Josh Hamilton has alcohol relapse

[ChasHawk]

is it that hard to believe that the brain can be afflicted with a disease? do we not recognize either external or internal the validity of diseases affecting every other surface and/or organ of the body? why then could the brain not have a disease called alcoholism?

Are we to believe that said disease makes you drive to the liquor store?

 

[G $MONEY$]

No sympathy for any of them.

well i pray that no one you care about ever gets an addiction.

 

[ChasHawk]

No sympathy for any of them.

well i pray that no one you care about ever gets an addiction.

my grandfather died in 1996 due to lung cancer from smoking for 40+ years.

I am fully willing to call it an addiction, but not a disease.

 

[David T.]

He was here in Katy tonight speaking about his religious convictions and his relapse.

And the sad thing is people will still either pay their hard earned money or spend their precious time if it's free, listening to him speak.

I'm all for a great come back feel good story, but this guy has no business speaking to a public audience this soon after a relapse.

How can you really 'learn something' so soon?

But if just one person "spends their precious time" listening to Hamilton and learning from him and his mistakes, perhaps it will prevent said person from doing the exact same thing.
And isn't that a good thing?
David

 

[ChasHawk]

[quote="Sam Banks":13b9lx0o]

He was here in Katy tonight speaking about his religious convictions and his relapse.

And the sad thing is people will still either pay their hard earned money or spend their precious time if it's free, listening to him speak.

I'm all for a great come back feel good story, but this guy has no business speaking to a public audience this soon after a relapse.

How can you really 'learn something' so soon?

But if just one person "spends their precious time" listening to Hamilton and learning from him and his mistakes, perhaps it will prevent said person from doing the exact same thing.
And isn't that a good thing?
David[/quote:13b9lx0o]
What if, after his next relapse, that same person sees the news and says...well F it, Hamilton can't quit, why should I?

 

[nosterbor]

is it that hard to believe that the brain can be afflicted with a disease? do we not recognize either external or internal the validity of diseases affecting every other surface and/or organ of the body? why then could the brain not have a disease called alcoholism?

Are we to believe that said disease makes you drive to the liquor store?

Truth of the matter is , none of this crap you CHOOSE, drinking,smoking ,eating. It is a choice NOT a disease.
So when you choose to drink in excess or smoke or cram food in your pie hole until you are 5000 LBS it is your choice. I do not feel sorry for Josh Hamilton at all, especially using religion as a smoke screen because he has no faith in himself as a person. I see it all the time.
People boozing and ******* around on their spouse's, going to confession to be forgiven of their sins,and the next day they do it all over again.
" Go back Jack do it again "
What an effen CROCK!

 

[nosterbor]

is it that hard to believe that the brain can be afflicted with a disease? do we not recognize either external or internal the validity of diseases affecting every other surface and/or organ of the body? why then could the brain not have a disease called alcoholism?

Are we to believe that said disease makes you drive to the liquor store?

Truth of the matter is , none of this crap you CHOOSE, drinking,smoking ,eating. It is a choice NOT a disease.
So when you choose to drink in excess or smoke or cram food in your pie hole until you are 5000 LBS it is your choice. I do not feel sorry for Josh Hamilton at all, especially using religion as a smoke screen because he has no faith in himself as a person. I see it all the time.
People boozing and ******* around on their spouse's, going to confession to be forgiven of their sins,and the next day they do it all over again.
" Go back Jack do it again "
What an effen CROCK!

 

[nosterbor]

is it that hard to believe that the brain can be afflicted with a disease? do we not recognize either external or internal the validity of diseases affecting every other surface and/or organ of the body? why then could the brain not have a disease called alcoholism?

Are we to believe that said disease makes you drive to the liquor store?

Truth of the matter is , none of this crap you CHOOSE, drinking,smoking ,eating. It is a choice NOT a disease.
So when you choose to drink in excess or smoke or cram food in your pie hole until you are 5000 LBS it is your choice. I do not feel sorry for Josh Hamilton at all, especially using religion as a smoke screen because he has no faith in himself as a person. I see it all the time.
People boozing and ******* around on their spouse's, going to confession to be forgiven of their sins,and the next day they do it all over again.
" Go back Jack do it again "
What a effen CROCK!

 

[nosterbor]

Talk about a glitch,holy shat!

 

[David T.]

[quote="Sam Banks":26k8g2u5]

He was here in Katy tonight speaking about his religious convictions and his relapse.

And the sad thing is people will still either pay their hard earned money or spend their precious time if it's free, listening to him speak.

I'm all for a great come back feel good story, but this guy has no business speaking to a public audience this soon after a relapse.

How can you really 'learn something' so soon?

But if just one person "spends their precious time" listening to Hamilton and learning from him and his mistakes, perhaps it will prevent said person from doing the exact same thing.
And isn't that a good thing?
David

What if, after his next relapse, that same person sees the news and says...well F it, Hamilton can't quit, why should I?[/quote:26k8g2u5]

Come on dude, anymore what ifs, and this could turn into a 10 page thread.
Er....wait a minute. :lol:
In all seriousness, I tend to believe my scenario is a tad more likely to happen than yours.
David

 

[bballjunky24]

I made it to page three and I just had a hard time reading any further...

I'm probably going to get flamed on this one, however, the thing with alcoholism and addiction is that it is a condition that if you work to overcome it, you can... The nice thing is that if the average person struggles with it, they can keep their anonymity and work on themselves to recover. Hamilton, being in the spotlight and having had a well documented addiction issue is unfortunately not given this luxury. It is called recovery and one can never be truly "cured". However, if you do work at it, the obsession can be removed (10th step promises)...

It is also something that people who have never battled addiction can not be expected to understand. I could care less if it is called a disease, condition, or irresponsibility... I respect the opinions of folks who simply think I am irresponsible because they are right, if I take the first drink I am being nothing but irresponsible because I know what is soon to come. I believe that one is too much and a thousand is never enough.

Luckily, I am hiding behind this computer screen much like others who have things to say and luckily my battles are not really headline news. The people on this site that personally know me already know, so...
1 year, 7 months, 11 days...

Now if I could only stop chewing tobacco... LOL

 

[Super Mario]

[quote="David T.":17if2wb3][quote="Sam Banks":17if2wb3]

He was here in Katy tonight speaking about his religious convictions and his relapse.

And the sad thing is people will still either pay their hard earned money or spend their precious time if it's free, listening to him speak.

I'm all for a great come back feel good story, but this guy has no business speaking to a public audience this soon after a relapse.

How can you really 'learn something' so soon?

But if just one person "spends their precious time" listening to Hamilton and learning from him and his mistakes, perhaps it will prevent said person from doing the exact same thing.
And isn't that a good thing?
David

What if, after his next relapse, that same person sees the news and says...well F it, Hamilton can't quit, why should I?[/quote:17if2wb3]

Come on dude, anymore what ifs, and this could turn into a 10 page thread.
Er....wait a minute. :lol:
In all seriousness, I tend to believe my scenario is a tad more likely to happen than yours.
David[/quote:17if2wb3]


I don't know David. I think that humanity as a whole are more easily influenced by the negative than the positive. Both scenarios influencing people wouldn't surprise me at all.

We preach all the time around here about setting a great example for the kids. Well, someone who goes around asking for praise as some sort of role model because he was an addict, and KEEPS relapsing? That's a horrible example, and yes, it could EASILY influence kids to do the same thing he does.

 

[thefatguy]

Addicts are forever recovering. Let's not assume that any addict, regardless of how long they are clean, don't crave their activity of choice every day.

You quit cigarettes cold turkey. You are a rarity.

Rates of Relapse

Approximately 90% of alcoholics experience at least one relapse in the four years following treatment. Similar relapse rates occur for recovering smokers and heroin addicts, suggesting that many addictive behaviors may share the same behavioral, biochemical, and cognitive components.

 

[allstars]

Anyone that overcomes addiction for an extended period of time and falls back into the trap is weak mentally. Josh will be remembered as a sad "what could have been" story. It's his own fault, he's got enough talent to make it to Cooperstown but instead he drugged and drank his career away. He's a loser.

 

[Lancemountain]

Anyone that overcomes addiction for an extended period of time and falls back into the trap is weak mentally. Josh will be remembered as a sad "what could have been" story. It's his own fault, he's got enough talent to make it to Cooperstown but instead he drugged and drank his career away. He's a loser.

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Also love sambanks giving some john hughes style high school speech on how this is my stance and it will not be debated (insert slow clap) and then continues to debate and offer his world traveled, college educated, well thought out view on things.

 

[Super Mario]

Anyone that overcomes addiction for an extended period of time and falls back into the trap is weak mentally. Josh will be remembered as a sad "what could have been" story. It's his own fault, he's got enough talent to make it to Cooperstown but instead he drugged and drank his career away. He's a loser.

Quoted


Also love sambanks giving some john hughes style high school speech on how this is my stance and it will not be debated (insert slow clap) and then continues to debate and offer his world traveled, college educated, well thought out view on things.

John Hughes was a great film maker.


And it's 'Sam Banks'.

 

[craiger122003]

Who cares. END STORY

 

[Pine Tar]

Addicts are forever recovering. Let's not assume that any addict, regardless of how long they are clean, don't crave their activity of choice every day.

You quit cigarettes cold turkey. You are a rarity.

Rates of Relapse

Approximately 90% of alcoholics experience at least one relapse in the four years following treatment. Similar relapse rates occur for recovering smokers and heroin addicts, suggesting that many addictive behaviors may share the same behavioral, biochemical, and cognitive components.

Actually I did quit smoking cold turkey, and then I smoke only 3 later in my life.......so it made me wonder why I smoked in the first place.

 

[ThoseBackPages]

 

[Pine Tar]

Who cares. END STORY

Oh be quiet you cardinals fan :lol: But I actually have to agree with you on this one. ::facepalm::