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Brett Keith said:
They were 4th in SBs last year and you are saying they don't have speed? Damon, Jeter, Gardner, Arod all have above average speed...its not as good as some teams...but dont say it is bad
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They were 4th in SBs last year and you are saying they don't have speed? Damon, Jeter, Gardner, Arod all have above average speed...its not as good as some teams...but dont say it is bad
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fans of other teams are trying to find any comparision to knock the Yankees....I can't wait for 09
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KevinNYYLundqvistFan said:
I think the comparison was to the hype going into the season that the Tigers were getting. Everyone was picking them after the couple trades they made, and they didn't even make the playoffs.
I agree with your post for the most part (I'd do a toss up between Thames and Damon at this point), but I 150% disagree with the statement that the yankees have 3 aces on their team. I see one, and then some considerable distance to the next guy.
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Damon and Thames a toss up?
Thames/Damon
AB: 315/555
R: 50/95
H: 76/168
HR: 25/17
RBI: 56/71
TB: 163/256
BB: 24/64
SO: 95/82
SB: 0/29
OBP: .292/.375
SLG: .516/.461
AVG: .241/.303
You are telling me Thames=Damon? You really lose arguments with idiotic comparisions.
Thames/Damon
AB: 315/555
R: 50/95
H: 76/168
HR: 25/17
RBI: 56/71
TB: 163/256
BB: 24/64
SO: 95/82
SB: 0/29
OBP: .292/.375
SLG: .516/.461
AVG: .241/.303
You are telling me Thames=Damon? You really lose arguments with idiotic comparisions.
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jdacunha said:
They were 4th in SB, but 12th in 3B. 22 of those SB and 4 of those triples belonged to Abreu, so take those away. Teixeira had 2 SB and 0 3B last year, know who exceeded those totals last season with 2 SB and 1 3B? Jason Giambi. I don't know if Jeter has above average speed anymore, the guy had 11 SB in 16 attempts and 3 triples, and he's a contact hitter who you'd think would put balls in the gaps. Will Gardner actually get significant playing time? If he does, will his speed come at the cost of production with the bat? Also, for every player who has solid average to above average speed, there's atleast one player who's below average.
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jdacunha said:
I didn't realize the batting average difference, but the production isn't that far off when you look at the difference in at bats. Also you can lose arguments when you call pitchers with 4+ ERA's aces.
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I never called Burnett or **** aces...CC is an ace. **** and Burnett are VERY VERY good #2 starters. The Yankees has a rotation that is as good as any team.
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nyc3 said:
Fine. All yankees fans are right. The team will win 100+ games and have the cy and mvp on the same team. No one will get injured, and the red sox and rays will fall to tied for last place.
What i said was an opinion that I've come to from checking box scores, playing fantasy, and catching post game highlights. I don't watch every game of every team that isn't my team. I'll admit I can only think of one that was on the team last year, but I was also thinking Burnett. Whatever, you keep wearing your rose colored glasses and I'll keep thinking they aren't going to be as successful as everyone thinks. There is only one way to find out who is right, and that is to let the games be played.
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jdacunha said:
Wasn't referring to anything you said.
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everyone seems to point out the lack of defense and speed when they talk about the Yanks. They didn't lose because of that. The key part they have been missing the last few years is starting pitching. Now don't respond and tell me about those garbage players like Pavano, Wright, Brown, Vazquez. Now they have a legit quality pitching staff.
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Fine. All yankees fans are right. The team will win 100+ games and have the cy and mvp on the same team. No one will get injured, and the red sox and rays will fall to tied for last place.
What i said was an opinion that I've come to from checking box scores, playing fantasy, and catching post game highlights. I don't watch every game of every team that isn't my team. I'll admit I can only think of one that was on the team last year, but I was also thinking Burnett. Whatever, you keep wearing your rose colored glasses and I'll keep thinking they aren't going to be as successful as everyone thinks. There is only one way to find out who is right, and that is to let the games be played.[/quote:21coaz73]
Did I say all that? I dont think I did at all, as a matter of fact this is the case of another hater telling me what I think. I actually don't think anything yet cause the season has not started and has its been said injuries kill teams, but why assume that. It much easier to be passive aggressive and say I am wearing rose colored glasses.
But then again I forgot where I was posting I should expect these responses by now. You guys really need to take 2 deep breaths before opening yankee topics, you guys fire off some silly stuff then go into attack mode usually claiming its the yankee fans doing it.
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KevinNYYLundqvistFan said:
So you don't think good defense and better speed would have helped them get to the playoffs? You don't think it had an impact on the pitching problems? Defense and speed(range) help pitchers. Pitching was a problem, but it wasn't the only problem, so don't act like "fixing" that makes this team a juggernaut. Especially since the rotation is still filled with ?'s.
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Defense got better by adding Teixeira, Cano (should get better), Jeter is bad as people make him out to be, Arod is as good as any 3B defensively...Nady is much better than Abreu in RF, Gardner has very good range...Damon is a weakness and posada behind the plate
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they will be very good, but it always comes down the the effectiveness of the starting pitching
will CC be the CC he was with the brewers or the CC he was at the first half of the year with the Indians?
Will Burnett stay healthy?
Will **** be as effective?
Can Hughes win a game?
All of these questions will determine how successful the Yankees will be.
Also will the Cano/Gardner/Melky combo be like a black hole without any productivity
Thats why we wait for the season to see
will CC be the CC he was with the brewers or the CC he was at the first half of the year with the Indians?
Will Burnett stay healthy?
Will **** be as effective?
Can Hughes win a game?
All of these questions will determine how successful the Yankees will be.
Also will the Cano/Gardner/Melky combo be like a black hole without any productivity
Thats why we wait for the season to see
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jdacunha said:
I have to say the corner infield is pretty set defensively. There is nothing you can do about Jeter, but if Cano can improve then the infield will be pretty damn good.
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Oh...of course good defense and speed helps, but when your throwing out guys like Pavano, Ponson, Rasner, Giese, Kennedy, Igawa..etc..you can't ecpect to go anywhere. With all the injuries they had...they were even forced to start Bruney in a game.nyc3 said:
Bringing in CC and Burnett were huge steps to making this rotation on top of the league. Then you add on **** who was considered an "ace" in '06 and '07..he also pitched like one in the time he played last year. I considered him an ace all along, but people argue that he doesn't have overpowering stuff, which doesn't define a #1 pitcher. **** was the most winningest pitcher in '06 and '07 combining for 38 wins over a two year span.
Then you add on Joba, who pitched like an ace while he was starting. People say he hasn't pitched enough..and I guess you could say that, but don't argue that he doesn't have ace quality stuff. I think people fail to realize how good Joba was as a starter. He went: 63IP (W-L) 3-1 2.71ERA 71K The lowest ERA in the AL last year was 2.54 by Cliff Lee. By no means am I comparing him to the season that Lee had last year, but I just wanted to point that out.
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Tomlinson21RB said:
I can't agree with the OP you're responding to when he says A-Rod is as good as any at 3B defensively. His FLD% is above league average, but by most accounts he's about average, sometimes a little above, sometimes a little below. He's the best defender besides Teixeira on the team. The corners are solid, but Teixeira's impact defensively might be muted some because(and I may be wrong here) the defense's troubles are more with getting to balls, more than it is making bad throws that a great defensive 1B can get. Also, one more point on the defense, Posada will be back starting at C, and guess what position was the only position above average defensively last year? Catcher, when Molina was playing.
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