How Do I Trust PSA/DNA After All Of This?

[js0000001]

 

[Therion]

Do you have a scan of the bat?

kj, I get your point, but how can one entertain using a company that is clearly not a good choice just because there isn't an obvious alternative?

 

[predatorkj]

Do you have a scan of the bat?

kj, I get your point, but how can one entertain using a company that is clearly not a good choice just because there isn't an obvious alternative?

I don't know that one can but I am simply saying...I would trust them far more than my own eyes on autos I am not familiar with.I am not sure how their business practices go and I am not sure what all they really do behind closed doors but I do have faith in them.

 

[Therion]

kj, they once hired (possibly still works there, too lazy to look it up) a known forger to authenticate when they hired Herman Darvick.

If you can send a George Romero to them and get it certified as a person that doesn't exist, why are you better off than if you handed it to a five year old that really likes zombie movies?

Or perhaps a better example, if the USPS took my mail and stomped on it about 15% of the time that I went into the PO I wouldn't use them. Even if they were the only simple option.

 

[js0000001]

Do you have a scan of the bat?

kj, I get your point, but how can one entertain using a company that is clearly not a good choice just because there isn't an obvious alternative?

Do you mean my ball?

 

[predatorkj]

Perhaps I am being a little more personal with my opinion because it really applies to why I would use them.I do see your point but I still admit...if your mail only got stomped on about 15% of the time and they were pretty much the only option...you still have an 85% chance of it not happening.Some chance is better than slim to none.

As for the known forger being hired...I had no idea.Not sure what to think of that.Man...this hobby is getting harder and harder every day.I feel like I am looking at my bills now which brings me great stress..
First the razor roustabout, then the game used fiasco and now forged items through PSA.Oy...!

 

[Therion]

Do you have a scan of the bat?

kj, I get your point, but how can one entertain using a company that is clearly not a good choice just because there isn't an obvious alternative?

Do you mean my ball?

Uh yeah It dropped 40 degrees today and the cold is affecting my head.

 

[Therion]

Perhaps I am being a little more personal with my opinion because it really applies to why I would use them.I do see your point but I still admit...if your mail only got stomped on about 15% of the time and they were pretty much the only option...you still have an 85% chance of it not happening.Some chance is better than slim to none.

As for the known forger being hired...I had no idea.Not sure what to think of that.Man...this hobby is getting harder and harder every day.I feel like I am looking at my bills now which brings me great stress..
First the razor roustabout, then the game used fiasco and now forged items through PSA.Oy...!

I know dude. I look through my Astros and just wonder if any of them are fakes. I only started looking at PSA because I was wanting to get them authenticated for my own peace of mind. If they get the big names wrong, are they even going to try on the small names?

 

[autocut]

Autograph Alert News

PSA/DNA has authenticated the following just off of their first page:

Martin Van Buren secretarial signature
Cy Young spelled Cy Yooung
Mary Pickford stamp
Bo Jackson preprinted on a book (Yes, they authenticated a pre-print as authentic)
Andrew Johnson stamp
Teddy Roosevelt secretarial signature
Danny Thomas authenticated as Danny Kaye
Dwight Eisenhower secretarial signature
George Romero authenticated as G.A. Laurell (someone that likely doesn't even exist)
Lamar Hunt authenticated as Leon Hart
Franklin Roosevelt secretarial signature
Cyril Chadwick authenticated as April Chadwick (another fictional person)
Willie Mays authenticated as Hank Aaron (seriously)

Don't forget the Mark McGwire rubber stamp or the Albert Pujols facsimile. I think anyone who collect autographs need to do their own homework, even if it is pack pulled. I've always loved this infamous card. Funny how the guy's name is Roy Rogers Jr. and not RoDgers. I'm sure he would know how to spell his own name.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Roy-Rodgers-Autogra ... 7C294%3A50

This is what his autograph looks like:

 

[Big Mac McGwire]

i have seen so many FAKE mcgwire autographed cards authenticated by PSA/DNA as well as James Spence. Spence has authenticated some of the most bogus looking mcgwire cards that i could have forged better while on 9 shots of JD and on 2 strips of LSD. PSA/DNA is scary. Besides McGwire auto's , since i have been collecting them for 19 years, i am weary on buying any auto authenticated by PSA/DNA. Great post Therion

This post of Therion proves 2 things i have always thought

1. A company will pass anything for $ $ $$
2. How many of the UD legendary cut sigs out there are fake???? UD uses Spence for those autos so thats a scary thought

 

[Therion]

i have seen so many FAKE mcgwire autographed cards authenticated by PSA/DNA as well as James Spence. Spence has authenticated some of the most bogus looking mcgwire cards that i could have forged better while on 9 shots of JD and on 2 strips of LSD. PSA/DNA is scary. Besides McGwire auto's , since i have been collecting them for 19 years, i am weary on buying any auto authenticated by PSA/DNA. Great post Therion

This post of Therion proves 2 things i have always thought

1. A company will pass anything for $ $ $$
2. How many of the UD legendary cut sigs out there are fake???? UD uses Spence for those autos so thats a scary thought

That's kind of what I was wondering too. We've all seen the chump mistakes that have happened with some of the cuts (like the Ray Dandridge card that contains his wife's signature) but if UD is using a company that seems clearly negligent in their job how do we trust even pack pulled autographs?

 

[tide12champrings]

Is there anybody on here that can tell a fake Mantle Auto from the real thing?

 

[Topnotchsy]

While there may be a real problem, it's important not to try to pile "fake" issues on top of real ones. Some of the cases mentioned are simply mistakes by the person typing up the COA. To put Jackie Robinson instead of Brooks Robinson on the COA does not mean they actually could not tell one signature from the other, that is ridiculous. Should such mistakes happen? No they shouldn't, but if that's the issue it's a small one.

The problem on authenticating auto's that aren't authentic is a much bigger issue.

 

[Mark McGwire Museum]

Big Mac McGwire and I have talked about this many times before. Spence is the worst imo, some of his passed McGwires were horrible to say the least. Here's PSA's latest gem:

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=697012

 

[Mark McGwire Museum]

Don't forget the Mark McGwire rubber stamp or the Albert Pujols facsimile. I think anyone who collect autographs need to do their own homework, even if it is pack pulled. I've always loved this infamous card. Funny how the guy's name is Roy Rogers Jr. and not RoDgers. I'm sure he would know how to spell his own name.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Roy-Rodgers-Autogra ... 7C294%3A50

This is what his autograph looks like:

I wouldn't feel out of place, and I might be in the minority, but I STRONGLY feel the Rogers is real. My guess is he saw his name misspelled on the card and added the "d" to humor himself when signing.

 

[nyc3]

Is there anybody on here that can tell a fake Mantle Auto from the real thing?

If the "professionals" cant I doubt anyone can. Its extremely hard since his auto is super easy. Maybe I should open a authentication service :lol:

 

[sportscardtheory]

One of the worst stories was the person who sent in 18 or so autographs that they obtained in person, and PSA sent back 16 of them at $25 a piece that were supposedly not authentic.

 

[stlalways94]

Don't forget the Mark McGwire rubber stamp or the Albert Pujols facsimile. I think anyone who collect autographs need to do their own homework, even if it is pack pulled. I've always loved this infamous card. Funny how the guy's name is Roy Rogers Jr. and not RoDgers. I'm sure he would know how to spell his own name.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Roy-Rodgers-Autogra ... 7C294%3A50

This is what his autograph looks like:

I wouldn't feel out of place, and I might be in the minority, but I STRONGLY feel the Rogers is real. My guess is he saw his name misspelled on the card and added the "d" to humor himself when signing.

+1

Aside from the "d" the signature looks the same. But really, who knows?? :? :?:

 

[nyc3]

One of the worst stories was the person who sent in 18 or so autographs that they obtained in person, and PSA sent back 16 of them at $25 a piece that were supposedly not authentic.

Better yet the scam the have set up with quick opinion. I often wonder who looks at that they had ebay remove an auction of mine a year ago that HAD a psa coa. I guess the sticker on the autograph in the photo was not enough for them. Then I get the email from ebay saying the only way I can relist this item on ebay is if I have it authenticated by PSA JSA *** or several others. Yet there are people printing their own coa's at home and faking patches and I have to have my auction removed cause some intern deemed an IP auto I received at spring training fake, yet they authenticated it.

 

[Big Mac McGwire]

it all comes down to this. If you submit a card to PSA/DNA that you obtained in person and you know it is real then, in the event they deem it not real then all your out is a potential sale if you plan on selling it or a nice case to protect that says its real. If you plan on purchasing an auto that is slabbed PSA/DNA then unless you have collected that player or have seen dozens upon dozens of that players autograph like myself with mcgwire , and you can spot a fake with no problem, then you are at risk. If you have ever seen the HBO special that was on "Rea Sports" they showed a guy who did a FLAWLESS mantle, which was absolutely spot on scary. It is crazy how man forgeries are out there, it is a cliche in our hobby to say that, but you would be surprised on how many autographs that look real are really fake.