Griffey Collector's Thread

[brinn1]

Steve, I've corresponded with this guy several times, I'm sure it's been posted in this thread sometime ago when he first started listing these. I think he knows what he's selling isn't legit, I also think he doesn't care.

Bruce

Bruce, you are probably correct about this guy. It just really burns me that someone can have 100% feedback and have many long time collectors let him know they are watching and still he goes on selling. Maybe the threat of Upper Deck Fraud or more writing him will get him off ebay. At least he knows some people are talking about him "who have been around the block" and will do what we can to get him gone
Steve B

 

[LaneyB]

Steve, I've corresponded with this guy several times, I'm sure it's been posted in this thread sometime ago when he first started listing these. I think he knows what he's selling isn't legit, I also think he doesn't care.

Bruce

Bruce, you are probably correct about this guy. It just really burns me that someone can have 100% feedback and have many long time collectors let him know they are watching and still he goes on selling. Maybe the threat of Upper Deck Fraud or more writing him will get him off ebay. At least he knows some people are talking about him "who have been around the block" and will do what we can to get him gone
Steve B

Steve, threats won't bother him. UD won't do anything. Ebay doesn't care. The only people that do care know not to buy it.

 

[brinn1]

Hello Steve,
My E-bay store is a business for me and I keep my personal feelings separate.
Upper Deck customer service phone number is 1-800-551-8220.
The hologram number is BAB49767
The card discription is - 1989 Upper Deck Ken Griffey Jr autograph card / released in 1994

If you call that number and give them the information provided, They will authenticate the card.

Are we going to talk business now?, if not let me know if I can be of any futher service to you.
Happy Holidays Brian
----- Original Message

This is the last email from the JERK of a seller selling his 4th fake auto RC buyback. He states that UD will verify the card but he can't even validate it except by sending scans of worthless pages from Beckett Almanac. I would encourage as many of you as possible to write ebay as I have done. Apparently when they receive a certain number of complaints of fraudulent activity, he will be tossed. He is so smug it is too atrractive not to want him thrown off. I ask all of you to help bring this guy DOWN ::facepalm::

 

[brinn1]

Newest email from the seller of the posted Auction of Griffey RC Auto Buyback 1994

Hello Steve
Pat in Upper Decks customer service department verified this card today 12-28-09.
Try to have an open mind and call the number. I would hope we could at least agree that there are to many cards out there for anybody to claim they know every card made. I would think you would be a little excited. It sounds like you are a passionate Griffey collector, and you have the opportunity to discover one you never even knew existed.
Wishing you a happy New Year - Brian

Either he's telling the truth or he's lying thru his teeth and grinning while he's doing it- And why send me copies of pages from another card
Steve B

 

[jpcz]

Figured I would post it, since I was finally able to pick it up yesterday (had to sign for it and i was away)...certainly a great looking card in hand

 

[brinn1]

Ok This is the LAST and FINAL email from him I will post- Something is very weird here- IS THERE A 1994 RELEASE? any comments welcome the guy is starting to make me rethink the release
Steve B

Hello Steve
http://sports.upperdeck.com/memorabilia ... ookup.aspx
Go to this site - first one listed.
Enter the hologram number
Next page "search did not find the item" .......There will be the Customer Service Number I provided.

I misidentified the card in the price guide, it is a 1994 release. . . . . . but . . .1000 copies ect ?????....

There are at least 20 high end Griffey collecting experts that never even heard about a 1994 release!

I believe one of them amoung others will be a lot more serious once the question of
authenticity is answered.

The Upper Deck authentification site will be added to my Griffey listing this evening.

Like I said, It's a business and I admire your passion. Follow it and discover a new Griffey
or pass up the opportunity. Your passion inspired me to discover a Griffey card that is more
scarce than I originally thought. I do not know the print run, but the 1994 release has slid past a lot of
high end Griffey collectors for about 15 years.

The question for me is - " IF " - you knew that there is a 1989 Ken Griffey Jr autographed card, released and
authenticated by Upper Deck in 1994, would you or anybody else want it?

Best of luck in the comming year - Brian
PS - nice buckett album, I enjoyed it. Cards I have never seen before.

 

[LaneyB]

I think it's crazy that the 1994 89 buyback is so rare that none of us have ever heard of it, yet Brian has managed to sell a few. Nuts if you ask me.

 

[magicpapa]

i dont believe a word of it
he also raised his BIN to 1K from 500

also if it was issued in the 93-94 time frame the auto should look like the griffey/mantle right??

HMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmm pretty odd here, looks like holo # BAB 49711
is pretty close in numbering order of the rare 89 buy back from 1994
http://cgi.ebay.com/KEN-GRIFFEY-JR-1995 ... 3a53d81f29

 

[brinn1]

Bruce & Magic
I think you guys have nailed it. This guy is a slick smooth criminal. He doesn't get flustered and he keeps dishing out the crap for whoever will listen. His hope is Ebay and Upper Deck will not punish him and he'll just keep on "opperating". A TRUE SURGEON
s

 

[magicpapa]

just seems odd seeing theres "1,000" of them and no one has heard of them nor none of us own one...........

 

[Roy Birchler]

Figured I would post it, since I was finally able to pick it up yesterday (had to sign for it and i was away)...certainly a great looking card in hand

It looks great, nice pickup.

 

[brinn1]

OK I KNOW I PROMISED BUT.............This is another email from Brian, the seller from hell

Hello Steve
I am hoping to solicit some advice from you pertaining to the value of the Griffey auto we have been corresponding about.

I have finally found enough time to view your entire Photo Bucket. I know serious cards when I see them and yours are as impressive as they get. So if I had to ask for an opinion reguarding Griffey cards, I'd ask the most qualified person I could.
From what I can see that would be you.

I know we are not in agreement about the card. But "assuming" there is a 1994 release that Upper Deck authenticated what would be a fair asking price. I do not know the print run as Upper Deck has told me the print run was not released. What else would you need to know to determine a fair value for the card?

I increased the BIN to $1000.00 to protect my investment until I get an idea of where it should be.

If you would be so kind as to put your personal feeling aside and help me with this I would appreciate it.
Thanks Brian

This is my reply

Brian,
I appreciate you remaining civil thru all this- I really do.
But I’m sorry, you have every top Griffey collector saying the card does not exist.
These guys spend hours of research over years time looking at every Griffey release and have NEVER seen one of your cards. The fact that you have had four and that not one “expert” has even seen one at all, would infer that you have 4 fakes. You have provided no supporting evidence in terms of price guides etc and there are many more price guides out there other than Beckett. Upper Deck doesn’t know their a_s from a hole in the ground so I don’t believe anything they say even if you did talk with them.

To summarize Brian, a group of Top Griffey Collectors have seen NONE of a card you have sold 3 of and a 4th one is in your collection (according to you).

I assume you have a reasonable amount of intelligence. What are the odds that 20 long time collectors of Griffey have never seen your card but that somehow you have managed to get 4 of them?

Your card is a fake, you know it and I know it and you know where it came from. You will keep doing what you are doing until someone stops you- “someone” will keep trying.

I would put the value of your card at $40 minus the damage done to it by writing on it -so in fact, the amount you should ask on ebay is ZERO.
S

 

[jpcz]

^^^^^lmao :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Jack Straw]

Pretty stoked to add one tough card to the collection. I thought I overpaid a little
but was just enough. Now if I could only get the Gold Mirror and Gold Foil.

 

[brinn1]

HI AGAIN
DOES ANYONE HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THIS EMAIL SENT TO ME AFTER THE LAST ONE POSTED? IS THE GUY CRAZY? IS HE JUST PLAYING A GAME?
OR DOES ANYONE HERE HAVE ANOTHER ANSWER?

Steve
I respected your right to be heard. When you made a good argument,I tried to respond
in a timely factual manner. I kept the communication open because I realized pretty quickly
that I may need your expertise. That is why I asked for your help - still asking for it.

I disagree about nobody ever seeing one before. In fact I'd bet you and your associates have seen
this very same one.

I bought this card on e-bay not very long ago the page views were over 300 hits. I can produce the
transaction number if need be.

Did you and all the experts miss it? Not likely!

I don't mean to discredit you or your collecting associates but,I have to trust the manufactures authentification,
otherwise cards would have no true value. Why don't you trust Upper Deck?

Your Collecting experiance and specific knowledge of Griffey is pretty meaningless if you don't share it. I can easily
tolerate your personal comments and attacks on my character if it means your looking for an answer.

Upper Deck released this card during 1994 in some form or fashion. It didn't just appear.
Now, I am asking you to assist me in solving this mystery. I'll do all the leg work , just share with me any ideas
you may have about where it could possibly come from. I have others working with me.

Right now I am investigating the Upper Deck Authentification store. A long time card shop owner stated that
in the early 90's Upper Deck gave distributors points for purchasing so much product. Those point could be
redeemed for items in there Authentics Stores, and many of those items were not available to the public.
Any thoughts?

What is it gonna take to get you on board?
- Brian

 

[brinn1]

MY REPLY

Brian,
This email was just posted on the forum with the rest of them.
We’ll see if any one of the others is captivated enough to “get on board”.

I’m sure as you say, they have seen your card on ebay. Its just that they dismissed it as a fake as it should be and you apparently did not.

You ask for advise and I have told you several times you are possessing and selling fake cards.

You say the card came from somewhere- that’s for sure, just not Upper Deck. There have been a rash of fake Griffey auto RC buybacks on ebay and many of the newer ones have COA’s with numbers taken from other cards.

The question should be WHY CAN’T YOU ADMIT YOU HAVE A FAKE CARD (one of 4 you just happened to find)?

No one wants to “get on board” with a thief. All evidence has been presented objectively as given, but sending me scans of some Mantle card as proof of your “card’s existence” really didn’t deserve much respect on my end- now did it?

S

 

[clarkfan]

HI AGAIN
DOES ANYONE HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THIS EMAIL SENT TO ME AFTER THE LAST ONE POSTED? IS THE GUY CRAZY? IS HE JUST PLAYING A GAME?
OR DOES ANYONE HERE HAVE ANOTHER ANSWER?

Steve
I respected your right to be heard. When you made a good argument,I tried to respond
in a timely factual manner. I kept the communication open because I realized pretty quickly
that I may need your expertise. That is why I asked for your help - still asking for it.

I disagree about nobody ever seeing one before. In fact I'd bet you and your associates have seen
this very same one.

I bought this card on e-bay not very long ago the page views were over 300 hits. I can produce the
transaction number if need be.

Did you and all the experts miss it? Not likely!

I don't mean to discredit you or your collecting associates but,I have to trust the manufactures authentification,
otherwise cards would have no true value. Why don't you trust Upper Deck?

Your Collecting experiance and specific knowledge of Griffey is pretty meaningless if you don't share it. I can easily
tolerate your personal comments and attacks on my character if it means your looking for an answer.

Upper Deck released this card during 1994 in some form or fashion. It didn't just appear.
Now, I am asking you to assist me in solving this mystery. I'll do all the leg work , just share with me any ideas
you may have about where it could possibly come from. I have others working with me.

Right now I am investigating the Upper Deck Authentification store. A long time card shop owner stated that
in the early 90's Upper Deck gave distributors points for purchasing so much product. Those point could be
redeemed for items in there Authentics Stores, and many of those items were not available to the public.
Any thoughts?

What is it gonna take to get you on board?
- Brian

Have him call the UD company he speaks so highly about and get it authenticiated directly by them. Or personally call that 1-800 number and see what Joe, Pat, or whoever, says about the card. If they say, it matches up to an authentication number they have on record, then its real. If they can't find anything to help authenticate it or determine whether its legit or not, its fake. I wouldn't think it would take too much time on the phone with them to see if its real or not. Not that I believe 100% that it is real, but I had heard of other buy back Griffey RC autos that were issued through UDA that weren't the new ones released within the past 2 years. Not pack pulled or pack released, but from the UDA store quite a few years ago, maybe that's the case. Just like a ton of Mantle, Ted Williams, Larry Bird, Bobby Orr, they had tons of stuff you could buy directly from UDA or a licensed UDA dealer. I'd call UD if I wanted real confirmation though.

 

[KLARNOLD]

HI AGAIN
DOES ANYONE HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THIS EMAIL SENT TO ME AFTER THE LAST ONE POSTED? IS THE GUY CRAZY? IS HE JUST PLAYING A GAME?
OR DOES ANYONE HERE HAVE ANOTHER ANSWER?

Steve
I respected your right to be heard. When you made a good argument,I tried to respond
in a timely factual manner. I kept the communication open because I realized pretty quickly
that I may need your expertise. That is why I asked for your help - still asking for it.

I disagree about nobody ever seeing one before. In fact I'd bet you and your associates have seen
this very same one.

I bought this card on e-bay not very long ago the page views were over 300 hits. I can produce the
transaction number if need be.

Did you and all the experts miss it? Not likely!

I don't mean to discredit you or your collecting associates but,I have to trust the manufactures authentification,
otherwise cards would have no true value. Why don't you trust Upper Deck?

Your Collecting experiance and specific knowledge of Griffey is pretty meaningless if you don't share it. I can easily
tolerate your personal comments and attacks on my character if it means your looking for an answer.

Upper Deck released this card during 1994 in some form or fashion. It didn't just appear.
Now, I am asking you to assist me in solving this mystery. I'll do all the leg work , just share with me any ideas
you may have about where it could possibly come from. I have others working with me.

Right now I am investigating the Upper Deck Authentification store. A long time card shop owner stated that
in the early 90's Upper Deck gave distributors points for purchasing so much product. Those point could be
redeemed for items in there Authentics Stores, and many of those items were not available to the public.
Any thoughts?

What is it gonna take to get you on board?
- Brian

Have him call the UD company he speaks so highly about and get it authenticiated directly by them. Or personally call that 1-800 number and see what Joe, Pat, or whoever, says about the card. If they say, it matches up to an authentication number they have on record, then its real. If they can't find anything to help authenticate it or determine whether its legit or not, its fake. I wouldn't think it would take too much time on the phone with them to see if its real or not. Not that I believe 100% that it is real, but I had heard of other buy back Griffey RC autos that were issued through UDA that weren't the new ones released within the past 2 years. Not pack pulled or pack released, but from the UDA store quite a few years ago, maybe that's the case. Just like a ton of Mantle, Ted Williams, Larry Bird, Bobby Orr, they had tons of stuff you could buy directly from UDA or a licensed UDA dealer. I'd call UD if I wanted real confirmation though.

I use to get the UDA catalogs back in 1993 & 1994. I bought the Mickey Mantle bobble head doll and the 1993 UD Triple Crown Contenders Frank Thomas jumbo card during that time. I can remember seeing the 1994 SP "Gold Ink Signature" cards and 1994 SP auto cards listed in the catalog but I don't recall the 1989 UD auto cards. It could be possible that it was listed as an UD 5th year anniversary auto but I doubt it. If anyone kept those catalogs it would be interesting to see if they might have been listed.

 

[magicpapa]

odd his story changed now on the auction, before it was inserted in 1994 series 1 packs , even flarick dont think its real

 

[flarick]

It looked good to me, but I decided to do a PSA quick opinion. Their reply was "Likely Not Genuine"

Here is the auction, [ebay:hsdd9njd]390135261772[/ebay:hsdd9njd]. The seller has been selling Griffey autos for years and I always thought they were good. Now I don't know. Guess that I will skip it. Don't want a possible fake.

Hi Roy,

I know the guy who got those 600 HR tickets signed by Jr. He got 4 of them signed. He sold one to the guy who is flipping the one that was up. I bought one directly from him and PSA quick-certed mine.

Hope that helps but you are still at the whims of the PSA eagle eyes.

Happy New Year!!!