Jesus Montero traded for Pineda

[jbone17]

I hate this trade. Montero is going to be a monster and Noesi is a guaranteed starter. Campos will most likely be a one hit wonder prospect even though I have a little faith in him and Pineda is okay. The Yankees could have traded two lower level prospects for Pineda straight up.

Are you clueless? Pineda is an absolute MONSTER. You will be eating your words. I am willing to bet tha you have never even watched Pineda pitch, have you? You will soon be singing this kids praises because he will be a top 5 starter in the AL within a couple years.

Only a Yankee fan would say they could have got pineda for a couple low level prospects....

I pray that this trade pulls in our favor. Right now it seems pretty skeptical. Pineda was an absolute monster in the first half, but he did not show up to play in the second half. He didn't even have a strikeout per inning and against Boston he had a 14.54 ERA last year :/ I like Pineda's stuff, but hopefully Cashman can prove me wrong with this trade. I like that Pineda is a Yankee, but not at the price of Montero.

 

[ballerskrip]

I hate this trade. Montero is going to be a monster and Noesi is a guaranteed starter. Campos will most likely be a one hit wonder prospect even though I have a little faith in him and Pineda is okay. The Yankees could have traded two lower level prospects for Pineda straight up.

Are you clueless? Pineda is an absolute MONSTER. You will be eating your words. I am willing to bet tha you have never even watched Pineda pitch, have you? You will soon be singing this kids praises because he will be a top 5 starter in the AL within a couple years.

Only a Yankee fan would say they could have got pineda for a couple low level prospects....

I pray that this trade pulls in our favor. Right now it seems pretty skeptical. Pineda was an absolute monster in the first half, but he did not show up to play in the second half. He didn't even have a strikeout per inning and against Boston he had a 14.54 ERA last year :/ I like Pineda's stuff, but hopefully Cashman can prove me wrong with this trade. I like that Pineda is a Yankee, but not at the price of Montero.

Trust me, you will love Pineda. But, I understand not wanting to give up Montero. I truly believe this is one of those deals that both teams will be happy about down the road. The Yankees rotation just got MUCH stronger with Pineda and Kuroda.

 

[jbone17]

I hate this trade. Montero is going to be a monster and Noesi is a guaranteed starter. Campos will most likely be a one hit wonder prospect even though I have a little faith in him and Pineda is okay. The Yankees could have traded two lower level prospects for Pineda straight up.

Are you clueless? Pineda is an absolute MONSTER. You will be eating your words. I am willing to bet tha you have never even watched Pineda pitch, have you? You will soon be singing this kids praises because he will be a top 5 starter in the AL within a couple years.

Only a Yankee fan would say they could have got pineda for a couple low level prospects....

I pray that this trade pulls in our favor. Right now it seems pretty skeptical. Pineda was an absolute monster in the first half, but he did not show up to play in the second half. He didn't even have a strikeout per inning and against Boston he had a 14.54 ERA last year :/ I like Pineda's stuff, but hopefully Cashman can prove me wrong with this trade. I like that Pineda is a Yankee, but not at the price of Montero.

Trust me, you will love Pineda. But, I understand not wanting to give up Montero. I truly believe this is one of those deals that both teams will be happy about down the road. The Yankees rotation just got MUCH stronger with Pineda and Kuroda.

If he can pitch like he did the first half all year round I will love Pineda big time. Kuroda pitched decent in that division, but his record last year is nothing to write home about. Hopefully the Yankees can score runs when he starts.

 

[jcmint]

I hate this trade. Montero is going to be a monster and Noesi is a guaranteed starter. Campos will most likely be a one hit wonder prospect even though I have a little faith in him and Pineda is okay. The Yankees could have traded two lower level prospects for Pineda straight up.

Are you clueless? Pineda is an absolute MONSTER. You will be eating your words. I am willing to bet tha you have never even watched Pineda pitch, have you? You will soon be singing this kids praises because he will be a top 5 starter in the AL within a couple years.

Only a Yankee fan would say they could have got pineda for a couple low level prospects....

I pray that this trade pulls in our favor. Right now it seems pretty skeptical. Pineda was an absolute monster in the first half, but he did not show up to play in the second half. He didn't even have a strikeout per inning and against Boston he had a 14.54 ERA last year :/ I like Pineda's stuff, but hopefully Cashman can prove me wrong with this trade. I like that Pineda is a Yankee, but not at the price of Montero.

Trust me, you will love Pineda. But, I understand not wanting to give up Montero. I truly believe this is one of those deals that both teams will be happy about down the road. The Yankees rotation just got MUCH stronger with Pineda and Kuroda.

If he can pitch like he did the first half all year round I will love Pineda big time. Kuroda pitched decent in that division, but his record last year is nothing to write home about. Hopefully the Yankees can score runs when he starts.

Seriously every post you eat crow. Look at Kurodas stats and stop posting nonsense.

 

[19braves77]

Whole lot of "what if's" in this this thread and a lot of:

 

[jbone17]

[quote="jbone17":3ayp6sgl]I hate this trade. Montero is going to be a monster and Noesi is a guaranteed starter. Campos will most likely be a one hit wonder prospect even though I have a little faith in him and Pineda is okay. The Yankees could have traded two lower level prospects for Pineda straight up.

Are you clueless? Pineda is an absolute MONSTER. You will be eating your words. I am willing to bet tha you have never even watched Pineda pitch, have you? You will soon be singing this kids praises because he will be a top 5 starter in the AL within a couple years.

Only a Yankee fan would say they could have got pineda for a couple low level prospects....

I pray that this trade pulls in our favor. Right now it seems pretty skeptical. Pineda was an absolute monster in the first half, but he did not show up to play in the second half. He didn't even have a strikeout per inning and against Boston he had a 14.54 ERA last year :/ I like Pineda's stuff, but hopefully Cashman can prove me wrong with this trade. I like that Pineda is a Yankee, but not at the price of Montero.

Trust me, you will love Pineda. But, I understand not wanting to give up Montero. I truly believe this is one of those deals that both teams will be happy about down the road. The Yankees rotation just got MUCH stronger with Pineda and Kuroda.

If he can pitch like he did the first half all year round I will love Pineda big time. Kuroda pitched decent in that division, but his record last year is nothing to write home about. Hopefully the Yankees can score runs when he starts.

Seriously every post you eat crow. Look at Kurodas stats and stop posting nonsense.[/quote:3ayp6sgl]

I have looked at his stats. He has barely scrapped past .500 in every season that he has pitched. Like I said, hopefully Kuroda and Cashman can prove me wrong. When you give up the best damn prospect in your organization for Pineda and waste 10 million dollars on a 37 year old pitcher, you are prone to have a trace of skepticism right? How am a posting nonsense by the way? The stats that I have posted are facts. I am all for these moves IF they work and by looking at things right now, I am skeptical. I eat crow in every post huh? I don't think so.

 

[colts1888]

If the yankees couldve traded two lower tier prospects dont you think every other team wouldve tried trading for him. Look what teams gave up for Gio Gonzalez. If you want talent you need to give up talent. The Yankees desperatly needed a pitcher and they waited to get a young arm with a bright future. So they may have given up Montero but all he was is a fture DH with no position on this team. Why not trade when his stockhis high and get the best picher available. As far as Kuroda he is our number 4 our can you complain about having a guy with an under 3.5 era who has proven himself, best of all its a one year deal. The Yankees finally have that number 2 they have missed since **** and Mussina.

[quote="ballerskrip":17oxmr58][quote="jbone17":17oxmr58]I hate this trade. Montero is going to be a monster and Noesi is a guaranteed starter. Campos will most likely be a one hit wonder prospect even though I have a little faith in him and Pineda is okay. The Yankees could have traded two lower level prospects for Pineda straight up.

Are you clueless? Pineda is an absolute MONSTER. You will be eating your words. I am willing to bet tha you have never even watched Pineda pitch, have you? You will soon be singing this kids praises because he will be a top 5 starter in the AL within a couple years.

Only a Yankee fan would say they could have got pineda for a couple low level prospects....

I pray that this trade pulls in our favor. Right now it seems pretty skeptical. Pineda was an absolute monster in the first half, but he did not show up to play in the second half. He didn't even have a strikeout per inning and against Boston he had a 14.54 ERA last year :/ I like Pineda's stuff, but hopefully Cashman can prove me wrong with this trade. I like that Pineda is a Yankee, but not at the price of Montero.

Trust me, you will love Pineda. But, I understand not wanting to give up Montero. I truly believe this is one of those deals that both teams will be happy about down the road. The Yankees rotation just got MUCH stronger with Pineda and Kuroda.

If he can pitch like he did the first half all year round I will love Pineda big time. Kuroda pitched decent in that division, but his record last year is nothing to write home about. Hopefully the Yankees can score runs when he starts.

Seriously every post you eat crow. Look at Kurodas stats and stop posting nonsense.[/quote:17oxmr58]

I have looked at his stats. He has barely scrapped past .500 in every season that he has pitched. Like I said, hopefully Kuroda and Cashman can prove me wrong. When you give up the best damn prospect in your organization for Pineda and waste 10 million dollars on a 37 year old pitcher, you are prone to have a trace of skepticism right? How am a posting nonsense by the way? The stats that I have posted are facts. I am all for these moves IF they work and by looking at things right now, I am skeptical. I eat crow in every post huh? I don't think so.[/quote:17oxmr58]

 

[SeattleSports]

I have looked at his stats. He has barely scrapped past .500 in every season that he has pitched. Like I said, hopefully Kuroda and Cashman can prove me wrong. When you give up the best damn prospect in your organization for Pineda and waste 10 million dollars on a 37 year old pitcher, you are prone to have a trace of skepticism right? How am a posting nonsense by the way? The stats that I have posted are facts. I am all for these moves IF they work and by looking at things right now, I am skeptical. I eat crow in every post huh? I don't think so.

Which pitcher would you rather have?

Player A) 13-16 3.07 ERA, 161 K's, 1.21 WHIP, .254 BAA
Player B) 16-4 3.70 ERA, 98 K's, 1.33 WHIP, .258 BAA

If you answered B, you are a Yankee fan.

Player A is Kuroda, player B is Nova. Player A had a significantly better season. Please just stop looking at W/L... It's painful.

 

[SeattleSports]

I hate this trade. Montero is going to be a monster and Noesi is a guaranteed starter. Campos will most likely be a one hit wonder prospect even though I have a little faith in him and Pineda is okay. The Yankees could have traded two lower level prospects for Pineda straight up.

Are you clueless? Pineda is an absolute MONSTER. You will be eating your words. I am willing to bet tha you have never even watched Pineda pitch, have you? You will soon be singing this kids praises because he will be a top 5 starter in the AL within a couple years.

Only a Yankee fan would say they could have got pineda for a couple low level prospects....

I pray that this trade pulls in our favor. Right now it seems pretty skeptical. Pineda was an absolute monster in the first half, but he did not show up to play in the second half. He didn't even have a strikeout per inning and against Boston he had a 14.54 ERA last year :/ I like Pineda's stuff, but hopefully Cashman can prove me wrong with this trade. I like that Pineda is a Yankee, but not at the price of Montero.

Seriously, just stop. Ever heard of sample size? He has had ONE career start against Boston and you're using his ERA against him? lol

 

[MantMaris]

[quote="ballerskrip"i2teclu][quote="jbone17"i2teclu]I hate this trade. Montero is going to be a monster and Noesi is a guaranteed starter. Campos will most likely be a one hit wonder prospect even though I have a little faith in him and Pineda is okay. The Yankees could have traded two lower level prospects for Pineda straight up.

Are you clueless? Pineda is an absolute MONSTER. You will be eating your words. I am willing to bet tha you have never even watched Pineda pitch, have you? You will soon be singing this kids praises because he will be a top 5 starter in the AL within a couple years.

Only a Yankee fan would say they could have got pineda for a couple low level prospects....

I pray that this trade pulls in our favor. Right now it seems pretty skeptical. Pineda was an absolute monster in the first half, but he did not show up to play in the second half. He didn't even have a strikeout per inning and against Boston he had a 14.54 ERA last year :/ I like Pineda's stuff, but hopefully Cashman can prove me wrong with this trade. I like that Pineda is a Yankee, but not at the price of Montero.

Trust me, you will love Pineda. But, I understand not wanting to give up Montero. I truly believe this is one of those deals that both teams will be happy about down the road. The Yankees rotation just got MUCH stronger with Pineda and Kuroda.

If he can pitch like he did the first half all year round I will love Pineda big time. Kuroda pitched decent in that division, but his record last year is nothing to write home about. Hopefully the Yankees can score runs when he starts.

Seriously every post you eat crow. Look at Kurodas stats and stop posting nonsense.[/quotei2teclu]

I have looked at his stats. He has barely scrapped past .500 in every season that he has pitched. Like I said, hopefully Kuroda and Cashman can prove me wrong. When you give up the best damn prospect in your organization for Pineda and waste 10 million dollars on a 37 year old pitcher, you are prone to have a trace of skepticism right? How am a posting nonsense by the way? The stats that I have posted are facts. I am all for these moves IF they work and by looking at things right now, I am skeptical. I eat crow in every post huh? I don't think so.[/quotei2teclu]

You are right and every top scout in the country is wrong. Pineda sucks and doesn't have future ace potential.

Kuroda had Matt Kemp and Andre Ethier supporting him and that is about it. He will have much more run support here. How about you give him a chance before calling Kuroda a "waste". You would rather keep running Burnett out there every five days? Maybe rush one of the kids up? A one year 10 million deal is nothing in Yankee money. All of the money Cashman has pissed away on bad deals and THIS is where you draw the line?

 

[MacK]

[quote="ballerskrip":j8wl6vlz][quote="jbone17":j8wl6vlz]I hate this trade. Montero is going to be a monster and Noesi is a guaranteed starter. Campos will most likely be a one hit wonder prospect even though I have a little faith in him and Pineda is okay. The Yankees could have traded two lower level prospects for Pineda straight up.

Are you clueless? Pineda is an absolute MONSTER. You will be eating your words. I am willing to bet tha you have never even watched Pineda pitch, have you? You will soon be singing this kids praises because he will be a top 5 starter in the AL within a couple years.

Only a Yankee fan would say they could have got pineda for a couple low level prospects....

I pray that this trade pulls in our favor. Right now it seems pretty skeptical. Pineda was an absolute monster in the first half, but he did not show up to play in the second half. He didn't even have a strikeout per inning and against Boston he had a 14.54 ERA last year :/ I like Pineda's stuff, but hopefully Cashman can prove me wrong with this trade. I like that Pineda is a Yankee, but not at the price of Montero.

Trust me, you will love Pineda. But, I understand not wanting to give up Montero. I truly believe this is one of those deals that both teams will be happy about down the road. The Yankees rotation just got MUCH stronger with Pineda and Kuroda.

If he can pitch like he did the first half all year round I will love Pineda big time. Kuroda pitched decent in that division, but his record last year is nothing to write home about. Hopefully the Yankees can score runs when he starts.

Seriously every post you eat crow. Look at Kurodas stats and stop posting nonsense.[/quote:j8wl6vlz]

I have looked at his stats. He has barely scrapped past .500 in every season that he has pitched. Like I said, hopefully Kuroda and Cashman can prove me wrong. When you give up the best damn prospect in your organization for Pineda and waste 10 million dollars on a 37 year old pitcher, you are prone to have a trace of skepticism right? How am a posting nonsense by the way? The stats that I have posted are facts. I am all for these moves IF they work and by looking at things right now, I am skeptical. I eat crow in every post huh? I don't think so.[/quote:j8wl6vlz]

He's been on a .500 team the last 2 years. Obviously his record is not going to be astounding. Look at nearly anything else besides his wins and you'll see he's a damn good pitcher and the Yankees are most definitely not "wasting" $10M on him. It's a one-year deal anyway, there is no long term commitment.

 

[MacK]

I hate this trade. Montero is going to be a monster and Noesi is a guaranteed starter. Campos will most likely be a one hit wonder prospect even though I have a little faith in him and Pineda is okay. The Yankees could have traded two lower level prospects for Pineda straight up.

Are you clueless? Pineda is an absolute MONSTER. You will be eating your words. I am willing to bet tha you have never even watched Pineda pitch, have you? You will soon be singing this kids praises because he will be a top 5 starter in the AL within a couple years.

Only a Yankee fan would say they could have got pineda for a couple low level prospects....

I pray that this trade pulls in our favor. Right now it seems pretty skeptical. Pineda was an absolute monster in the first half, but he did not show up to play in the second half. He didn't even have a strikeout per inning and against Boston he had a 14.54 ERA last year :/ I like Pineda's stuff, but hopefully Cashman can prove me wrong with this trade. I like that Pineda is a Yankee, but not at the price of Montero.

Seriously, just stop. Ever heard of sample size? He has had ONE career start against Boston and you're using his ERA against him? lol

Or that he "didn't even have a strikeout per inning"? There were 8 pitchers in the entire MLB who averaged a strikeout per inning in the second half. There were only 7 pitchers who averaged a strikeout per inning all year, Pineda included.

 

[blanning71]

Every player that is traded has a fresh start with a new team. Honestly, I like these deals the Yankees have made. They were deep at catcher position and Montero hasn't been projected to be the catcher for them for a while now. With Pineda, I see good things. He's got a better than average lineup to be able to score runs for him and the defense is pretty good too. Again, he has a fresh start. The Yanks signing Kuroda is a pretty sound move. He's put up solid numbers even if his "W-L" stat doesn't indicate it. I think signing him is better than investing in some of the guys they have in recent years like Pavano, Wright, Brown, and a few others.

Lets just wait and see it all unfold!

 

[Y4NK335]

[quote="jbone17":ngz1gle0][quote="ballerskrip":ngz1gle0][quote="jbone17":ngz1gle0]I hate this trade. Montero is going to be a monster and Noesi is a guaranteed starter. Campos will most likely be a one hit wonder prospect even though I have a little faith in him and Pineda is okay. The Yankees could have traded two lower level prospects for Pineda straight up.

Are you clueless? Pineda is an absolute MONSTER. You will be eating your words. I am willing to bet tha you have never even watched Pineda pitch, have you? You will soon be singing this kids praises because he will be a top 5 starter in the AL within a couple years.

Only a Yankee fan would say they could have got pineda for a couple low level prospects....

I pray that this trade pulls in our favor. Right now it seems pretty skeptical. Pineda was an absolute monster in the first half, but he did not show up to play in the second half. He didn't even have a strikeout per inning and against Boston he had a 14.54 ERA last year :/ I like Pineda's stuff, but hopefully Cashman can prove me wrong with this trade. I like that Pineda is a Yankee, but not at the price of Montero.

Trust me, you will love Pineda. But, I understand not wanting to give up Montero. I truly believe this is one of those deals that both teams will be happy about down the road. The Yankees rotation just got MUCH stronger with Pineda and Kuroda.

If he can pitch like he did the first half all year round I will love Pineda big time. Kuroda pitched decent in that division, but his record last year is nothing to write home about. Hopefully the Yankees can score runs when he starts.

Seriously every post you eat crow. Look at Kurodas stats and stop posting nonsense.[/quote:ngz1gle0]

I have looked at his stats. He has barely scrapped past .500 in every season that he has pitched. Like I said, hopefully Kuroda and Cashman can prove me wrong. When you give up the best damn prospect in your organization for Pineda and waste 10 million dollars on a 37 year old pitcher, you are prone to have a trace of skepticism right? How am a posting nonsense by the way? The stats that I have posted are facts. I am all for these moves IF they work and by looking at things right now, I am skeptical. I eat crow in every post huh? I don't think so.[/quote:ngz1gle0]

He's been on a .500 team the last 2 years. Obviously his record is not going to be astounding. Look at nearly anything else besides his wins and you'll see he's a damn good pitcher and the Yankees are most definitely not "wasting" $10M on him. It's a one-year deal anyway, there is no long term commitment.[/quote:ngz1gle0]

Thank you. Without getting into any actual numbers, my thoughts on the thread/trade.

W-L record is the most deceiving "stat" in baseball. If your offense does not score you runs, you will not win games. He can not control the outcome of his W-L's. To say Kuroda is not good because of his record is laughable, and barely warranted this response. Because honestly, if you can not see past that, it appears that it would be hard to have a serious conversation regarding the potential of the pitchers involved in this topic.

As for the trade, it is a win-win. The Yankees received a player that they desperately needed to fill in the #2 spot in the rotation behind CC, and gave away a player that did not have a definite role outside of DH on this team. He would have been blocked at first and his C abilities are shoddy at best, at this point of his career. The Mariners received a much needed impact bat for the middle of their lineup to assist their dreadful offensive production. This trade can be revisited in 3-5 years to truly determine a winner, if any, but this looks to be along the lines of the Beckett/Hanley, where a clear winner is still up in the air.

My initial reaction (within 3 minutes of finding out the news) displayed uncertainty towards the deal. I was upset to see the Yankees give up a truly talented bat for a pitcher who tailed off last season, but has an unquestionable amount of talent. After I sat back and looked at the trade, it has really warmed up to me. It is a trade that makes perfect sense for both teams, and the Yankees have a potential front-end starter for the next 5 years at a minimal cost. Offense has rarely been the Yankees weak point, so to say Montero should have been off-limits is not entirely understandable. A rotation of CC - Pineda - Kuroda - Nova - Burnett/Garcia/Hughes is definitely among the upper echelons of the league. To go along with a potent offense and one of the top bullpens, the Yankees certainly set themselves up for success in the near future.

To assess the minor details of the trade, the swap of Campos for Noesi also makes sense for both teams. While I am a fan of Noesi, it was unlikely that he would have seen much time in the MLB this season due to the rotation that has been put together. To trade an MLB ready starter for a young pitcher with an abundance of potential is certainly a wise move. I sincerely commend Brian Cashman for this trade, who I feel is an underrated GM (if that is possible, someone on the Yankees underrated?!). While it possesses a big risk, it appears to be the best available move. I would much rather Pineda/Campos over some of the other options this offseason has brought: Cahill, Gonzalez, Darvish, nearly Danks, etc.

 

[boomo]

[quote="ballerskrip":mwzvexb1][quote="jbone17":mwzvexb1][quote="ballerskrip":mwzvexb1][quote="jbone17":mwzvexb1]I hate this trade. Montero is going to be a monster and Noesi is a guaranteed starter. Campos will most likely be a one hit wonder prospect even though I have a little faith in him and Pineda is okay. The Yankees could have traded two lower level prospects for Pineda straight up.

Are you clueless? Pineda is an absolute MONSTER. You will be eating your words. I am willing to bet tha you have never even watched Pineda pitch, have you? You will soon be singing this kids praises because he will be a top 5 starter in the AL within a couple years.

Only a Yankee fan would say they could have got pineda for a couple low level prospects....

I pray that this trade pulls in our favor. Right now it seems pretty skeptical. Pineda was an absolute monster in the first half, but he did not show up to play in the second half. He didn't even have a strikeout per inning and against Boston he had a 14.54 ERA last year :/ I like Pineda's stuff, but hopefully Cashman can prove me wrong with this trade. I like that Pineda is a Yankee, but not at the price of Montero.

Trust me, you will love Pineda. But, I understand not wanting to give up Montero. I truly believe this is one of those deals that both teams will be happy about down the road. The Yankees rotation just got MUCH stronger with Pineda and Kuroda.

If he can pitch like he did the first half all year round I will love Pineda big time. Kuroda pitched decent in that division, but his record last year is nothing to write home about. Hopefully the Yankees can score runs when he starts.

Seriously every post you eat crow. Look at Kurodas stats and stop posting nonsense.[/quote:mwzvexb1]

I have looked at his stats. He has barely scrapped past .500 in every season that he has pitched. Like I said, hopefully Kuroda and Cashman can prove me wrong. When you give up the best damn prospect in your organization for Pineda and waste 10 million dollars on a 37 year old pitcher, you are prone to have a trace of skepticism right? How am a posting nonsense by the way? The stats that I have posted are facts. I am all for these moves IF they work and by looking at things right now, I am skeptical. I eat crow in every post huh? I don't think so.[/quote:mwzvexb1]

He's been on a .500 team the last 2 years. Obviously his record is not going to be astounding. Look at nearly anything else besides his wins and you'll see he's a damn good pitcher and the Yankees are most definitely not "wasting" $10M on him. It's a one-year deal anyway, there is no long term commitment.[/quote:mwzvexb1]

Thank you. Without getting into any actual numbers, my thoughts on the thread/trade.

W-L record is the most deceiving "stat" in baseball. If your offense does not score you runs, you will not win games. He can not control the outcome of his W-L's. To say Kuroda is not good because of his record is laughable, and barely warranted this response. Because honestly, if you can not see past that, it appears that it would be hard to have a serious conversation regarding the potential of the pitchers involved in this topic.

As for the trade, it is a win-win. The Yankees received a player that they desperately needed to fill in the #2 spot in the rotation behind CC, and gave away a player that did not have a definite role outside of DH on this team. He would have been blocked at first and his C abilities are shoddy at best, at this point of his career. The Mariners received a much needed impact bat for the middle of their lineup to assist their dreadful offensive production. This trade can be revisited in 3-5 years to truly determine a winner, if any, but this looks to be along the lines of the Beckett/Hanley, where a clear winner is still up in the air.

My initial reaction (within 3 minutes of finding out the news) displayed uncertainty towards the deal. I was upset to see the Yankees give up a truly talented bat for a pitcher who tailed off last season, but has an unquestionable amount of talent. After I sat back and looked at the trade, it has really warmed up to me. It is a trade that makes perfect sense for both teams, and the Yankees have a potential front-end starter for the next 5 years at a minimal cost. Offense has rarely been the Yankees weak point, so to say Montero should have been off-limits is not entirely understandable. A rotation of CC - Pineda - Kuroda - Nova - Burnett/Garcia/Hughes is definitely among the upper echelons of the league. To go along with a potent offense and one of the top bullpens, the Yankees certainly set themselves up for success in the near future.

To assess the minor details of the trade, the swap of Campos for Noesi also makes sense for both teams. While I am a fan of Noesi, it was unlikely that he would have seen much time in the MLB this season due to the rotation that has been put together. To trade an MLB ready starter for a young pitcher with an abundance of potential is certainly a wise move. I sincerely commend Brian Cashman for this trade, who I feel is an underrated GM (if that is possible, someone on the Yankees underrated?!). While it possesses a big risk, it appears to be the best available move. I would much rather Pineda/Campos over some of the other options this offseason has brought: Cahill, Gonzalez, Darvish, nearly Danks, etc.[/quote:mwzvexb1]

so pineda after a so-so rookie year is already a # 2 starter?
for the yankees? oy vey

 

[yanksfan15]

I hate this trade. Montero is going to be a monster and Noesi is a guaranteed starter. Campos will most likely be a one hit wonder prospect even though I have a little faith in him and Pineda is okay. The Yankees could have traded two lower level prospects for Pineda straight up.

Are you clueless? Pineda is an absolute MONSTER. You will be eating your words. I am willing to bet tha you have never even watched Pineda pitch, have you? You will soon be singing this kids praises because he will be a top 5 starter in the AL within a couple years.

Only a Yankee fan would say they could have got pineda for a couple low level prospects....

I pray that this trade pulls in our favor. Right now it seems pretty skeptical. Pineda was an absolute monster in the first half, but he did not show up to play in the second half. He didn't even have a strikeout per inning and against Boston he had a 14.54 ERA last year :/ I like Pineda's stuff, but hopefully Cashman can prove me wrong with this trade. I like that Pineda is a Yankee, but not at the price of Montero.

Everything you have posted is uneducated and foolish.

 

[Y4NK335]

so pineda after a so-so rookie year is already a # 2 starter?
for the yankees? oy vey

He certainly has the potential. Yes.

Not saying he will be this season, but his long term outlook is definitely a #2 starter behind Sabathia.

 

[SeattleSports]

[quote="jbone17":dy9vlnkn][quote="ballerskrip":dy9vlnkn][quote="jbone17":dy9vlnkn][quote="ballerskrip":dy9vlnkn][quote="jbone17":dy9vlnkn]I hate this trade. Montero is going to be a monster and Noesi is a guaranteed starter. Campos will most likely be a one hit wonder prospect even though I have a little faith in him and Pineda is okay. The Yankees could have traded two lower level prospects for Pineda straight up.

Are you clueless? Pineda is an absolute MONSTER. You will be eating your words. I am willing to bet tha you have never even watched Pineda pitch, have you? You will soon be singing this kids praises because he will be a top 5 starter in the AL within a couple years.

Only a Yankee fan would say they could have got pineda for a couple low level prospects....

I pray that this trade pulls in our favor. Right now it seems pretty skeptical. Pineda was an absolute monster in the first half, but he did not show up to play in the second half. He didn't even have a strikeout per inning and against Boston he had a 14.54 ERA last year :/ I like Pineda's stuff, but hopefully Cashman can prove me wrong with this trade. I like that Pineda is a Yankee, but not at the price of Montero.

Trust me, you will love Pineda. But, I understand not wanting to give up Montero. I truly believe this is one of those deals that both teams will be happy about down the road. The Yankees rotation just got MUCH stronger with Pineda and Kuroda.

If he can pitch like he did the first half all year round I will love Pineda big time. Kuroda pitched decent in that division, but his record last year is nothing to write home about. Hopefully the Yankees can score runs when he starts.

Seriously every post you eat crow. Look at Kurodas stats and stop posting nonsense.[/quote:dy9vlnkn]

I have looked at his stats. He has barely scrapped past .500 in every season that he has pitched. Like I said, hopefully Kuroda and Cashman can prove me wrong. When you give up the best damn prospect in your organization for Pineda and waste 10 million dollars on a 37 year old pitcher, you are prone to have a trace of skepticism right? How am a posting nonsense by the way? The stats that I have posted are facts. I am all for these moves IF they work and by looking at things right now, I am skeptical. I eat crow in every post huh? I don't think so.[/quote:dy9vlnkn]

He's been on a .500 team the last 2 years. Obviously his record is not going to be astounding. Look at nearly anything else besides his wins and you'll see he's a damn good pitcher and the Yankees are most definitely not "wasting" $10M on him. It's a one-year deal anyway, there is no long term commitment.[/quote:dy9vlnkn]

Thank you. Without getting into any actual numbers, my thoughts on the thread/trade.

W-L record is the most deceiving "stat" in baseball. If your offense does not score you runs, you will not win games. He can not control the outcome of his W-L's. To say Kuroda is not good because of his record is laughable, and barely warranted this response. Because honestly, if you can not see past that, it appears that it would be hard to have a serious conversation regarding the potential of the pitchers involved in this topic.

As for the trade, it is a win-win. The Yankees received a player that they desperately needed to fill in the #2 spot in the rotation behind CC, and gave away a player that did not have a definite role outside of DH on this team. He would have been blocked at first and his C abilities are shoddy at best, at this point of his career. The Mariners received a much needed impact bat for the middle of their lineup to assist their dreadful offensive production. This trade can be revisited in 3-5 years to truly determine a winner, if any, but this looks to be along the lines of the Beckett/Hanley, where a clear winner is still up in the air.

My initial reaction (within 3 minutes of finding out the news) displayed uncertainty towards the deal. I was upset to see the Yankees give up a truly talented bat for a pitcher who tailed off last season, but has an unquestionable amount of talent. After I sat back and looked at the trade, it has really warmed up to me. It is a trade that makes perfect sense for both teams, and the Yankees have a potential front-end starter for the next 5 years at a minimal cost. Offense has rarely been the Yankees weak point, so to say Montero should have been off-limits is not entirely understandable. A rotation of CC - Pineda - Kuroda - Nova - Burnett/Garcia/Hughes is definitely among the upper echelons of the league. To go along with a potent offense and one of the top bullpens, the Yankees certainly set themselves up for success in the near future.

To assess the minor details of the trade, the swap of Campos for Noesi also makes sense for both teams. While I am a fan of Noesi, it was unlikely that he would have seen much time in the MLB this season due to the rotation that has been put together. To trade an MLB ready starter for a young pitcher with an abundance of potential is certainly a wise move. I sincerely commend Brian Cashman for this trade, who I feel is an underrated GM (if that is possible, someone on the Yankees underrated?!). While it possesses a big risk, it appears to be the best available move. I would much rather Pineda/Campos over some of the other options this offseason has brought: Cahill, Gonzalez, Darvish, nearly Danks, etc.[/quote:dy9vlnkn]

so pineda after a so-so rookie year is already a # 2 starter?
for the yankees? oy vey[/quote:dy9vlnkn]

It's like arguing with a wall.

 

[jbone17]

I am not going simply on W/L record. I am simply praying that this trade works out for the better. I hope that Cashman can prove me wrong. Pineda is young and I never said that I completely hate him. I do not like the trade because giving up Montero was too pricey for what we got in return. 2 years ago the Yankees could have had Halladay and now you have Pineda. It is bittersweet lol. I hope I do eat my own words! I really do! When you give up the gem of the system you will by nature have skepticism. The trade does improve the rotation drastically, but the price was to much in my eyes. Let's hope everything works out!

 

[MacK]

Every player that is traded has a fresh start with a new team. Honestly, I like these deals the Yankees have made. They were deep at catcher position and Montero hasn't been projected to be the catcher for them for a while now. With Pineda, I see good things. He's got a better than average lineup to be able to score runs for him and the defense is pretty good too. Again, he has a fresh start. The Yanks signing Kuroda is a pretty sound move. He's put up solid numbers even if his "W-L" stat doesn't indicate it. I think signing him is better than investing in some of the guys they have in recent years like Pavano, Wright, Brown, and a few others.

Lets just wait and see it all unfold!

I actually really like the deals for the Yankees too, but I don't necessarily think Pineda needs a fresh start, rather just building on his season last year and not be the pitcher of 2 halves. Last year he definitely impressed a lot of people, and I think it was definitely a positive overall. It'll be interesting to see him on a big stage, because honestly I think a lot of people who are against this from the Yankees POV didn't see much of him last year, being that his games were over at 1 AM on the east coast and subsequently got little media coverage.