ebay situation......*updated*

[EricInCT]

Hello,

I'm interested in bidding on 2007 Bowman Blue Ref #/150. Just have a few questions...

Would you be able to e mail pictures of the card?

Is the card in mint condition with 4 sharp corners?

How is the centering?

Please write back when you have a chance. Thank you!

Jason
I was in the middle of scanning so there wasn't a pic at the time....Here is the email I received today:


Hi Eric,

I received the Hanson card earlier today and am not satisfied with the condition of the card. The back right corner is not sharp, there is a pin head sized ding along the back top border of the card and there are quite a few scratches on the back of the card.

I made sure to ask if all the corners were sharp and if there were any other defects before I bid. $97 is top price for this card and I was hoping to receive one in better condition. I notice that you have great feedback on ebay, and I have no desire to impact that in any way.

I'd like to return the card to you on Monday and receive a full refund of my payment.

Please respond upon receiving this e mail.

Thank you.

Jason

Should I tell this moron that this card was cracked out of a BGS 9 case and in the future please email the seller and as "I will only buy this card if it grades a 10 or higher" ? :lol:

 

[Card Magnet]

Re: ebay situation......

Were there scratches and a ding when you mailed?

 

[EricInCT]

Re: ebay situation......

Were there scratches and a ding when you mailed?

Read his email, he mentions corners and centering, not surface, it came from a BGS 9.0 slab.
I mean seriously "pin sized ding on the BACK of the card and scratches on the back" (he doesn't mention the front of the card immaculate?)

 

[pujolsthomefan33]

Re: ebay situation......

Did you disclose that the card used to be a BGS 9 in your auction????

I would just accept the card back, refund his money, and relist.....he will win the PAYPAL claim anyways, which will drag everything out and by the time you get the Hanson back the price may have dropped.....


TK

 

[Codasco07]

Re: ebay situation......

Did you disclose in the auction that it was cracked?

 

[EricInCT]

Re: ebay situation......

Did you disclose in the auction that it was cracked?

I think that would confuse some novice buyers so I try not to mention it.......

A week ago I bought a X-fractor Tommy Hanson the seller mention in the title the card was "GEM MINT" and then in the description he mentioned how gorgeous the card was and said it was "PRISTINE". I graded the thing for an experiment......it graded a 9.0. 8.5 for the surface, 2 9.0s and only 1 9.5.

now, THAT is cause for a complaint. This guy who I sold the blue to I believe is asking the world. Am I wrong? Can't a NR-MT to MT card be like a BGS 7?

 

[Card Magnet]

Re: ebay situation......

Were there scratches and a ding when you mailed?

Read his email, he mentions corners and centering, not surface, it came from a BGS 9.0 slab.
I mean seriously "pin sized ding on the BACK of the card and scratches on the back" (he doesn't mention the front of the card immaculate?)

Are you saying that you didn't disclose the damage on the back that was there then? Just because he didn't ask about the back and about dings/scratches, it should have still been disclosed in the auction. I can see his point.

To alot of people NRMT-MT means that it's mint to the eye. They could care less about what it means in the grading community, or they don't know anything about grading qualities.

 

[boomo]

Re: ebay situation......

without a doubt it is time to start the PCS program, POPULATION CONTROL SPECIALIST !!

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Re: ebay situation......

This is this same clown it sounds like who is only looking to buy raw BGS 9.5s and BGS 10s.

If possible, please PM me his name and I'll add him to my blocked bidder list.

No one needs this headache.

 

[EricInCT]

Re: ebay situation......

[quote="Card Magnet":vrcpzw54]Were there scratches and a ding when you mailed?

Read his email, he mentions corners and centering, not surface, it came from a BGS 9.0 slab.
I mean seriously "pin sized ding on the BACK of the card and scratches on the back" (he doesn't mention the front of the card immaculate?)

Are you saying that you didn't disclose the damage on the back that was there then? Just because he didn't ask about the back and about dings/scratches, it should have still been disclosed in the auction. I can see his point.

To alot of people NRMT-MT means that it's mint to the eye. They could care less about what it means in the grading community, or they don't know anything about grading qualities.[/quote:vrcpzw54]


How badly damaged could it have been if it received a 9.0? That isn't misleading.

 

[Card Magnet]

Re: ebay situation......

[quote="Card Magnet":2lg3nl23]Were there scratches and a ding when you mailed?

Read his email, he mentions corners and centering, not surface, it came from a BGS 9.0 slab.
I mean seriously "pin sized ding on the BACK of the card and scratches on the back" (he doesn't mention the front of the card immaculate?)

Are you saying that you didn't disclose the damage on the back that was there then? Just because he didn't ask about the back and about dings/scratches, it should have still been disclosed in the auction. I can see his point.

To alot of people NRMT-MT means that it's mint to the eye. They could care less about what it means in the grading community, or they don't know anything about grading qualities.

How badly damaged could it have been if it received a 9.0? That isn't misleading.[/quote:2lg3nl23]
Perhaps it got damaged in the mail, or the grading guys goofed. There's always a chance that the guy had another copy of the card already damaged and is trying to trade off.

You still didn't say though if it already had the ding and scratches on it when you mailed...

 

[mburgin]

Re: ebay situation......

personally, i don't mention anything about a cards grade when i list it unless it is already graded. i provide good quality clear scans in the auction and will provide scans only upon request. if someone emails me with those type questions, i simply reply back that i am not a prof. card grader and if they want scans i will provide those but that is it. if they decide not to bid, so be it. i really don't care becasue it always leads to thsi type of hassle.

if you buy a raw card, thats what you are getting, a raw card!

IF YOU WANT A GRADED CARD, BUY A GRADED CARD!!!!

 

[allstars]

Re: ebay situation......

I'm curious as to why the card was taken out of the BGS 9 case to begin with?

How did you reply to his intial letter asking if the card was mint?

Also did you tell about the flaws in your description? Or did you say "Mint"?

 

[EricInCT]

Re: ebay situation......

I'm curious as to why the card was taken out of the BGS 9 case to begin with?

How did you reply to his intial letter asking if the card was mint?

Also did you tell about the flaws in your description? Or did you say "Mint"?

It is my experience that a BGS 9.0 does not demand a premium over an ungraded raw card that is from a newer product.

I am sure if everyone on ebay listed every little chip, ding, scratch, etc there would not be anything bought on ebay.

I mean what flaws? The "pin hole size ding" get real. I think his expectations are a bit too high?

 

[EricInCT]

Re: ebay situation......

[quote="Card Magnet":2yc761e3]

[quote="Card Magnet":2yc761e3]Were there scratches and a ding when you mailed?

Read his email, he mentions corners and centering, not surface, it came from a BGS 9.0 slab.
I mean seriously "pin sized ding on the BACK of the card and scratches on the back" (he doesn't mention the front of the card immaculate?)

Are you saying that you didn't disclose the damage on the back that was there then? Just because he didn't ask about the back and about dings/scratches, it should have still been disclosed in the auction. I can see his point.

To alot of people NRMT-MT means that it's mint to the eye. They could care less about what it means in the grading community, or they don't know anything about grading qualities.

How badly damaged could it have been if it received a 9.0? That isn't misleading.[/quote:2yc761e3]
Perhaps it got damaged in the mail, or the grading guys goofed. There's always a chance that the guy had another copy of the card already damaged and is trying to trade off.

You still didn't say though if it already had the ding and scratches on it when you mailed...[/quote:2yc761e3]


It is a blue refractor #/150 so I am safe there that he won't scam it with a different one......

He claims the dings and scratches are on the back of the card.....it received a 9.0 for a surface grade.

 

[Card Magnet]

Re: ebay situation......

[quote="Card Magnet":ibsnfkvq]

[quote="Card Magnet":ibsnfkvq]Were there scratches and a ding when you mailed?

Read his email, he mentions corners and centering, not surface, it came from a BGS 9.0 slab.
I mean seriously "pin sized ding on the BACK of the card and scratches on the back" (he doesn't mention the front of the card immaculate?)

Are you saying that you didn't disclose the damage on the back that was there then? Just because he didn't ask about the back and about dings/scratches, it should have still been disclosed in the auction. I can see his point.

To alot of people NRMT-MT means that it's mint to the eye. They could care less about what it means in the grading community, or they don't know anything about grading qualities.

How badly damaged could it have been if it received a 9.0? That isn't misleading.

Perhaps it got damaged in the mail, or the grading guys goofed. There's always a chance that the guy had another copy of the card already damaged and is trying to trade off.

You still didn't say though if it already had the ding and scratches on it when you mailed...[/quote:ibsnfkvq]


It is a blue refractor #/150 so I am safe there that he won't scam it with a different one......

He claims the dings and scratches are on the back of the card.....it received a 9.0 for a surface grade.[/quote:ibsnfkvq]
For some reason, the serial numbering didn't click when I made that suggestion ::facepalm::

 

[All The Hype]

Re: ebay situation......

If you listed the card as near mint condition, then you are right, because that is a BGS 7. It's pretty ridiculous for a buyer to be upset and expect a refund when they get a card and realize that it likely would not grade 9.5.

 

[allstars]

Re: ebay situation......

I'm curious as to why the card was taken out of the BGS 9 case to begin with?

How did you reply to his intial letter asking if the card was mint?

Also did you tell about the flaws in your description? Or did you say "Mint"?

It is my experience that a BGS 9.0 does not demand a premium over an ungraded raw card that is from a newer product.

I am sure if everyone on ebay listed every little chip, ding, scratch, etc there would not be anything bought on ebay.

I mean what flaws? The "pin hole size ding" get real. I think his expectations are a bit too high?

I was just asking how you replied to his initial email asking if it was mint?

I definately agree that lots of guys want the grade but not the graded expense lol. I was selling a mint 75 set & a guy asked me how many cards had print dots on them. 1975? What print dots? :lol:

 

[allstars]

Re: ebay situation......

[quote="Warren's All Stars":9pzhbjnx]I'm curious as to why the card was taken out of the BGS 9 case to begin with?

How did you reply to his intial letter asking if the card was mint?

Also did you tell about the flaws in your description? Or did you say "Mint"?

It is my experience that a BGS 9.0 does not demand a premium over an ungraded raw card that is from a newer product.

I am sure if everyone on ebay listed every little chip, ding, scratch, etc there would not be anything bought on ebay.

I mean what flaws? The "pin hole size ding" get real. I think his expectations are a bit too high?

I was just asking how you replied to his initial email asking if it was mint?

I definately agree that lots of guys want the grade but not the graded expense lol. I was selling a mint 75 set & a guy asked me how many cards had print dots on them. 1975? What print dots? :lol:[/quote:9pzhbjnx]

If you're the dude from Middletown CT, my suggestion would be to add your cards' condition to your descriptions. I see nothing about condition in your descriptions.

Happy Selling!

 

[EricInCT]

Re: ebay situation......

[quote="Warren's All Stars":1ecazzlj]

[quote="Warren's All Stars":1ecazzlj]I'm curious as to why the card was taken out of the BGS 9 case to begin with?

How did you reply to his intial letter asking if the card was mint?

Also did you tell about the flaws in your description? Or did you say "Mint"?

It is my experience that a BGS 9.0 does not demand a premium over an ungraded raw card that is from a newer product.

I am sure if everyone on ebay listed every little chip, ding, scratch, etc there would not be anything bought on ebay.

I mean what flaws? The "pin hole size ding" get real. I think his expectations are a bit too high?

I was just asking how you replied to his initial email asking if it was mint?

I definately agree that lots of guys want the grade but not the graded expense lol. I was selling a mint 75 set & a guy asked me how many cards had print dots on them. 1975? What print dots? :lol:[/quote:1ecazzlj]

If you're the dude from Middletown CT, my suggestion would be to add your cards' condition to your descriptions. I see nothing about condition in your descriptions.

Happy Selling![/quote:1ecazzlj]


Thank you for your help. I said the card was mint, that would be equal to the 9 on the BGS slab :?

Now if he said, "I want to get this card graded what is the condition and what grade would it receive?" then that opens up a whole different dialogue.....he emailed me originally because there was not a pic. He has a feedback of 58.....if it was a feedback of 3400+ i would have known his intentions.