BP Phillies Top 11 Prospects

[HoustonTeams4Me]

[quote="Messier2":3pwpcqr9]1. Carlos Carrasco, RHP
2. Zach Collier, RF
3. Michael Taylor, RF
4. Lou Marson, C
5. Dominic Brown, OF
6. Kyle Drabek, RHP
7. Jason Donald, SS
8. Travis D'Arnaud, C
9. Anthony Hewitt, 3B
10. J.A. Happ, RHP
11. Jason Knapp, RHP

Fixed.

Biased. Collier too high.

How can you honestly tell me any one under him has better tools and projection, the only thing I can think of is moving Marson up b/c of ETA....Taylor is playing a level behind where he should be, Brown is the typical raw toolsy of and everyone knows Drabek's injury problems...I would like to hear why you think anyone besides Carlos is better then Collier..

I'm not going to get into it over why M.Taylor is better than anyone because that boat sailed awhile back on the BMB (& fast forward close to a year later I had milb.com basically saying word for word what I had written about his comparison's). It's funny how each year no one mention's these player's (Collier) until they appear on a Chrome card... What has Collier done besides receive hype that you would think to rank him over Taylor, Marson, D'Arnaud, or even Jason Donald?

one of these days...


You will understand why milb stats are overrated and why the opinion of milb.com is not important.[/quote:3pwpcqr9]

I do understand this Gilmore, I laughed at thier ranking's this year (& at everyother year I've looked at thier ranking's); I also understand that milb stats don't translate into an mlb player. However, I do think a player's production in the minor's hold's more weight in deciding the prospect's progression than the opinion's that are written on a sport's card message board (I would hope you all do).

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

Dang double post :?

 

[dchurg]

[quote="dchurg":2vvv3huh][quote="Messier2":2vvv3huh]1. Carlos Carrasco, RHP
2. Zach Collier, RF
3. Michael Taylor, RF
4. Lou Marson, C
5. Dominic Brown, OF
6. Kyle Drabek, RHP
7. Jason Donald, SS
8. Travis D'Arnaud, C
9. Anthony Hewitt, 3B
10. J.A. Happ, RHP
11. Jason Knapp, RHP

Fixed.

Biased. Collier too high.

How can you honestly tell me any one under him has better tools and projection, the only thing I can think of is moving Marson up b/c of ETA....Taylor is playing a level behind where he should be, Brown is the typical raw toolsy of and everyone knows Drabek's injury problems...I would like to hear why you think anyone besides Carlos is better then Collier..

I'm not going to get into it over why M.Taylor is better than anyone because that boat sailed awhile back on the BMB (& fast forward close to a year later I had milb.com basically saying word for word what I had written about his comparison's). It's funny how each year no one mention's these player's (Collier) until they appear on a Chrome card... What has Collier done besides receive hype that you would think to rank him over Taylor, Marson, D'Arnaud, or even Jason Donald?

He has obviously not done anything except received hype, he hasn't even had 150 AB. Therefore you have to go off high school/GCL scouting reports where he is compared to Garret Anderson. Also saying that Collier was not mentioned before his chrome card is a silly statement...Where would he have been mentioned...list don't get made until around this time so this is when you will start hearing about him, lists or not...Were you expecting people to just start all hail Collier threads for no reason in October?..[/quote:2vvv3huh]

"Were you expecting people to just start all hail Collier threads for no reason in October?"
Well you did say you have to go off of High School & GCL, so if he was so great in highschool & (as you say) obviously hasn't done anything except receive hype; then "Yes" there should have been all hail Collier threads in October unless the primary reason everyone is high on him now is because of his Chrome card's (because that seems to be the only significant difference between Collier now & collier in October).[/quote:2vvv3huh]
the point is you said

no one mention's these player's (Collier) until they appear on a Chrome card...

What I am trying to say is where would Collier have been brought up in any thread besides a phillies top 10 list...he is obviously not a top 100 prospect so his name won't be mentioned in those threads...Give me one reason he would be brought up...

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

[quote="Utleyfan1":15i743rm][quote="dchurg":15i743rm][quote="Messier2":15i743rm]1. Carlos Carrasco, RHP
2. Zach Collier, RF
3. Michael Taylor, RF
4. Lou Marson, C
5. Dominic Brown, OF
6. Kyle Drabek, RHP
7. Jason Donald, SS
8. Travis D'Arnaud, C
9. Anthony Hewitt, 3B
10. J.A. Happ, RHP
11. Jason Knapp, RHP

Fixed.

Biased. Collier too high.

How can you honestly tell me any one under him has better tools and projection, the only thing I can think of is moving Marson up b/c of ETA....Taylor is playing a level behind where he should be, Brown is the typical raw toolsy of and everyone knows Drabek's injury problems...I would like to hear why you think anyone besides Carlos is better then Collier..

I'm not going to get into it over why M.Taylor is better than anyone because that boat sailed awhile back on the BMB (& fast forward close to a year later I had milb.com basically saying word for word what I had written about his comparison's). It's funny how each year no one mention's these player's (Collier) until they appear on a Chrome card... What has Collier done besides receive hype that you would think to rank him over Taylor, Marson, D'Arnaud, or even Jason Donald?

He has obviously not done anything except received hype, he hasn't even had 150 AB. Therefore you have to go off high school/GCL scouting reports where he is compared to Garret Anderson. Also saying that Collier was not mentioned before his chrome card is a silly statement...Where would he have been mentioned...list don't get made until around this time so this is when you will start hearing about him, lists or not...Were you expecting people to just start all hail Collier threads for no reason in October?..[/quote:15i743rm]

"Were you expecting people to just start all hail Collier threads for no reason in October?"
Well you did say you have to go off of High School & GCL, so if he was so great in highschool & (as you say) obviously hasn't done anything except receive hype; then "Yes" there should have been all hail Collier threads in October unless the primary reason everyone is high on him now is because of his Chrome card's (because that seems to be the only significant difference between Collier now & collier in October).[/quote:15i743rm]
the point is you said

no one mention's these player's (Collier) until they appear on a Chrome card...

What I am trying to say is where would Collier have been brought up in any thread besides a phillies top 10 list...he is obviously not a top 100 prospect so his name won't be mentioned in those threads...Give me one reason he would be brought up...[/quote:15i743rm]
If he is as good as "you" think he is (to be the kind of prospect that shoot's up an organizational ranking upon entry) he would have been talked about...Hosmer, Smoak, Alvarez, Matusz, Wallace, heck even Melville will rank decently; but Collier isn't one of those & wasn't talked about in the early going because he is not one of those type's of "rank jumper's". My point is that basically the "Only" reason he is even being discussed right now is "because" of his B.Chrome issue (then prospector's/pack buster's get him in a pack, do a little research, maybe buy more on Ebay, & then over rate him like you have done here), he does not belong at the top of the Phillies organizational ranking order; which is why he wasn't at the top of the order.

 

[abncollectsautos]

i hope kyle drabek has a good comback season

 

[dchurg]

If he is as good as "you" think he is (to be the kind of prospect that shoot's up an organizational ranking upon entry) he would have been talked about...Hosmer, Smoak, Alvarez, Matusz, Wallace, heck even Melville will rank decently; but Collier isn't one of those & wasn't talked about in the early going because he is not one of those type's of "rank jumper's". My point is that basically the "Only" reason he is even being discussed right now is "because" of his B.Chrome issue (then prospector's/pack buster's get him in a pack, do a little research, maybe buy more on Ebay, & then over rate him like you have done here), he does not belong at the top of the Phillies organizational ranking order; which is why he wasn't at the top of the order.

Or maybe the Phillies just have a bad system so a kid with Garret Anderson upside will rank 2/3...Also most of what your saying makes no sense...because some one made a thread talking about Melville he can be a "rank jumper" as you call it...So if I were to have made a thread about Zach right after the draft then my rank would be warranted? Also, I know I personally kept quite about him because he was on the Draft checklist and I did not want every one learning his name...
Also, the bolded statement is completely false..I never pulled him in a pack. He is the only guy I am and ever was "loading up on" from draft...I have read scouting reports from websites I highly respect and that are highly respected through out the "prospectors univerise" giving Collier as a better prospect grade then Hosmer, Posey and Wallace..

 

[Incline Investments]

Anyone got a link that says Collier has "80 Power"? I would love to see that.

 

[andyduke86]

.I have read scouting reports from websites I highly respect and that are highly respected through out the "prospectors univerise" giving Collier as a better prospect grade then Hosmer, Posey and Wallace..

I'd really like to see that.

 

[Ty Hope]

Harman any good?

 

[dchurg]

Anyone got a link that says Collier has "80 Power"? I would love to see that.

No, but I have one that says Hosmer has legit power that is going to go to waste unless he changes his swing which has too many parts, is too long and is basically a home run swing every time....not saying it can't be done...but swing tweeks are never easy...

 

[Incline Investments]

Anyone got a link that says Collier has "80 Power"? I would love to see that.

No, but I have one that says Hosmer has legit power that is going to go to waste unless he changes his swing which has too many parts, is too long and is basically a home run swing every time....not saying it can't be done...but swing tweeks are never easy...

I'm not a big Hosmer guy. I think Moustakas trumps him all day.

I just have never heard of Collier having 80 anything, let alone power.

 

[dchurg]

.I have read scouting reports from websites I highly respect and that are highly respected through out the "prospectors univerise" giving Collier as a better prospect grade then Hosmer, Posey and Wallace..

I'd really like to see that.

not quoiting everything, just getting last sentance and final grade on them...

If Hosmer can make the necessary adjustments (an easier task given his overall athleticism), fill out his frame as expected, and display what most scouting reports say is an excellent approach at the plate, the Royals might just have a star on their hands.

Grade - B

This was a safe pick for the Cardinals, and if things play out like they should, Wallace shouldn't take too long before being ready for big-league pitching.

Grade - B

Since Posey plays at a premium defensive position, the potential to become a top-5 player at the position is there. Given the overall polish to his offensive game, Posey could move quickly.

Grade - B/B+

Collier might want to lower his hands to shorten his swing somewhat, but I like his swing a lot. His above-average-to-plus raw power will display itself as he adds more weight to his projectable frame and makes the minor tweaks to his swing. He provides great tools to work with and if developed properly, Collier could blossom into an above-average regular. Should he be playable in center field, Collier has an outside chance of becoming a top-5 offensive player at his position; however, Collier's arm is below average, and he might outgrow the position.

Grade - A-

 

[dchurg]

[quote="Incline Investments":17n163h5]Anyone got a link that says Collier has "80 Power"? I would love to see that.

No, but I have one that says Hosmer has legit power that is going to go to waste unless he changes his swing which has too many parts, is too long and is basically a home run swing every time....not saying it can't be done...but swing tweeks are never easy...

I'm not a big Hosmer guy. I think Moustakas trumps him all day.

I just have never heard of Collier having 80 anything, let alone power.[/quote:17n163h5]
Collier does not have 80 anything, he is about a 60 across the board with a 45-50 arm...i'll take the 60 (above average MLB) all day...

 

[andyduke86]

Anyone got a link that says Collier has "80 Power"? I would love to see that.

No, but I have one that says Hosmer has legit power that is going to go to waste unless he changes his swing which has too many parts, is too long and is basically a home run swing every time....not saying it can't be done...but swing tweeks are never easy...

I wonder if you have the same feelings regarding Mike Stanton.

Whoever wrote those pieces you quote... well they just lost a bunch of credibility. Maybe they're invested in Collier too!

 

[cgilmo]

Anyone got a link that says Collier has "80 Power"? I would love to see that.

No, but I have one that says Hosmer has legit power that is going to go to waste unless he changes his swing which has too many parts, is too long and is basically a home run swing every time....not saying it can't be done...but swing tweeks are never easy...

I wonder if you have the same feelings regarding Mike Stanton.

Mike Stanton is an incredibly raw hitter right now. He gets by on hand eye and bat speed. He is impressive, but he has a long way to go.

 

[dchurg]

Anyone got a link that says Collier has "80 Power"? I would love to see that.

No, but I have one that says Hosmer has legit power that is going to go to waste unless he changes his swing which has too many parts, is too long and is basically a home run swing every time....not saying it can't be done...but swing tweeks are never easy...

I wonder if you have the same feelings regarding Mike Stanton.

Whoever wrote those pieces you quote... well they just lost a bunch of credibility. Maybe they're invested in Collier too!

Yeah, cuse you have so much credibility...also I forget who, maybe Callis? one of the BA guys called Stanton a 4A player...I have no interest in Stanton though so I don't know enough to give any comment...

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

[quote="Incline Investments":34ary0cd]Anyone got a link that says Collier has "80 Power"? I would love to see that.

No, but I have one that says Hosmer has legit power that is going to go to waste unless he changes his swing which has too many parts, is too long and is basically a home run swing every time....not saying it can't be done...but swing tweeks are never easy...

I'm not a big Hosmer guy. I think Moustakas trumps him all day.

I just have never heard of Collier having 80 anything, let alone power.

Collier does not have 80 anything, he is about a 60 across the board with a 45-50 arm...i'll take the 60 (above average MLB) all day...[/quote:34ary0cd]

Just curious, but can we get a link to your above "quote's"? I'd like to see where they are from & what you left out. (Also, I highly doubt any of the top prospect site's would stick to your comparison (maybe someone can ask BA who's the better prospect's: Wallace, Posey, Hosmer, or Collier...I'm going on a hunch that says Collier comes in 4th in that group).

 

[dchurg]

[quote="Incline Investments":185mzx5c]Anyone got a link that says Collier has "80 Power"? I would love to see that.

No, but I have one that says Hosmer has legit power that is going to go to waste unless he changes his swing which has too many parts, is too long and is basically a home run swing every time....not saying it can't be done...but swing tweeks are never easy...

I'm not a big Hosmer guy. I think Moustakas trumps him all day.

I just have never heard of Collier having 80 anything, let alone power.

Collier does not have 80 anything, he is about a 60 across the board with a 45-50 arm...i'll take the 60 (above average MLB) all day...

Just curious, but can we get a link to your above "quote's"? I'd like to see where they are from & what you left out. (Also, I highly doubt any of the top prospect site's would stick to your comparison (maybe someone can ask BA who's the better prospect's: Wallace, Posey, Hosmer, or Collier...I'm going on a hunch that says Collier comes in 4th in that group).[/quote:185mzx5c]
I honestly see Posey as the best out of the four with Wallace and Collier as the same hitter except Wallace has a little more power potential because of build. However Wallace would get the nod because of position and ETA...Hosmer has the highest ceiling out of all of them and is also the least likely to reach it...if he does, watch out...

 

[Incline Investments]

[quote="Incline Investments":24mrizct]Anyone got a link that says Collier has "80 Power"? I would love to see that.

No, but I have one that says Hosmer has legit power that is going to go to waste unless he changes his swing which has too many parts, is too long and is basically a home run swing every time....not saying it can't be done...but swing tweeks are never easy...

I'm not a big Hosmer guy. I think Moustakas trumps him all day.

I just have never heard of Collier having 80 anything, let alone power.

Collier does not have 80 anything, he is about a 60 across the board with a 45-50 arm...i'll take the 60 (above average MLB) all day...[/quote:24mrizct]

Ok, that is what I have heard. I wasn't questioning his comparison to those other guys (though I think that it is ridiculous to put him ahead of ANY of those guys). I was just trying to find the quote that says he has "80 Power", as someone stated earlier.

To be completely honest, I think Collier's prices are artificially inflated due to some big name prospectors stocking up early.

 

[dchurg]

[quote="Incline Investments":1f79hvy0]

[quote="Incline Investments":1f79hvy0]Anyone got a link that says Collier has "80 Power"? I would love to see that.

No, but I have one that says Hosmer has legit power that is going to go to waste unless he changes his swing which has too many parts, is too long and is basically a home run swing every time....not saying it can't be done...but swing tweeks are never easy...

I'm not a big Hosmer guy. I think Moustakas trumps him all day.

I just have never heard of Collier having 80 anything, let alone power.

Collier does not have 80 anything, he is about a 60 across the board with a 45-50 arm...i'll take the 60 (above average MLB) all day...[/quote:1f79hvy0]

Ok, that is what I have heard. I wasn't questioning his comparison to those other guys (though I think that it is ridiculous to put him ahead of ANY of those guys). I was just trying to find the quote that says he has "80 Power", as someone stated earlier.

To be completely honest, I think Collier's prices are artificially inflated due to some big name prospectors stocking up early.[/quote:1f79hvy0]
I know, last thing of his I bought on Ebay was a week and 1/2 ago or so... :x