Josh Beckett the best pitcher in baseball????

[brouthercard]

Where did all the Greinke-homers go?

Oh, I forgot. He actually IS this year's version of Cliff Lee.

Funny how people jumped off Greinke's bandwagon so quickly...

So he will win the Cy young and lead the league in wins?

I was actually referring to a post about a month ago when people felt that Greinke was the best pitcher in baseball and I was reminding everyone that he was just on a hot streak and would settle back to being a solid pitcher, not Sandy Koufax. The Cliff Lee comparison was made simply to show that many pitchers have one career CRAZY year, then level off back to solid-mediocre.

I think Greinke went through a hot streak, and I don't feel like he is going to develop into a perennial cy young candidate. Especially not with the Royals.

 

[Big Mac McGwire]

I made the mistake of watching 1st and 10 on my lunch break and one of the reporters on there said Josh Beckett was the best pitcher in baseball. He isn't even the best pitcher in his own division let alone all of baseball. Am I the only one who thought that was so far off base?

Here is a list of guys who are better then Beckett in my opinion:

Johan Santana
Tim Lincecum
Roy Halladay
Dan Haren
Chad Billingsley
Jake Peavy
Zach Grienke - at least this season
Felix Hernandez
C.C. Sabathia

That is without even thinking about it. I don't even watch ESPN anymore because they don't live in reality./rant

Johan and Hallday. Your right on that. Thats it. Please do not rate guys based on their baseball card value. Cause that's what your list looks like. A complete joke.

How wrong can you be!!!! Lincecum better then Josh Beckett? Umm Beckett is one of the greatest post season pitchers of all time. Wrong there. Dan Haren??? hahaha NO. Peavy??? NO. Felix???? yeaaaaa right. CC??? Nahh Sorry buddy. There are 2 pitchers that are better then him, REGULAR SEASON that is, Johan and Doc Hallday. Thats it. This is one of the funniest posts i have ever seen. You really have not been following baseball since 2003. Cause if you have, you would know how good Josh Beckett is. Tim Lincecum, 2 years is better then a guy that has won 2 World Series and 1 MVP award in the biggest stage??? Felix Hernandez who has never pitched a big game in his life????? Chad Billingsly??? are you on drugs???? Peavy?? When was the last time he pitched a meaningful game???? Greinke??? look at his last 3 starts. Look at Beckett his last 6 Starts. He's back. If he was healthy last year the Sox go to the series and prolly win it. Please do not make posts like this that show your ignorance. hahaha Felix, Lincecum, Billingsly hahahahaahah this is hilarious. That's like saying Tom Glavine was better then Bob Gibson. Hilarious stuff.

 

[Johan Santana 57]

Halladay hands down, and its not close. Johan is the distinct second, but Halladay has just been amazing and continues to be.

 

[Jack Straw]

I made the mistake of watching 1st and 10 on my lunch break and one of the reporters on there said Josh Beckett was the best pitcher in baseball. He isn't even the best pitcher in his own division let alone all of baseball. Am I the only one who thought that was so far off base?

Here is a list of guys who are better then Beckett in my opinion:

Johan Santana
Tim Lincecum
Roy Halladay
Dan Haren
Chad Billingsley
Jake Peavy
Zach Grienke - at least this season
Felix Hernandez
C.C. Sabathia

That is without even thinking about it. I don't even watch ESPN anymore because they don't live in reality.

/rant

I think what they where saying is none of the pitchers on your list have ever won a big game or at least that I can remember?

yeah but how many of these pitchers actually have a team around them to take them to the playoffs and have a CHANCE to win big games...not every one has the boston offense around them

I am guessing 6 maybe 7 ?

 

[lordsepic]

Josh Beckett is an amazing post season pitcher... I do not even put him in the top 5 taking regular season into account.

 

[dooly]

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[dooly]

I made the mistake of watching 1st and 10 on my lunch break and one of the reporters on there said Josh Beckett was the best pitcher in baseball. He isn't even the best pitcher in his own division let alone all of baseball. Am I the only one who thought that was so far off base?

Here is a list of guys who are better then Beckett in my opinion:

Johan Santana
Tim Lincecum
Roy Halladay
Dan Haren
Chad Billingsley
Jake Peavy
Zach Grienke - at least this season
Felix Hernandez
C.C. Sabathia

That is without even thinking about it. I don't even watch ESPN anymore because they don't live in reality./rant

Johan and Hallday. Your right on that. Thats it. Please do not rate guys based on their baseball card value. Cause that's what your list looks like. A complete joke.

How wrong can you be!!!! Lincecum better then Josh Beckett? Umm Beckett is one of the greatest post season pitchers of all time. Wrong there. Dan Haren??? hahaha NO. Peavy??? NO. Felix???? yeaaaaa right. CC??? Nahh Sorry buddy. There are 2 pitchers that are better then him, REGULAR SEASON that is, Johan and Doc Hallday. Thats it. This is one of the funniest posts i have ever seen. You really have not been following baseball since 2003. Cause if you have, you would know how good Josh Beckett is. Tim Lincecum, 2 years is better then a guy that has won 2 World Series and 1 MVP award in the biggest stage??? Felix Hernandez who has never pitched a big game in his life????? Chad Billingsly??? are you on drugs???? Peavy?? When was the last time he pitched a meaningful game???? Greinke??? look at his last 3 starts. Look at Beckett his last 6 Starts. He's back. If he was healthy last year the Sox go to the series and prolly win it. Please do not make posts like this that show your ignorance. hahaha Felix, Lincecum, Billingsly hahahahaahah this is hilarious. That's like saying Tom Glavine was better then Bob Gibson. Hilarious stuff.

Why do you say there are only 2 pitchers better than beckett in the REGULAR SEASON, then go out talking about winning 2 world series and 1 mvp in the playoffs? Beckett has not been better than many of the pitchers on that list during the regular season in his 3+ years in boston. You can't blame pitchers for not making it to the playoffs.

 

[Big Mac McGwire]

I made the mistake of watching 1st and 10 on my lunch break and one of the reporters on there said Josh Beckett was the best pitcher in baseball. He isn't even the best pitcher in his own division let alone all of baseball. Am I the only one who thought that was so far off base?

Here is a list of guys who are better then Beckett in my opinion:

Johan Santana
Tim Lincecum
Roy Halladay
Dan Haren
Chad Billingsley
Jake Peavy
Zach Grienke - at least this season
Felix Hernandez
C.C. Sabathia

That is without even thinking about it. I don't even watch ESPN anymore because they don't live in reality./rant

Johan and Hallday. Your right on that. Thats it. Please do not rate guys based on their baseball card value. Cause that's what your list looks like. A complete joke.

How wrong can you be!!!! Lincecum better then Josh Beckett? Umm Beckett is one of the greatest post season pitchers of all time. Wrong there. Dan Haren??? hahaha NO. Peavy??? NO. Felix???? yeaaaaa right. CC??? Nahh Sorry buddy. There are 2 pitchers that are better then him, REGULAR SEASON that is, Johan and Doc Hallday. Thats it. This is one of the funniest posts i have ever seen. You really have not been following baseball since 2003. Cause if you have, you would know how good Josh Beckett is. Tim Lincecum, 2 years is better then a guy that has won 2 World Series and 1 MVP award in the biggest stage??? Felix Hernandez who has never pitched a big game in his life????? Chad Billingsly??? are you on drugs???? Peavy?? When was the last time he pitched a meaningful game???? Greinke??? look at his last 3 starts. Look at Beckett his last 6 Starts. He's back. If he was healthy last year the Sox go to the series and prolly win it. Please do not make posts like this that show your ignorance. hahaha Felix, Lincecum, Billingsly hahahahaahah this is hilarious. That's like saying Tom Glavine was better then Bob Gibson. Hilarious stuff.

Why do you say there are only 2 pitchers better than beckett in the REGULAR SEASON, then go out talking about winning 2 world series and 1 mvp in the playoffs? Beckett has not been better than many of the pitchers on that list during the regular season in his 3+ years in boston. You can't blame pitchers for not making it to the playoffs.

What if Joe Montana didn't have Jerry Rice. I dont wanna hear about other pitchers not making it to the playoffs. History is History. Beckett is a money pitcher. TO say that CHAD Billingsly or Tim Lincecum or Felix Hernandrz is better is absolute joke. Beckett also very good regular seasons. Combined with Post season, or BIG TIME PRESSURE games, There are only 2 guys better then him, Johan and Roy, just because i dont think post season would effect them. To say those other guys are better then beckett is a joke. Until they have DOMINATING performances when it matters, Beckett and them are not in the same category.

 

[Big Mac McGwire]

from what beckett has shown, when the games has mattered the most (post season) he shows to be one of the best, if not the best. Based on his ability to have DOMINATING Performances in the most pressure filled type games, puts him in the category of best pitchers in baseball. The argument is not based on other pitchers who have not made the playoffs (Lincecum,King Felix) etc, the fact is Beckett has shown us how great he can be in big games. because of that he considered one of the best pitchers in baseball. Based on what he is shown , he gets grouped above all of the names mentioned in this post, except Johan and Halladay because regardless i think those 2 would dominate in big games. The other guys have not been as dominant for as long as Johan and Halladay. You can not say guys such as Lincecum or Billingsly who have been in the league for 2 years are better then Josh beckett.

 

[cubfan131]

from what beckett has shown, when the games has mattered the most (post season) he shows to be one of the best, if not the best. Based on his ability to have DOMINATING Performances in the most pressure filled type games, puts him in the category of best pitchers in baseball. The argument is not based on other pitchers who have not made the playoffs (Lincecum,King Felix) etc, the fact is Beckett has shown us how great he can be in big games. because of that he considered one of the best pitchers in baseball. Based on what he is shown , he gets grouped above all of the names mentioned in this post, except Johan and Halladay because regardless i think those 2 would dominate in big games. The other guys have not been as dominant for as long as Johan and Halladay. You can not say guys such as Lincecum or Billingsly who have been in the league for 2 years are better then Josh beckett.

So by big game pitcher you mean this amazing line he put up in game 2 of the ALCS last year. 4.1 IP 9 H 8 ER 1 BB 5 SO 3 HR

If that is the best big game pitcher in baseball I'd hate to see who number 2 is. Sure the guy is a good pitcher but to say he is the best is ludicrous. Sure he was good in '03 and '07 in the playoffs but he was pretty bad last year.

 

[RL24]

[quote="Big Mac McGwire":1et504s8]

I made the mistake of watching 1st and 10 on my lunch break and one of the reporters on there said Josh Beckett was the best pitcher in baseball. He isn't even the best pitcher in his own division let alone all of baseball. Am I the only one who thought that was so far off base?

Here is a list of guys who are better then Beckett in my opinion:

Johan Santana
Tim Lincecum
Roy Halladay
Dan Haren
Chad Billingsley
Jake Peavy
Zach Grienke - at least this season
Felix Hernandez
C.C. Sabathia

That is without even thinking about it. I don't even watch ESPN anymore because they don't live in reality./rant

Johan and Hallday. Your right on that. Thats it. Please do not rate guys based on their baseball card value. Cause that's what your list looks like. A complete joke.

How wrong can you be!!!! Lincecum better then Josh Beckett? Umm Beckett is one of the greatest post season pitchers of all time. Wrong there. Dan Haren??? hahaha NO. Peavy??? NO. Felix???? yeaaaaa right. CC??? Nahh Sorry buddy. There are 2 pitchers that are better then him, REGULAR SEASON that is, Johan and Doc Hallday. Thats it. This is one of the funniest posts i have ever seen. You really have not been following baseball since 2003. Cause if you have, you would know how good Josh Beckett is. Tim Lincecum, 2 years is better then a guy that has won 2 World Series and 1 MVP award in the biggest stage??? Felix Hernandez who has never pitched a big game in his life????? Chad Billingsly??? are you on drugs???? Peavy?? When was the last time he pitched a meaningful game???? Greinke??? look at his last 3 starts. Look at Beckett his last 6 Starts. He's back. If he was healthy last year the Sox go to the series and prolly win it. Please do not make posts like this that show your ignorance. hahaha Felix, Lincecum, Billingsly hahahahaahah this is hilarious. That's like saying Tom Glavine was better then Bob Gibson. Hilarious stuff.

Why do you say there are only 2 pitchers better than beckett in the REGULAR SEASON, then go out talking about winning 2 world series and 1 mvp in the playoffs? Beckett has not been better than many of the pitchers on that list during the regular season in his 3+ years in boston. You can't blame pitchers for not making it to the playoffs.

What if Joe Montana didn't have Jerry Rice. I dont wanna hear about other pitchers not making it to the playoffs. History is History. Beckett is a money pitcher. TO say that CHAD Billingsly or Tim Lincecum or Felix Hernandrz is better is absolute joke. Beckett also very good regular seasons. Combined with Post season, or BIG TIME PRESSURE games, There are only 2 guys better then him, Johan and Roy, just because i dont think post season would effect them. To say those other guys are better then beckett is a joke. Until they have DOMINATING performances when it matters, Beckett and them are not in the same category.[/quote:1et504s8]

I'm having trouble finding the postseason stats for Roy, can you help me out? Also, Santana's 1-3 with a 3.97 ERA isn't that great. But since you don't think that the post season would effect them, I'm convinced.

 

[dooly]

I'll give you that young guys like lincecum and billingsley still have to prove it for another season or two. Yet, you fail to bring up guys like haren, sabathia, and peavy who have been better than beckett during the regular season for the last few years. If beckett is truly the best (or top 3) pitcher in baseball...why is he not performing as well as these other pitchers in low pressure situations? Shouldn't the best pitcher who is so good in pressure situations be even better when there is less pressure?

 

[KOBEARODLT]

[quote="Jack Straw":1dkz7xzb]

I made the mistake of watching 1st and 10 on my lunch break and one of the reporters on there said Josh Beckett was the best pitcher in baseball. He isn't even the best pitcher in his own division let alone all of baseball. Am I the only one who thought that was so far off base?

Here is a list of guys who are better then Beckett in my opinion:

Johan Santana
Tim Lincecum
Roy Halladay
Dan Haren
Chad Billingsley
Jake Peavy
Zach Grienke - at least this season
Felix Hernandez
C.C. Sabathia

That is without even thinking about it. I don't even watch ESPN anymore because they don't live in reality.

/rant

I think what they where saying is none of the pitchers on your list have ever won a big game or at least that I can remember?

yeah but how many of these pitchers actually have a team around them to take them to the playoffs and have a CHANCE to win big games...not every one has the boston offense around them

I am guessing 6 maybe 7 ?[/quote:1dkz7xzb]

out of the players listed above tell me which ones have had a chance to shine in playoffs like beckett please...

 

[Big Mac McGwire]

from what beckett has shown, when the games has mattered the most (post season) he shows to be one of the best, if not the best. Based on his ability to have DOMINATING Performances in the most pressure filled type games, puts him in the category of best pitchers in baseball. The argument is not based on other pitchers who have not made the playoffs (Lincecum,King Felix) etc, the fact is Beckett has shown us how great he can be in big games. because of that he considered one of the best pitchers in baseball. Based on what he is shown , he gets grouped above all of the names mentioned in this post, except Johan and Halladay because regardless i think those 2 would dominate in big games. The other guys have not been as dominant for as long as Johan and Halladay. You can not say guys such as Lincecum or Billingsly who have been in the league for 2 years are better then Josh beckett.

So by big game pitcher you mean this amazing line he put up in game 2 of the ALCS last year. 4.1 IP 9 H 8 ER 1 BB 5 SO 3 HR

If that is the best big game pitcher in baseball I'd hate to see who number 2 is. Sure the guy is a good pitcher but to say he is the best is ludicrous. Sure he was good in '03 and '07 in the playoffs but he was pretty bad last year.

he was not healthy. That is well known. if he was , Sox Repeat.

 

[dooly]

[quote="Big Mac McGwire":jef3qkmt]from what beckett has shown, when the games has mattered the most (post season) he shows to be one of the best, if not the best. Based on his ability to have DOMINATING Performances in the most pressure filled type games, puts him in the category of best pitchers in baseball. The argument is not based on other pitchers who have not made the playoffs (Lincecum,King Felix) etc, the fact is Beckett has shown us how great he can be in big games. because of that he considered one of the best pitchers in baseball. Based on what he is shown , he gets grouped above all of the names mentioned in this post, except Johan and Halladay because regardless i think those 2 would dominate in big games. The other guys have not been as dominant for as long as Johan and Halladay. You can not say guys such as Lincecum or Billingsly who have been in the league for 2 years are better then Josh beckett.

So by big game pitcher you mean this amazing line he put up in game 2 of the ALCS last year. 4.1 IP 9 H 8 ER 1 BB 5 SO 3 HR

If that is the best big game pitcher in baseball I'd hate to see who number 2 is. Sure the guy is a good pitcher but to say he is the best is ludicrous. Sure he was good in '03 and '07 in the playoffs but he was pretty bad last year.

he was not healthy. That is well known. if he was , Sox Repeat.[/quote:jef3qkmt]

How can you call others ignorant when you just make a bunch of assumptions? I thought you said history is history (whatever that means)...so beckett blew it last year in the ALCS. THAT is history

 

[Big Mac McGwire]

I am not gonna elect Beckett for president. But you cant tell me that a guy who has proven himself in big games, is not better then guys who have not been in the league for more then 2 years. Regular season stat's KEEP THEM. Take Peyton Manning, ill take Tom Brady. Peyton was HORRIBLE in the playoffs the year he won. Ill take the guy who comes up big in the big games. Josh Beckett is a money pitcher. He was not 100% last season. Maybe it's just me but i will take him over EVERYBODY in the league besides Halladay and Johan.

 

[Big Mac McGwire]

ill end my arguments here. You take all those other guys over him. And this year when he has a post season when his era is 1.00 or less ill bring this thread up again. Or when he dominates an entire series ill bring this post up again. Take Lincecum, Felix, Peavy all those guys, Keep them. Ill take beckett. Im not saying he is the best. But im saying there is prolly 2 that i would take over him . And your gonna these guys do not have a chance to pitch in the post season all that garbage, ill say , The Argument is why Josh Beckett is one of the best pitchers in baseball, Because when it matters the most , he is the best.

 

[goldenegg1]

Roy Halladay is hands down the best in baseball.
I jope the Jays can make it into the postseason. I would love to see what he can do!

 

[All The Hype]

Thinking that Beckett is the best pitcher in baseball over ANY time period this season is a complete fantasy.

Roy Halladay has been better than anyone all season.

Zack Greinke was better than anyone for the first part of the season so far.

Justin Verlander has been better than anyone since May.



No matter how you slice it, Beckett isn't even on the list. He may be hot, but all three of the guys mentioned above have been better than him all season long and at least two of them (if not all three) have been better than Beckett during his hot streak.


On another note, Josh Beckett is also not the fourth best pitcher in baseball. I would rank him in the late teens or early to mid 20s.

 

[lordsepic]

ill end my arguments here. You take all those other guys over him. And this year when he has a post season when his era is 1.00 or less ill bring this thread up again. Or when he dominates an entire series ill bring this post up again. Take Lincecum, Felix, Peavy all those guys, Keep them. Ill take beckett. Im not saying he is the best. But im saying there is prolly 2 that i would take over him . And your gonna these guys do not have a chance to pitch in the post season all that garbage, ill say , The Argument is why Josh Beckett is one of the best pitchers in baseball, Because when it matters the most , he is the best.

He is a fantastic post season pitcher... no doubt... but that doesn't make him the best pitcher in the league. In the past 3 seasons his ERA has been over 4.00 2 times and one of those times over 5... that alone takes him out of this discussion for me. He has only been top 7 in cy young voting 1 time in his career and he placed 2nd. How can the best pitcher in the league not even have any hardware. Santana has been in the top 7 every year for the past 7... Including 2 CY youngs and a gold glove. Again, he plays great in Sept/Oct but that doesn't make him the best. You can't always help the teams you are on. Halladay has had horrible luck with the team he plays for...and Santana's Minn teams were never outstanding