Brett Wallace traded for Matt Holliday!

[notoriousrmb]

Few comments here. How many people actually believe pujols is really 29.

Probably the same amount that believe we landed on the moon.

More importantly, does anyone care what Pujols' age is? When you put up numbers like that every season, I can care less if he is actually 50.

 

[Frow]

I'm sure it's been said already, but it will be interesting to see what kind of production he has there. He went from one of the best hitters parks to a fairly bad one and now to St. Louis. He's always hit well there so which Holliday will we get?

 

[lisu]

Great deal for the A's in my opinion. They found their 3rd baseman of the future in Brett Wallace.

 

[rico08]

Well I'm honestly crushed by this trade. I was thrilled to watch Wallace develop to hopefully someday wear the birds on the bat. I have nothing against Holliday, but the amount we gave up for potentially a 2 month rental AND still having to pay $4.5M of his salary is just rediculous.

Good luck Cards, I'm going to enjoy this playoff run but I see nothing but failure in the upcoming years when we keep giving up our prospects.

Forget the third players in the deal, is Wallace/Mortensen that far off from C. Gonzalez/Street?

 

[SINFULONE]

A's kick in 1.5M.

I kinda figured that with the A's getting Morty and Peterson in addition to Wallace, they'd cover it all.

Buster Olney made it sound like that was the only way to make it work on the Cardinals side, so I guess they'll wait til they have money off the books from Glaus, Greene, Kennedy, etc to offer an extension? Or maybe just offer him arbitration? Probably would be about $15M, I think he'd be an idiot to not accept that.

However, you have to remember that Lohse is a Boras client as well, and last year he basically said I'm staying here, get it done. Hopefully Holliday feels the same way.

Cardinals have always done well with this sort of deal. Rolen, Edmonds, Kile, Walker, etc. We never gave up that sort of package that we gave up today, but the players seem to fall in love with the city.

YES we did.....Barton/Haren/etc. for Mulder....that worked well!!!! ::facepalm::

And still won a World Series despite that mistake.I knew it was only a matter of time before someone here referenced that mistake, but it's time to move on and look forward.I, personally, feel anyone who didn't want Mulder then is a liar.Every team makes mistakes sooner or later, Cardinals went decades without losing like that, it was bound to happen eventually.

It's really a no win situation for Mozeliak unless the team wins it all and establishes a track record like Jocketty.If he stands pat like last year everyone ******* about not improving the team, and if he goes out and pulls the trigger on a big deal involving prospects half the city seemingly pisses and moans about the Haren deal 5 years ago.You can turn on KMOX or KTRS and probably get the same response.

 

[SINFULONE]

Per Rotoworld:

It seems like a very high price to pay for Holliday, an impending free agent who is owed around $6 million for the rest of this season. But, hey, Oakland GM Billy Beane has swindled the Cardinals before and is plenty capable of doing it again.

Isn't Beane the same guy that threw McGwire away for nothing?Regardless of what everyone thinks of him now, he filled up a lot of seats for 4-5 years in the STL and brought back countless fans back into the game.

If the Athletics ever get into the playoffs maybe then can actually get out of the ALDS this time.

 

[Wes]

Per Rotoworld:

It seems like a very high price to pay for Holliday, an impending free agent who is owed around $6 million for the rest of this season. But, hey, Oakland GM Billy Beane has swindled the Cardinals before and is plenty capable of doing it again.

Isn't Beane the same guy that threw McGwire away for nothing?Regardless of what everyone thinks of him now, he filled up a lot of seats for 4-5 years in the STL and brought back countless fans back into the game.

If the Athletics ever get into the playoffs maybe then can actually get out of the ALDS this time.

McGwire didn't do any of that in the year he was acquired, the subsequent years wouldn't have taken place in Oakland anyways.

 

[SINFULONE]

Per Rotoworld:

It seems like a very high price to pay for Holliday, an impending free agent who is owed around $6 million for the rest of this season. But, hey, Oakland GM Billy Beane has swindled the Cardinals before and is plenty capable of doing it again.

Isn't Beane the same guy that threw McGwire away for nothing?Regardless of what everyone thinks of him now, he filled up a lot of seats for 4-5 years in the STL and brought back countless fans back into the game.

If the Athletics ever get into the playoffs maybe then can actually get out of the ALDS this time.

McGwire didn't do any of that in the year he was acquired, the subsequent years wouldn't have taken place in Oakland anyways.

I don't have attendance figures in front of me, but I'd be surprised if attendance didn't go up after July of '97.You can agree or disagree, but it's reasonable to conclude many fans fill up Busch Stadium today because of McGwire mania in the late '90s.I have relatives that knew little to nothing about baseball then that go to games now.

I'm guessing Ludwick and Matthews were 2 of the scrubs Beane got for McGwire off the top of my head (no, I didn't look it up)?

 

[SINFULONE]

This link does shed some light on the Holliday move.Does make some sense from this angle.

http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/article ... ent-future

 

[Wes]

Per Rotoworld:

It seems like a very high price to pay for Holliday, an impending free agent who is owed around $6 million for the rest of this season. But, hey, Oakland GM Billy Beane has swindled the Cardinals before and is plenty capable of doing it again.

Isn't Beane the same guy that threw McGwire away for nothing?Regardless of what everyone thinks of him now, he filled up a lot of seats for 4-5 years in the STL and brought back countless fans back into the game.

If the Athletics ever get into the playoffs maybe then can actually get out of the ALDS this time.

McGwire didn't do any of that in the year he was acquired, the subsequent years wouldn't have taken place in Oakland anyways.

I don't have attendance figures in front of me, but I'd be surprised if attendance didn't go up after July of '97.You can agree or disagree, but it's reasonable to conclude many fans fill up Busch Stadium today because of McGwire mania in the late '90s.I have relatives that knew little to nothing about baseball then that go to games now.

I'm guessing Ludwick and Matthews were 2 of the scrubs Beane got for McGwire off the top of my head (no, I didn't look it up)?

I'm not saying it was a great deal but its an overstatement to put all of those achievements on Beane when McGwire would have been gone anyways. If anything you're complementing the move of the Cardinals being able to resign him, rather than acquire him, as his acquisition led to nothing better than a 4th place finish.

 

[goldenegg1]

Any A's fans out there that need a Brett Wallace signed ROMLB pm me

 

[Zan]

The Cardinals are looking pretty stacked. Their lineup tonight is:

Lugo
DeRosa
Pujols
Holliday
Ludwick
Molina
Ankiel
Ryan
Pitcher spot

The addition of Holliday was huge.

zan

 

[thinjim]

I'd say the new trades are paying off. Holliday 3 for 4, lugo has a triple and a home run!! (that would take Duncan the entire year).

 

[Super Mario]

Screw Chris Duncan. He has been up with the big club since 2005, and wore out his welcome a long time ago if you ask me. If it wasn`t for Don Tony`s loyalties to Papa Dunc, Little Dunc would have been a mainstay in some other teams AAA organization a long time ago. He has been worthless to the Cardinals for a few years now, and a move was well overdue. Good riddance, have fun with Shelley as career minor leaguers. See you as an invited Spring Training coach in Jupiter in a couple years. Not that you would do any good in that capacity either.

 

[scotty21690]

So Card fans....how do you like this new Holliday fella?

 

[Super Mario]

I think he better get with the damn program soon and grow a stache!

 

[MacK]

4-5, 2B, RBI, R, SB

He's not super fast, but he just puts his head down and runs. Love him.

Love the deal right now. You gotta win right now, you can't keep building for the future. Pujols is not getting any younger.

 

[SINFULONE]

Per Rotoworld:

It seems like a very high price to pay for Holliday, an impending free agent who is owed around $6 million for the rest of this season. But, hey, Oakland GM Billy Beane has swindled the Cardinals before and is plenty capable of doing it again.

Isn't Beane the same guy that threw McGwire away for nothing?Regardless of what everyone thinks of him now, he filled up a lot of seats for 4-5 years in the STL and brought back countless fans back into the game.

If the Athletics ever get into the playoffs maybe then can actually get out of the ALDS this time.

McGwire didn't do any of that in the year he was acquired, the subsequent years wouldn't have taken place in Oakland anyways.

I don't have attendance figures in front of me, but I'd be surprised if attendance didn't go up after July of '97.You can agree or disagree, but it's reasonable to conclude many fans fill up Busch Stadium today because of McGwire mania in the late '90s.I have relatives that knew little to nothing about baseball then that go to games now.

I'm guessing Ludwick and Matthews were 2 of the scrubs Beane got for McGwire off the top of my head (no, I didn't look it up)?

I'm not saying it was a great deal but its an overstatement to put all of those achievements on Beane when McGwire would have been gone anyways. If anything you're complementing the move of the Cardinals being able to resign him, rather than acquire him, as his acquisition led to nothing better than a 4th place finish.

Surely he could have gotten a better package than Stein, Ludwick, and Matthews?I remember Matthews was a good reliever then, and some thought he may replace Eckersly, but the other guys weren't very highly regarded if I recall.I think they eventually got Matthews back, but he never did anything and I have no idea what the hell happened to Ludwick and Stein.I do remember McGwire was on fire that summer, and was very surprised Jocketty was able to aquire him.

I highly doubt they would have ever signed him that winter without them trading for them first.I'm not just looking at the low finish in '97.I'm looking at the big picture here.The team never spent much money of FA's before McGwire, and then they started landing players like Kile, Edmonds, Renteria, Clark, etc.

 

[Wes]

[quote="thefasterblade":19yrkps5]Per Rotoworld:

It seems like a very high price to pay for Holliday, an impending free agent who is owed around $6 million for the rest of this season. But, hey, Oakland GM Billy Beane has swindled the Cardinals before and is plenty capable of doing it again.

Isn't Beane the same guy that threw McGwire away for nothing?Regardless of what everyone thinks of him now, he filled up a lot of seats for 4-5 years in the STL and brought back countless fans back into the game.

If the Athletics ever get into the playoffs maybe then can actually get out of the ALDS this time.

McGwire didn't do any of that in the year he was acquired, the subsequent years wouldn't have taken place in Oakland anyways.

I don't have attendance figures in front of me, but I'd be surprised if attendance didn't go up after July of '97.You can agree or disagree, but it's reasonable to conclude many fans fill up Busch Stadium today because of McGwire mania in the late '90s.I have relatives that knew little to nothing about baseball then that go to games now.

I'm guessing Ludwick and Matthews were 2 of the scrubs Beane got for McGwire off the top of my head (no, I didn't look it up)?

I'm not saying it was a great deal but its an overstatement to put all of those achievements on Beane when McGwire would have been gone anyways. If anything you're complementing the move of the Cardinals being able to resign him, rather than acquire him, as his acquisition led to nothing better than a 4th place finish.

Surely he could have gotten a better package than Stein, Ludwick, and Matthews?I remember Matthews was a good reliever then, and some thought he may replace Eckersly, but the other guys weren't very highly regarded if I recall.I think they eventually got Matthews back, but he never did anything and I have no idea what the hell happened to Ludwick and Stein.I do remember McGwire was on fire that summer, and was very surprised Jocketty was able to aquire him.

I highly doubt they would have ever signed him that winter without them trading for them first.I'm not just looking at the low finish in '97.I'm looking at the big picture here.The team never spent much money of FA's before McGwire, and then they started landing players like Kile, Edmonds, Renteria, Clark, etc.[/quote:19yrkps5]

Okay just to completely throw this argument against Beane out the window Sandy Alderson was the GM when McGwire was traded. Beane took over the next year.

 

[Bruin7]

And Shane Peterson.

Clayton Mortensen? Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!

He was my favorite prospect. I had a big stash of him too.

I was really for this for Wallace, and anyone else not named Mortensen.

Hopefully this means that they'll sign him to an extension.

Shane Peterson too??!?!?!?! UGH!!!!!

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