Mariners, Blue Jays, and Phillies agree on blockbuster trade

[braden]

The Jays got a nice return on this trade but I don't understand how Philly are getting so much back in return. Now before everyone goes ...ya but we are giving up Drabek, Brown .Top Prospects .yada yada, it is already been established that to get Halladay you are going to have to make some sort of sacrifice via Prospects. I always believed you trade for any player that will make you win NOW opposed to probables (ie Prospects) that might help you later on. That being said, the Phillies are giving up three prospects for the best pitcher in baseball who has the track record to prove so plus in the NL Halladay numbers are going to be sick. In that Phillies lineup that means 17-20 wins barring injury compare to three prospects that won't contribute for a year or two. Plus you are getting a pitcher that is familiar with all the AL which is a bonus at World Series time. So they get to:
1) Upgrade to Halladay by trading Lee because they have made it known they can't keep both.
2) they are getting Aumont who is a top prospect so that eliminates one of the three they are sending plus might be getting another.
3) They are getting 6 Million towards Halladay Salary.

So basically they are upgrading their pitching, getting a discount on Halladay Salary and giving up top prospect that might never see the light of day in the Phillies organization. On the Jays side I think we did ok, on the Mariners side I have no idea why they are sending prospects to Philly. Maybe someone else can explain this to me because I can't see it.

Funny, I kinda see it differently. I don't think the Phillies did well at all in the Lee swap (assuming it's Aumont, Gillies, and a filler). Gillies looks like a fringe regular or a 4th outfielder, Aumont may or may not be able to stick as a starter.

What I don't understand is why the Phillies didn't just non-tender Blanton (if it's true they couldn't move him), and stick with a ridiculously good rotation for 2010 (Halladay/Lee/Hamels/Happ/whoever). Blanton makes $5.5M, Lee $9M. If they're really pinching pennies, they could've thrown in a fourth prospect to Toronto for $3.5MM. Then they lose Lee at the end of the year but get the picks. That makes the most sense to me.

 

[elemin8]

Funny, I kinda see it differently. I don't think the Phillies did well at all in the Lee swap (assuming it's Aumont, Gillies, and a filler). Gillies looks like a fringe regular or a 4th outfielder, Aumont may or may not be able to stick as a starter.

What I don't understand is why the Phillies didn't just non-tender Blanton (if it's true they couldn't move him), and stick with a ridiculously good rotation for 2010 (Halladay/Lee/Hamels/Happ/whoever). Blanton makes $5.5M, Lee $9M. If they're really pinching pennies, they could've thrown in a fourth prospect to Toronto for $3.5MM. Then they lose Lee at the end of the year but get the picks. That makes the most sense to me.

I agree, I definitely do not understand why they want to move Lee. I would do what you are saying and keep Lee as doing that ensures that you have the one of the best pitching staffs in MLB. I was just wondering why Toronto had to move the 6 Mil for the 3 prospects that I feel are justified for Halladay. Taylor, Drabek and D'Arnaud straight up for Halladay is a fair trade and maybe leans a little towards Toronto, adding the 6 Mil in salary puts the trade back on the favor of Philly. I don't see much of a future for D'Arnaud (Disclaimer: Im not a scout) in the Jays organization unless we are done with Arencibia, plus we just sign John Buck who is more then likely will make the team. Taylor looks like he could be a great everyday player and Drabek is a question mark who had one TJ surgery already hence why I didn't understand the paying of the 6 mil.

After looking at the trade further, is this considered a blockbuster trade between three teams or two separate trades. Toronto to Philly and then Philly to Seattle. If it is two separate trades then what is the point of moving Lee? Also if Drabek or Taylor are so valuable why not keep one and move Aumont and another Seattle Prospect to Toronto therefore you are only moving two of your top prospects. I am only assuming this because all early indications were that Toronto was targeting Aumont.

Either way I like it for the Jays and wish Halladay the best and my only regret was not catching a game of his this season at the SkyDome (The only name I recognize)

 

[phillyfan0417]

From MLBTR:


Quote:
The Blue Jays will trade outfielder Michael Taylor to the A's for third base prospect Brett Wallace, according to ESPN.com's Buster Olney and Jerry Crasnick (via e-mail).

 

[ballerskrip]

From MLBTR:


Quote:
The Blue Jays will trade outfielder Michael Taylor to the A's for third base prospect Brett Wallace, according to ESPN.com's Buster Olney and Jerry Crasnick (via e-mail).

Wow, I really like that deal for BOTH teams! That just makes too much sense.

 

[matty07]

Michael Taylor will be traded to the A's for Brett Wallace??

Someone on the bluejays message board is reporting this with a link provided. I think its Olney or Law breaking the story out. If this is true I absolutely love this deal I'm a huge wallace fan. Anyone else hear anything about this???

 

[ballerskrip]

Re: Michael Taylor will be traded to the A's for Brett Wallace??

i think that this is a PERFECT move for both teams. The A's need an exciting talent like Taylor and the Blue Jays can certainly use an MLB ready 3rd basemen.

skrip

 

[matty07]

Re: Michael Taylor will be traded to the A's for Brett Wallace??

i think that this is a PERFECT move for both teams. The A's need an exciting talent like Taylor and the Blue Jays can certainly use an MLB ready 3rd basemen.

skrip

You have no idea how pumped I am as a Jays fan for this deal. I think Wallace is an absolute stud and the jays need a 3rd baseman for the future

 

[Jaypers]

Re: Michael Taylor will be traded to the A's for Brett Wallace??

i think that this is a PERFECT move for both teams. The A's need an exciting talent like Taylor and the Blue Jays can certainly use an MLB ready 3rd basemen.

skrip

I highly doubt Wallace will be manning the hot corner for long. He's either a 1B or DH, no matter where he plays.

 

[phillyfan0417]

Folks, lets leave this in one thread until we have some official word.

 

[trademhigh]

I don't get this deal at all for the phillies. I like this deal for both the blue jays and especially m's.

 

[shephech]

Love you Doc you will be missed in Toronto..... you have been a class act and never ******* about the team, etc.

You will get yourself a WS ring I am sure.

Now on to the Jays portion of the deal, I think Alex A did great here.... and really made the system better and this could be a better move in the longrun. Fact is the deal had to be done as Doc was ready to test FA next year..... and they probably couldn't give him the money or years the Yanks/Red Sox can.

I am happy we got so much in return, and got the "Untouchable" Kyle Drabek to boot..... Now I like hearing this Wallace For Taylor swap too! as we already have a nice OF hitting prospect in TSnid and we are in need of a solid 3B prospect and from what I hear is just about MLB ready.

Good Job all around! And I am loving that he went to the NL.... probably won't have to face him all year.

Anyways later guys, I gotta get to work.

Shep :ugeek:

 

[pigskincardboard]

Chris Berman's take on this during the SF/ARI halftime last night was hilarious. He was clearly just finding out for the first time..

"...and the Blue Jays agree to trade Roy Halladay to the Phillies for Prospects...pause...Who? Mike Schmidt?
The Phillies are then trading Cliff Lee to Seattle for Prospects...Who? Junior Griffey?!"

A lot of people think the less knowledgeable baseball fans are crazy when they equate getting prospects to getting a bucket of balls, but at least half of the time, they're right. These two teams are getting proven players that know how to play infront of 50K people, or in Doc's case 7K.

You really never know how someone will deal with the big show both mentally and physically until they're there.

With that said, I hope this turns out like Cleveland's rape and pillage of the Expos system for Bartolo Colon.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Until there's official word, this is all just speculation...

 

[gt2590]

I'll wait to pass final judgement until everything's finalized. Stark broke the "Lee being part of the Halladay trade" Friday PM on local radio here, and I've got to say I was so disappointed.

One thing people seem to forget in grading this trade is all the prospects the Phils gave up to get Lee. Although those guys haven't worked out yet, you have to include that as part of this trade, I think. And when did Drabek become available? I'd had done Happ, Taylor (maybe Brown) and someone for Halladay and won the NL pennant going away. Then maybe you don't get anything for Lee, but I can live with that.

 

[goldenegg1]

I've held onto this since it was pulled in the hopes of him being traded.
I think now is the time to sell! (I used this picture from Ebay.)

 

[ballerskrip]

I've held onto this since it was pulled in the hopes of him being traded.
I think now is the time to sell! (I used this picture from Ebay.)

They are selling for about $100 now....

Nice card

skrip

 

[HPC]

And when did Drabek become available? I'd had done Happ..

I dont see why everyone would've traded Happ over Drabek

I'll take Happ, who performed extremely well in the bigs, over Drabek who has done well in the minors

 

[BowmanChromeAddict]

And when did Drabek become available? I'd had done Happ..

I dont see why everyone would've traded Happ over Drabek

I'll take Happ, who performed extremely well in the bigs, over Drabek who has done well in the minors

I've got all sorts of Man-Love for Happ, but I couldn't disagree more about what you just said. Happ performed beyond his tools this year and likely won't repeat the same success, Drabek on the other hand has an incredible ceiling and all the tools to support the potential of being a #1 or #2 at worst.

 

[Weimer]

So as of now according to ESPN.com it's this:

PHILLIES GET …
RHP Roy Halladay (from Toronto)
*RHP Phillippe Aumont (from Seattle)
*OF Tyson Gillies (from Seattle)
*RHP Juan Ramirez (from Seattle)
$6 million cash (from Toronto)

MARINERS GET …
LHP Cliff Lee (from Philadelphia)

BLUE JAYS GET …
*C Travis d'Arnaud (from Philadelphia)
*RHP Kyle Drabek (from Philadelphia)
*1B/3B Brett Wallace (from Oakland)

A'S GET …
*OF Michael Taylor (from Philadelphia via Toronto)

Is that what everyone else has been hearing from other sources?

 

[Zymco]

Love the finalized deal for the Mariners. As for the Phil's I think they are correct here by holding onto Brown.