Here is a buyer you will definitely want to block...

[Seiya]

I don't get it, buyer could get one cheaper on COMC, but wanted the seller's smudged one for 3 dollars more?

 

[MansGame]

I am the buyer. First off, I want to be clear there was no extortion. What was I trying to extort? I already paid for the item. Its not like I told him before I purchased it, that if he didnt give me a better price Id leave neg fb. Second, I made a mistake and admitted I was wrong. I had no idea how Cashner pitched. I needed the card to complete a set. I offered $5 at first (which I thought was fair since its selling for less than that on COMC and seller's card looks off-centered w/ smudged auto). He countered with $8.50, I then offered $7 and he countered with $8.79. I was on phone at time with someone and was like, WTF, this guy raised his counter? Im negotiating in good faith and he raises his counter??? We both thought the seller was being a ****** and f'ing with me. To raise his counter 29 cents seemed like a big FU to me. I WAS WRONG. I admitted that to him and everyone else.

I wanted the card, but wasnt happy with transaction and tried to contact buyer to let him know of my displeasure. I wasnt trying to get anything out of it, other than to let him know I thought he was playing games and wasnt cool. If it was a big FU, then I thought neutral fb was appropriate.

I'm not trying to play any cards here, but I have a learning disability and have a very difficult time expressing my thoughts into written words. (In school I was allowed to take oral exams over writing essays). I did not word my email as best I could, but the point I intended was to notify seller before leaving neg/neutral fb to find out why he raised his counter. When he said it was bc Cashner pitched well, I felt like an idiot bc he wasnt trying to mess with me, but had a legitimate reason. I was upset at his reaction and thought he was threatening/bullying me, but was glad I contacted him first bc I wouldve felt worse if I left neutral fb based on an incorrect assumption. I take fb seriously and would not leave neutral or neg w/o contacting seller first.

We all make mistakes and Im sure others have assumed something only to be wrong. I admit I was wrong. That is not backing down, that is realizing a mistake. I have since received several threatening messages thru ebay from members, which I dont think is right. If people dont want to transact with me, that is fine, I really dont care about being blocked. All I will say is that I can admit when Im wrong and I will always contact people to work it out directly with them before I leave feedback or have other people harass them. Between buying and selling I have made about 1,000 transactions on ebay. You can check my feedback left for others and see that in 750 items I have NEVER left negative feedback for anyone and only left neutral feedback once. There is nothing else I can do at this point but realize my mistake, learn from it and move on.

Seller owns card... he can sell it for whatever he wants... he can counter with whatever he wants... he can take down his auction if he wants... he can not sell you the card if he wants...

Am I missing something here? Maybe he thought your lowball offer was an FU to him (ever think of that?)... then you show him you actually ARE willing to pay more, so now he might think YOU are playing games (ever think of this?)...

If you were unhappy, do like the rest of us and keep moving and get your card elsewhere... if not, then deal with it... If I thought every eBay transaction where I paid "more than what I think was fair" for an Albert Belle card, I'd be leaving a lot of feedback other than positive BUT I understand if I want a card, I have the option to deal with the seller or keep moving and find it else where.

Congrats on joining the board but I can't side with you on this one...

 

[jcmint]

first off welcome to the boards. Its never easy defending yourself. You were wrong and have admitted it which again is not easy. Just move on from it and remember the cards are the sellers they can ask whatever they want for their cards it should never be taken personal.

I am the buyer. First off, I want to be clear there was no extortion. What was I trying to extort? I already paid for the item. Its not like I told him before I purchased it, that if he didnt give me a better price Id leave neg fb. Second, I made a mistake and admitted I was wrong. I had no idea how Cashner pitched. I needed the card to complete a set. I offered $5 at first (which I thought was fair since its selling for less than that on COMC and seller's card looks off-centered w/ smudged auto). He countered with $8.50, I then offered $7 and he countered with $8.79. I was on phone at time with someone and was like, WTF, this guy raised his counter? Im negotiating in good faith and he raises his counter??? We both thought the seller was being a ****** and f'ing with me. To raise his counter 29 cents seemed like a big FU to me. I WAS WRONG. I admitted that to him and everyone else.

I wanted the card, but wasnt happy with transaction and tried to contact buyer to let him know of my displeasure. I wasnt trying to get anything out of it, other than to let him know I thought he was playing games and wasnt cool. If it was a big FU, then I thought neutral fb was appropriate.

I'm not trying to play any cards here, but I have a learning disability and have a very difficult time expressing my thoughts into written words. (In school I was allowed to take oral exams over writing essays). I did not word my email as best I could, but the point I intended was to notify seller before leaving neg/neutral fb to find out why he raised his counter. When he said it was bc Cashner pitched well, I felt like an idiot bc he wasnt trying to mess with me, but had a legitimate reason. I was upset at his reaction and thought he was threatening/bullying me, but was glad I contacted him first bc I wouldve felt worse if I left neutral fb based on an incorrect assumption. I take fb seriously and would not leave neutral or neg w/o contacting seller first.

We all make mistakes and Im sure others have assumed something only to be wrong. I admit I was wrong. That is not backing down, that is realizing a mistake. I have since received several threatening messages thru ebay from members, which I dont think is right. If people dont want to transact with me, that is fine, I really dont care about being blocked. All I will say is that I can admit when Im wrong and I will always contact people to work it out directly with them before I leave feedback or have other people harass them. Between buying and selling I have made about 1,000 transactions on ebay. You can check my feedback left for others and see that in 750 items I have NEVER left negative feedback for anyone and only left neutral feedback once. There is nothing else I can do at this point but realize my mistake, learn from it and move on.

 

[bigalbert]

I think this is what happens everytime someone posts one of those ebay situations. People are taking sides on something they only hear one side of. It's just better not to post about it imo.

 

[jbhofmann]

Maybe I'm in the minority but I'm over the "block this ******" thread. I mean regardless of who is right or wrong, I just witnessed several members block this guy before even hearing the other side of the story.

 

[hive17]

To the new member/buyer: in the world of eBay, and neg/neutral is a gun. You mentioned it. Don't pull a gun unless you're going to use it. It comes off threatening, regardless of intent.

 

[hofmichael]

Some people on this board live to disagree with the other members when there is a clear consensus that someone is wrong...

#2:

By the way, the purpose of alerting you ahead of time was to give you a chance to respond before I went right to leaving neutral or negative feedback. I honestly had no idea that Cashner pitched well and that was the reason you raised your counteroffer. If you told me that, I would've understood that and would have left positive feedback.

I am just curious as to what you think about the buyer clearly lying about his "purpose" of contacting the buyer. You'd have to be pretty gullible to believe he messaged the seller as a common courtesy that he was going to leave a negative. It was backdoor extortion. If I was the seller, I would have written the guy a message at least 10 times nastier than the OP wrote back at him.

There are sides to every story and almost every time a post is made about an EBay member the other story is left out.Most instances the OP of a block this bidder thread is just as wrong.It may not be in this case but there was doubt until he posted his reply.

I see no extortion from the buyer.He was displeased with how the transaction went and stated his intentions.At no time did he ask for anything.

 

[hive17]

There are sides to every story and almost every time a post is made about an EBay member the other story is left out.Most instances the OP of a block this bidder thread is just as wrong.It may not be in this case but there was doubt until he posted his reply.

I see no extortion from the buyer.He was displeased with how the transaction went and stated his intentions.At no time did he ask for anything.

I can't see defending that mentality, when the only "displeasure" was with the price, regardless of how it was communicated. If you don't like it, don't buy it. You don't get to ding a seller's reputation and business because you didn't get a card for the price you wanted. "Letting other potential buyers know" is crap as well, since the worst that could happen to another buyer is that he/she would find out that the seller plays hardball with his prices BEFORE you make the purchase.

 

[MansGame]

There are sides to every story and almost every time a post is made about an EBay member the other story is left out.Most instances the OP of a block this bidder thread is just as wrong.It may not be in this case but there was doubt until he posted his reply.

I see no extortion from the buyer.He was displeased with how the transaction went and stated his intentions.At no time did he ask for anything.

So it's fair to say you agree that you can leave negative or neutral feedback if you purchase a card for more than you wanted to pay on eBay?

 

[jbhofmann]

So it's fair to say you agree that you can leave negative or neutral feedback if you purchase a card for more than you wanted to pay on eBay?

I thought the buyer was not pleased with the sellers "games" of increasing his asking price, not the agreed upon price.

 

[jcmint]

agreed he was gonna leave neutral feedback because the sellered countered him. Come on we all know ebay has gone the way of best offers. why play if your gonna get sore.

I can't see defending that mentality, when the only "displeasure" was with the price, regardless of how it was communicated. If you don't like it, don't buy it. You don't get to ding a seller's reputation and business because you didn't get a card for the price you wanted. "Letting other potential buyers know" is crap as well, since the worst that could happen to another buyer is that he/she would find out that the seller plays hardball with his prices BEFORE you make the purchase.

 

[hive17]

I thought the buyer was not pleased with the sellers "games" of increasing his asking price, not the agreed upon price.

So you define "games" as negotiating under eBay's system? Remember, these 2 offers were a decent amount of time between each other.

 

[MansGame]

I thought the buyer was not pleased with the sellers "games" of increasing his asking price, not the agreed upon price.

My understanding is the "asking price" never changed. What changed was the potential buyer increased his "offer" (from $5 to $7) on the sellers card and the seller increased his "counter offer" (from $8.50 to $8.79) to the potential buyer. I might be missing something here but that's my understanding.

I guess now that I boil it down to simple terms like this, is the potential buyer trying to say the only options for the seller in this situation is to accept, counter lower or decline? Simply countering with a higher dollar amount on your own card is not allowed?

If my understanding is right, the seller is threatening to leave neutral/negative feedback because he feels the seller "played games" with him regarding the price of his own card he is selling.

 

[MansGame]

So you define "games" as negotiating under eBay's system? Remember, these 2 offers were a decent amount of time between each other.

THIS

 

[joker8334]

Seller owns card... he can sell it for whatever he wants... he can counter with whatever he wants... he can take down his auction if he wants... he can not sell you the card if he wants...

Am I missing something here? Maybe he thought your lowball offer was an FU to him (ever think of that?)... then you show him you actually ARE willing to pay more, so now he might think YOU are playing games (ever think of this?)...

If you were unhappy, do like the rest of us and keep moving and get your card elsewhere... if not, then deal with it... If I thought every eBay transaction where I paid "more than what I think was fair" for an Albert Belle card, I'd be leaving a lot of feedback other than positive BUT I understand if I want a card, I have the option to deal with the seller or keep moving and find it else where.

Congrats on joining the board but I can't side with you on this one...

Im not asking for anyone to side with me. I was not defending my actions, I was explaining them. There is a difference and Im sorry if I wasnt clear about that. Im not sure what else to say. People make mistakes and I owned up to mine. I never had intent of damaging seller's rep. I assumed that a neutral was just that...neutral. It was not the price that bothered me, but I mis-interpreted raising his counter-offer to be an FU. I know some of you dont understand why I would think that, but Im not the only one who did. I couldnt understand why he would raise his counter and 29 cents to boot. It seemed like an FU. Price itself was not my issue. So, I had planned to leave neutral fb (neither good, nor bad), but before doing so I contacted him to let him know my intentions. I do not think that a neutral is raising a gun to someone's head, but obviously Im in the minority. Again, these are explanations, not justifications. I attempted to work it out directly with seller rather than in a forum or blog post but he did not want to discuss the issue any further with me, which is his prerogative.

The only reason I learned of the post was from the ebay messages I received. The ones that say "Hey I heard an interesting story about how you conduct business on ebay and I wanted this card but wont buy it from you, etc etc." are a minor annoyance. I dont care about those and dont care if people block me. I actually find those pretty pathetic and funny. Like, you were really gonna BIN on that card, then saw I was the seller and decided not to? Please, you were just looking for reason to message me. Its the ones that are threatening me and my family that are getting ridiculous. Trust me, Im aware that you can track down my address and if you ever showed up here, you'd find me and my Mossberg waiting. Im not gonna give you the satisfaction of repeating it here, but grow up. You act like I killed seller's first-born. I did not leave a negative. Seller cancelled transaction and I tried to move on. That does not deserve some of the nasty things that have been said. My wife and I share the ebay account and she should not be exposed to that vile language. Part of the reason Im not active on these forums is I find a lot of you have nothing better to do than gang up on people and there's plenty of people who live in glass houses that are throwing stones. (I said "a lot", not "all" or "most" of you. Im sure there's plenty of good people on these boards...but there are a lot of people that live for inane drama like this).

I dont think I owe any more explanations to anyone. If I dont respond to any future posts here, that is why. I was wrong and Im sorry. You guys wanna keep dissecting it and ripping me apart here, go ahead. But stop the vulgar emails/ebay messages.


Oh, and the reason I didnt purchase card from COMC initially is that they charge $4 for s/h and usually take longer to ship. I was trying to get it a little cheaper and faster.

 

[hofmichael]

I can't see defending that mentality, when the only "displeasure" was with the price, regardless of how it was communicated. If you don't like it, don't buy it. You don't get to ding a seller's reputation and business because you didn't get a card for the price you wanted. "Letting other potential buyers know" is crap as well, since the worst that could happen to another buyer is that he/she would find out that the seller plays hardball with his prices BEFORE you make the purchase.

So it's fair to say you agree that you can leave negative or neutral feedback if you purchase a card for more than you wanted to pay on eBay?

I don't at all agree with his choice of feedback but his messages were hardly extortion.That is all I am saying.This board tends to grab the torches a little to quick at times.

 

[markakis8]

Its the ones that are threatening me and my family that are getting ridiculous. Trust me, Im aware that you can track down my address and if you ever showed up here, you'd find me and my Mossberg waiting. Im not gonna give you the satisfaction of repeating it here, but grow up. You act like I killed seller's first-born. I did not leave a negative. Seller cancelled transaction and I tried to move on. That does not deserve some of the nasty things that have been said. My wife and I share the ebay account and she should not be exposed to that vile language. Part of the reason Im not active on these forums is I find a lot of you have nothing better to do than gang up on people and there's plenty of people who live in glass houses that are throwing stones. (I said "a lot", not "all" or "most" of you. Im sure there's plenty of good people on these boards...but there are a lot of people that live for inane drama like this).

I dont think I owe any more explanations to anyone. If I dont respond to any future posts here, that is why. I was wrong and Im sorry. You guys wanna keep dissecting it and ripping me apart here, go ahead. But stop the vulgar emails/ebay messages.


Oh, and the reason I didnt purchase card from COMC initially is that they charge $4 for s/h and usually take longer to ship. I was trying to get it a little cheaper and faster.

As I said in my PM to you on this board, that was never my intent for that to happen. If they actually went that far to say such vile things such as that, I wish you would out their ebay names as well so we all know who we are dealing with. There is no excuse for such childish acts and I would not want to be dealing with those people either.

You seem reasonable enough in your explanation but your views are definitely misguided. A neutral feedback on ebay is almost just as bad as a negative and the fact that you threw out the word "negative" before I even shipped the card led me to take the action that I did. However, I still stand by my warning to others of you, especially those who making a living off of our stores, simply because of your skewed line of thinking towards appropriate ebay feedback. Your neutral or negative feedback towards my account can affect my business in more ways than one.

If you thought I was pulling an FU over on you with my 29 cent increase, instead of hitting accept and paying for the card, trying contact the seller next time and see what the deal is.

 

[MansGame]

As I said in my PM to you on this board, that was never my intent for that to happen. If they actually went that far to say such vile things such as that, I wish you would out their ebay names as well so we all know who we are dealing with. There is no excuse for such childish acts and I would not want to be dealing with those people either.

Agreed. I'm actually somewhat shocked people are threatening his family?! Not cool...

 

[BunchOBull]

As I said in my PM to you on this board, that was never my intent for that to happen. If they actually went that far to say such vile things such as that, I wish you would out their ebay names as well so we all know who we are dealing with. There is no excuse for such childish acts and I would not want to be dealing with those people either.

Yes, please share.

 

[joker8334]

Sorry I didnt get any PMs. Not sure how to access?

Also to clarify, it wasnt a direct threat to my family. Im sorry. Dont mean to create more drama. It was said that Id better think twice before leaving neutral/neg fb and that if I f'd with their business and how they make a living they could easily find out where I live and come beat the XXXX out of me. There was another similar and more than a few that were just vulgar. I take someone threatening to come to my house as a threat to myself and my family. But no one directly said they would do anything to my wife or kids or anything like that. Nonetheless I think thats ridiculous and it was upsetting for my wife to read. Esp since one of those members appear to live somewhat close

I have since spoken to ebay and they are monitoring my account. If it goes any further Im contacting the police. Again...the ones that say "im blocking you" "you're an *******" whatever, I dont care about and didnt report anything like that. Its when you threaten me or my family directly or indirectly that you're crossing the line. Especially over something like and especially when you werent even involved. I know those people must be reading this so Im warning you to stop it now.