 (and it's only .08 because the federal government withholds gas tax revenue to force states to comply) but at the same time, someone who has an absolute willfull disregard for the safety of others don't get a life sentences or the needle.

I don't profess to know what the limits should be, but we need to make all of our penalties monatary (at the low end) and once we figure out at what point there is a level of drunkiness that becomes truly criminal we need to hit those people as hard as possible, which includes the death penalty.

Disclaimer: I don't drink in general, I've had less than 10 drinks in the 12 years I've been able to drink. My stance on the lower end isn't self serving as I have never driven even after one drink in my life.

I love watching people make excuses for celebrities while leaving regular people to lie under the bus while spitting on them.

again - reading comprehension on your part is poor. We're not making excuses for Stallworth. He at least didn't flee the crime scene (Gallo did which added to the years of his sentence). He pleaded guilty (Gallo pleaded not guilty). He made a serious mistake in driving when he was still over the DUI limit, but his crime was not as bad as Gallo's (who ran a red light and was seriously intoxicated) and his sentence was more lenient because of that. Also, he immediately accepted responsibility, paid for his mistake (financially) and accepted his NFL punishment with no complaints. I bet you that any normal American who can afford a lawyer would have had a similar sentence given the circumstances.

You are comparing less than a year in jail to 51-to-life for the same outcome of a crime. They both made the EXACT same error in judgment and a life and/or lives were lost. Plus you keep leaving out the many other times a celebrity has killed someone while driving drunk and gotten-off with a slap on the wrist. Yeah, there were different circumstances with these cases, but not less than year compared to 51-to-life differences. You have made excuse after excuse for Saint Stallworth and treat this other guy like he's an evil minion for doing the VERY SAME THING, DRINKING WHILE DRINKING AND KILLING SOMEONE. If Stallworth was the one who was killed by a drunk driver in the very same way, you WOULD be here crying that less than a year in prison was absurd and that he should be put-away for much longer. I would bet my collection on it.

The affects of alcohol affect everyone differently. Saying that someone over a certain limit should be charged with attempted murder is truly ignorant seeing that there would have been no victim. I'm sorry that you were hurt and had your life changed by a stupid person, but you seem to be too emotionally involved to have an unbiased opinion on the matter. It's the alcohol that makes people not think clearly. People don't realize they are breaking the law when they are drunk and driving around. That's why the laws are how they are... but change when someone is killed or injured. It's stupid to drive drunk, yes, but attempted murder with no victim? Come on.

Wasn't there a Tom Cruise movie about convicting people before they murder someone? Sounds like you would have to have some ESP to know the outcome

 

[TwinGnats]

If I were emotionally charged I'd be advocating that everyone over .08 should be put in in jail? By your same stance I could aim a rifle at you and fire, if I missed there would be no victim right?

As someone who has had his face rearranged by a drunk driver you are not correct in this instance. There is a difference (morally) between someone who is over the limit barely and one that is significantly over the limit. Someone that is slightly over the limit who has misjudged their level of intoxication who kills someone should be treated differently from someone who was significantly drunk who could not make any case to being unsure of their level of intoxication who kills someone.

The second instance is someone that cannot dispute that they didn't know their actions would have a high likelihood of killing someone, this should be considered premeditated murder. Also those who are caught at this limit should be charged with attempted murder as well.

Those who are slightly over the limit have no expectations that their actions would have a high instance of killing someone therefore it should be treated as a level above accidential.

Our state governments really have screwed up horribly where we put people in jail for .08 (and it's only .08 because the federal government withholds gas tax revenue to force states to comply) but at the same time, someone who has an absolute willfull disregard for the safety of others don't get a life sentences or the needle.

I don't profess to know what the limits should be, but we need to make all of our penalties monatary (at the low end) and once we figure out at what point there is a level of drunkiness that becomes truly criminal we need to hit those people as hard as possible, which includes the death penalty.

Disclaimer: I don't drink in general, I've had less than 10 drinks in the 12 years I've been able to drink. My stance on the lower end isn't self serving as I have never driven even after one drink in my life.

I love watching people make excuses for celebrities while leaving regular people to lie under the bus while spitting on them.

again - reading comprehension on your part is poor. We're not making excuses for Stallworth. He at least didn't flee the crime scene (Gallo did which added to the years of his sentence). He pleaded guilty (Gallo pleaded not guilty). He made a serious mistake in driving when he was still over the DUI limit, but his crime was not as bad as Gallo's (who ran a red light and was seriously intoxicated) and his sentence was more lenient because of that. Also, he immediately accepted responsibility, paid for his mistake (financially) and accepted his NFL punishment with no complaints. I bet you that any normal American who can afford a lawyer would have had a similar sentence given the circumstances.

You are comparing less than a year in jail to 51-to-life for the same outcome of a crime. They both made the EXACT same error in judgment and a life and/or lives were lost. Plus you keep leaving out the many other times a celebrity has killed someone while driving drunk and gotten-off with a slap on the wrist. Yeah, there were different circumstances with these cases, but not less than year compared to 51-to-life differences. You have made excuse after excuse for Saint Stallworth and treat this other guy like he's an evil minion for doing the VERY SAME THING, DRINKING WHILE DRINKING AND KILLING SOMEONE. If Stallworth was the one who was killed by a drunk driver in the very same way, you WOULD be here crying that less than a year in prison was absurd and that he should be put-away for much longer. I would bet my collection on it.

The affects of alcohol affect everyone differently. Saying that someone over a certain limit should be charged with attempted murder is truly ignorant seeing that there would have been no victim. I'm sorry that you were hurt and had your life changed by a stupid person, but you seem to be too emotionally involved to have an unbiased opinion on the matter. It's the alcohol that makes people not think clearly. People don't realize they are breaking the law when they are drunk and driving around. That's why the laws are how they are... but change when someone is killed or injured. It's stupid to drive drunk, yes, but attempted murder with no victim? Come on.

 

[lisu]

I love watching people make excuses for celebrities while leaving regular people to lie under the bus while spitting on them.

I love people who blindly condemn people without understanding the laws and the reasons why it happened that way. If Donte Stallworth did the same thing as Joseph Gallo in the State of California with a suspended license because of a DUI - I would expect him to be charged with 51 years to life.

 

[TomMurry]

I love watching people make excuses for celebrities while leaving regular people to lie under the bus while spitting on them.

I love people who blindly condemn people without understanding the laws and the reasons why it happened that way. If Donte Stallworth did the same thing as Joseph Gallo in the State of California with a suspended license because of a DUI - I would expect him to be charged with 51 years to life.

Save your breath Lisa-
Some people just can't face facts when its laid out there for them. Just because someone thinks something is so, doesnt make it so. Its all ben pretty clearly laid out. If he still doesnt see it and cant figure out the difference, nothing else said will help either.

 

[sportscardtheory]

I love watching people make excuses for celebrities while leaving regular people to lie under the bus while spitting on them.

I love people who blindly condemn people without understanding the laws and the reasons why it happened that way. If Donte Stallworth did the same thing as Joseph Gallo in the State of California with a suspended license because of a DUI - I would expect him to be charged with 51 years to life.

Save your breath Lisa-
Some people just can't face facts when its laid out there for them. Just because someone thinks something is so, doesnt make it so. Its all ben pretty clearly laid out. If he still doesnt see it and cant figure out the difference, nothing else said will help either.

As if things were always that black and white.

 

[Sweetness]

51 years is a bit much.

 

[r2d2]

51 years is a bit much.

3 lives is a bit much

 

[TomMurry]

51 years is a bit much.

How do you figure?
15-life for each count (3)
6 years for Repeat DUI, LSHR

Those all add up when you kill 3 people

 

[sportscardtheory]

Donte Stallworth received 30 days in jail for killing someone while driving drunk.

Thomas Gallo received 51 years to life in prison for killing three people while driving drunk.

Let's then triple Stallworth's sentence (three deaths) and give it to Gallo. Then triple THAT for it not being his first offense. Then let's triple THAT for him fleeing the scene.

That's 810 days in jail. Let's then triple THAT just for shats and giggles. That's 6 1/2 years. Maybe triple THAT? 19 1/2 years.

But no, 51 years to life is completely fair.

::facepalm::

 

[Sweetness]

51 years is a bit much.

How do you figure?
15-life for each count (3)
6 years for Repeat DUI, LSHR

Those all add up when you kill 3 people

How many years did Stallworth serve for killing someone?

 

[Lars]

Thank God Jim Leyritz and Jackie Autry are out there free instead of this scumbag.

 

[Sweetness]

Basically the lesson learned is that a famous victim's life is worth more than an every day joe.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Thank God Jim Leyritz and Jackie Autry are out there free instead of this scumbag.

These are productive members of society. They deserve the right to kill people and get a slap on the hand. Thomas Gallo was who again? Send him away for life, I mean, who cares. This man took away one of the patron saints of humanity, a baseball player.

 

[TwinGnats]

Your stance seems to be, not that Stallworth should have served more time, but that the other guy should serve less. Seems like you're the one that is emotionally charged. Am I totally off base thinking you or someone you know has had a DUI?

Thank God Jim Leyritz and Jackie Autry are out there free instead of this scumbag.

These are productive members of society. They deserve the right to kill people and get a slap on the hand. Thomas Gallo was who again? Send him away for life, I mean, who cares. This man took away one of the patron saints of humanity, a baseball player.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Your stance seems to be, not that Stallworth should have served more time, but that the other guy should serve less. Seems like you're the one that is emotionally charged. Am I totally off base thinking you or someone you know has had a DUI?

Thank God Jim Leyritz and Jackie Autry are out there free instead of this scumbag.

These are productive members of society. They deserve the right to kill people and get a slap on the hand. Thomas Gallo was who again? Send him away for life, I mean, who cares. This man took away one of the patron saints of humanity, a baseball player.

Who doesn't? I know or have met around 15 people that have a DWI or DUI.

 

[TomMurry]

51 years is a bit much.

How do you figure?
15-life for each count (3)
6 years for Repeat DUI, LSHR

Those all add up when you kill 3 people

How many years did Stallworth serve for killing someone?

Its been said already, but since you're late to the party...
Theres LOTS of differences between the 2 situations, but primarily, Gallo was over 3x the legal limit, got into a car drunk and then hit a car killing 3 people. Stallworth was barely over the limit, had woken up and while driving, someone ran ILLEGALLY into the street where Stallworth hit them.

2 completely different sets of circumstances, but I'm sure you dont care about all that since it doesnt uphold your point.

 

[TwinGnats]

Your stance makes so much more sense now.

Your stance seems to be, not that Stallworth should have served more time, but that the other guy should serve less. Seems like you're the one that is emotionally charged. Am I totally off base thinking you or someone you know has had a DUI?

Thank God Jim Leyritz and Jackie Autry are out there free instead of this scumbag.

These are productive members of society. They deserve the right to kill people and get a slap on the hand. Thomas Gallo was who again? Send him away for life, I mean, who cares. This man took away one of the patron saints of humanity, a baseball player.

Who doesn't? I know or have met around 15 people that have a DWI or DUI.

 

[Sweetness]

51 years is a bit much.

How do you figure?
15-life for each count (3)
6 years for Repeat DUI, LSHR

Those all add up when you kill 3 people

How many years did Stallworth serve for killing someone?

Its been said already, but since you're late to the party...
Theres LOTS of differences between the 2 situations, but primarily, Gallo was over 3x the legal limit, got into a car drunk and then hit a car killing 3 people. Stallworth was barely over the limit, had woken up and while driving, someone ran ILLEGALLY into the street where Stallworth hit them.

2 completely different sets of circumstances, but I'm sure you dont care about all that since it doesnt uphold your point.

Defending Donte Stallworth by making it the victim's fault, nice. It's called J-Walking, or crossing the street. Bottom line, Donte was drunk and killed someone.

Donte got a slap on the wrist b/c of his fame and Gallo got the book thrown at him b/c his victim was famous. It's not right that the law is not applied equally across the board. If Donte get's 30 days than Gallo should get 90 days. Gallo got 15 years per victim so Donte should've got 15 years. It's sad how many responses in this thread defend Stallworth but advocate throwing the book at Gallo.

 

[LaBlueFan]

51 years is a bit much.

How do you figure?
15-life for each count (3)
6 years for Repeat DUI, LSHR

Those all add up when you kill 3 people

How many years did Stallworth serve for killing someone?

Its been said already, but since you're late to the party...
Theres LOTS of differences between the 2 situations, but primarily, Gallo was over 3x the legal limit, got into a car drunk and then hit a car killing 3 people. Stallworth was barely over the limit, had woken up and while driving, someone ran ILLEGALLY into the street where Stallworth hit them.

2 completely different sets of circumstances, but I'm sure you dont care about all that since it doesnt uphold your point.

Defending Donte Stallworth by making it the victim's fault, nice. It's called J-Walking, or crossing the street. Bottom line, Donte was drunk and killed someone.

Donte got a slap on the wrist b/c of his fame and Gallo got the book thrown at him b/c his victim was famous. It's not right that the law is not applied equally across the board. If Donte get's 30 days than Gallo should get 90 days. Gallo got 15 years per victim so Donte should've got 15 years. It's sad how many responses in this thread defend Stallworth but advocate throwing the book at Gallo.

Just want to jump in on this. I do know someone who has a D.U.I, in the state of California. My Brother got his for a .09. that is over the Legal Limit in the State. He was not driving impaired at all, and was pulled over for a burned out Brake light, cop smelled alcohol, and administered a F.S.T, and made the judgement that he was impaired. He Blew a .09 in the field, and by the time they got him to the Station, he was below the Limit.
To get to my point, in his hearing, when he got his "Sentence", the Judge informed him that with losing his liscense for a year, and a Year of "AA" Meetings, and an Alcohol Awareness Class, that if he were to ever be in an accident after the date of his sentence, and Alcohol was the cause, and there was "Bodily Injury" OR "Death", that he would be Charged with ATTEMPTED MURDER or SECOND DEGREE FELONY MURDER, because he knows his "Actions" can be Deadly. I heard others being told that it could also go to First Degree "Pre-Medatated" Murder depending on the circumstances.

Don't know how it is in other States, but that is how it is in Orange County California.

Dave