Is this week the last "stand" for the Phillies?

[gt2590]

Starting tomorrow, the Phils play 6 at home vs. the Padres and then the Cubs.

IF they don't ace this homestand, then IMO it is finally time to blow it all up. Although it's probably two years too late...

Trade every veteran you can for prospects, play the young guys, etc.

Phillies fans, does that sound about right?

 

[AmishDave]

I would tend to agree.

 

[Ashburn Alley]

I agree that it's a couple of years too late. This home stand won't change anything either. They haven't shown anything close to being a decent team all year. The offense is horrible. Is it safe to say Domonic Brown is a bust?

 

[gt2590]

Is it safe to say Domonic Brown is a bust?

I wouldn't say "bust" but I'd make him available for trade...

 

[Ashburn Alley]

What could they get? His value has to be the lowest it's ever been right now. The sad thing is that the Phillies don't have an alternative to plug in either.

 

[fordman]

They just played the Reds and they're equally as bad. Do the Phillies have any big salary guys that would keep them from being traded?

Sell me your Jay Bruce cards!

 

[Ashburn Alley]

Yes. Howard, Lee, Hamels, Papelbon all have large contracts. I believe Utley and Rollins are both 10/5 guys so they would need to approve a trade.

 

[21ccl]

It's too bad because as a Braves fan, when the Braves go to Citizen Bank Park, I see Howard, Rollins, Utley and Lee

 

[smapdi]

At the moment there are 3 teams tied for first place in the NL east, though one is statistically .001 behind the other two. The 4th place team is 5 GB and the last place team is 7 GB. I haven't looked at all their schedules, but even if the Phillies win 6 games in a row, they'll be at best 1 game out of first, picking up that ground against teams no better than they are, statistically speaking. They are, in fact, in last in the entire league and ahead of only 1 team in all of baseball. I'd say going 6-0 in the next stretch would be more incentive to break them up, as it could show to potential dealmakers that they can still produce. Because while it's only June and worst-to-first run from here isn't the most impossible thing, it's the kind of deal where finishing second isn't any better than finishing last, because they won't make a wildcard either.

 

[Pine Tar]

At the moment there are 3 teams tied for first place in the NL east, though one is statistically .001 behind the other two. The 4th place team is 5 GB and the last place team is 7 GB. I haven't looked at all their schedules, but even if the Phillies win 6 games in a row, they'll be at best 1 game out of first, picking up that ground against teams no better than they are, statistically speaking. They are, in fact, in last in the entire league and ahead of only 1 team in all of baseball. I'd say going 6-0 in the next stretch would be more incentive to break them up, as it could show to potential dealmakers that they can still produce. Because while it's only June and worst-to-first run from here isn't the most impossible thing, it's the kind of deal where finishing second isn't any better than finishing last, because they won't make a wildcard either.

Only if the other teams in their division lose all 6 of their games. Since the Phillies are not playing anyone in the division either. But I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Braves who are in first are at the Rockies for 4 games and then the Angels at home before they play the Phillies next week in Atlanta
Washington is only 3 games into a 10 game road trip. up next 4 at SF and then 3 at the Cardinals
Miami (off today) has the rangers for 2 games (tues, Wed) off thurs back home friday for a 10 game home stand with the Pirates Cubs and Mets.

so I would be safe in saying the time is now to blow up the team.

 

[Lancemountain]

I can't see trading Hamels or Howard without eating tons of cash and also utley and Rollins aren't going to bring you much back so trading them and alienating the fanbase and having attendance plummet doesn't make any sense IMO.

 

[rsmath]

I would think if you can't win at least 4-5 of the games against the Padres/cubs at home and win the following series in Atlanta to try to capitalize on the momentum, it would be time to consider blowing up the team because it'll give you about a month and a half to target prospects on other teams and negotiate with those other GMs for potential deals.

 

[Austin]

I feel sorry for Lee and Hamels these last few years. Great pitchers who rarely get run support.

 

[u2me57]

I think the Phillies gotta win 5 out of 6 against the Padres and Cubs and then win the series against the Braves to get things turned around. Hamels is pitching better and hopefully Ruf, Lee, and Asche get back soon. Revere needs to be back in the leadoff spot. Howard and Brown really need to pick it up. Go Phillies!

 

[gt2590]

Yeah, 5 out of 6 should keep the predators at bay, at least for another coupla weeks. :lol:

Intrigued by Burnett vs. Kennedy. Two guys who could throw up 0s or tons of runs. But as bad as the Pads and Phils (and later the Cubs) offenses are, I'm thinking a bunch of low-scoring games this week...

 

[maxe0213]

Only guy with decent value is Utley and he has to approve any trade. Lee and Howard are owed a ton so the only way they get traded is if the Phillies take on a ton of money.

The Phillies are one of the worst set up Franchises in the bigs at this point. Huge over paid vets who don't produce much and zilch in the farm save a few names.

 

[Ashburn Alley]

Yeah, 5 out of 6 should keep the predators at bay, at least for another coupla weeks. :lol:

Intrigued by Burnett vs. Kennedy. Two guys who could throw up 0s or tons of runs. But as bad as the Pads and Phils (and later the Cubs) offenses are, I'm thinking a bunch of low-scoring games this week...

Wow, didn't realize Kennedy was with SD...thought he was still with Arizona. The sad thing is that he's on one of my fantasy teams.

 

[gt2590]

The Phillies are one of the worst set up Franchises in the bigs at this point. Huge over paid vets who don't produce much and zilch in the farm save a few names.

Sounds like your Yankees?

 

[u2me57]

Phillies go for the sweep today. Cole Hamels pitched great last night. Go Phillies!

 

[gt2590]

Well, barely beating the depleted Fathers is NOT instilling any confidence in me! :lol:

A win is a win, although the Nats are really putting it together...