Cardinals offer 8/128 million to Holliday

[craiger122003]

Supposedly heres the deal 16 per for 8 years If he turns this down I will be VERY surprised However where does this leave us financially? Info from
mlbtraderumors.com



Cards Offer Most Lucrative Deal In Team History To Holliday
By Zach Links [December 14 at 11:10pm CST]

The Cardinals have offered Matt Holliday a deal which would pay him $16MM per year for at least eight seasons, writes Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. As St. Louis is anxious to reach a resolution, those familiar with the talks believe it possible that Holliday could reach a verdict before Christmas.

This proposal dwarfs the average value of the 7-year, $100MM contract Albert Pujols inked in the winter of 2004. Of course, the average value of Pujols' next contract will likely overshadow the pitch made to Holliday.

Strauss writes that the Yankees may be the most dangerous variable to the Cardinals, despite their insistance that they are not pursuing Holliday. With Jason Bay pointed towards signing with the Mets and the Red Sox inking Mike Cameron, two potential suitors are presumably off the chase.

Do you believe that the Yanks are seriously considering throwing their pinstriped hat into the Holliday ring or are the Cardinals more or less bidding against themselves?

 

[ChasHawk]

Am I missing something? Why is he worth anywhere near that?

His career avg. is 29 HR and 112 RBI. Obviously decent numbers,
but worth $16 million a season until he is 37 yrs old? Doubtful.

 

[craiger122003]

Check his numbers while batting after Pujols absolutely explosive
Are we overpaying a little? Yes no doubt
does it make Albert happy and more willing to resign quicker? YES
With Matt and maybe another addition Pujols will then be happy that the
Cardinals are wanting to win Thus he will sign long term

 

[craiger122003]

Also it probably the original 6/96 offer plus 2 option years

 

[mredsox89]

They appear to be bidding against mostly themselves in this situation. The Sox are out, the Yanks appear to be set on Damon, but could make a run.

I don't see how Holliday can turn this deal down.

 

[darocker80]

For that money and staying in the NL he'll stay as a cardinal, unless t hey Yankees offer like a 7 year 120 mill or 8 year 135 mill or something

 

[craiger122003]

If Boras trys to up this the Cardinals will walk away and with good sense
Its a beyond fair offer and solves 2 problems Leftfield and Albert's happiness
However if he takes the offer I do see Ludwick getting shopped and Allen Craig and Stavinoa playing rightfield

 

[MacK]

If I had to guess, it'd be front-loaded for the next 2, 3 years so whenever we resign Pujols, the hit won't be as great.

Probably an option or two in there as well.

I don't see Stavinoha playing right field, I was thinking of a Jon Jay/Allen Craig platoon. I would agree that Ludwick should be shopped, but he's still under team control for one more year. Only making like $4-$5M, right?

 

[MacK]

Am I missing something? Why is he worth anywhere near that?

His career avg. is 29 HR and 112 RBI. Obviously decent numbers,
but worth $16 million a season until he is 37 yrs old? Doubtful.

Career average is .318 too.

Those numbers get you far. Look at Gil Meche, Gary Matthews Jr., etc. Those guys weren't anywhere near Holliday's talent level, and they still got 10M+ a year for 5 years.

I really think it'll be a 5, 6 year deal with the option. Heavily front-loaded as well.

 

[craiger122003]

Mack Luddy is an arbitration so his salary will most likely be 6 to 7 mill
Also we will still need a 3baseman

 

[sportscardtheory]

He is one of the few players I believe deserves his pay day. He has worked very hard his entire career to get where he is today and was never "handed" anything.

 

[MacK]

Mack Luddy is an arbitration so his salary will most likely be 6 to 7 mill
Also we will still need a 3baseman

Yes we do.

I'm not too comfortable with Freese, but I didn't realize that he absolutely mashed when he was called up in late September.

To be honest, I really don't know what to do there. I don't know if I would trust Craig anywhere but the outfield.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Mack Luddy is an arbitration so his salary will most likely be 6 to 7 mill
Also we will still need a 3baseman

Yes we do.

I'm not too comfortable with Freese, but I didn't realize that he absolutely mashed when he was called up in late September.

To be honest, I really don't know what to do there. I don't know if I would trust Craig anywhere but the outfield.

Garrett Atkins.

 

[Superfractor]

Ooh, Garrett Atkins and Matt Holliday (two fine former Rox)? Go Cardinals!

 

[craiger122003]

I like Atkins Freese would have been ok but the recent DUI calls into question things(Not to say Tony can judge) but still (for the record i had one myself 6 and a half years ago) So I cant judge either

 

[MacK]

I like Atkins Freese would have been ok but the recent DUI calls into question things(Not to say Tony can judge) but still (for the record i had one myself 6 and a half years ago) So I cant judge either

DWI and DUI are two different things. Freese had a DWI, and wasn't even charged. I don't think his BAC was even illegal, I think it was right at the maximum.

As for Atkins, I really wanted him at the deadline. But, again, can you rely on him? Glaus v2.0? The Cardinals haven't done well in the past on deals where they hope for a player to regain his former form, minus Carpenter of course. Most specifically, I'm looking at Mark Mulder, and all the years of asking ourselves, when will Carpenter be back? When will Mulder be back?

 

[craiger122003]

Actually Mack they are the same some states call it dui (driving under influence)
others call it DWI ( Driving while intoxicated) Both mean the same pending blood/breath test
Back to baseball Atkins would do well I think because he would not be too depended on Put him in the 6 hole with Yadi or the new RF in 5 hole

so Like this
Shumack
Rasmus
Pujols
Holliday
Yadi
Atkins
RF??
P
Brendan Ryan

 

[darocker80]

Wow will they have enough to re-sign pujols long term?!

 

[craiger122003]

Yes they will I assume 20 million first 3 years then a decline after
with both guys after 2011 expect 35 to 38 total per year

 

[darocker80]

Yes they will I assume 20 million first 3 years then a decline after
with both guys after 2011 expect 35 to 38 total per year

damn haha