More mama_bear** discussion...

[ChasHawk]

He's gotten another positive fb

Just as advertised. Delivered in timeframe promised.
Buyer: Member id rickster2000 ( Feedback Score Of 1415) Jan-31-11 06:08
2010 Bowman Sterling Baseball Hobby 8 Box Master Case (#150545165221) US $1,108.33

 

[cmnkb8]

[quote="cmnkb8":208kdl7z][quote="bmc398":208kdl7z]I would never never never never ever take a partial refund.

Id send that shat back to him so fast his head would spin with a note that I am expecting the FULL amount in return.

My theory on the partial refund....his funds are running low and he doesnt want to wipe them out giving refunds.

The house of cards is one blow away. All the people who bought from him, have fun with the hassles of getting a partial refund!

One call to the CC company takes care of that BS.

Not if the person paid with paypal balance.

Guess those people haven't heard of "let the buyer beware".

The issue with the partial refund is this....A. I don't know how it works necessarily but its obvious the guy is doing it to buy time and maybe get a few more presale $$$ in from other products to give the full refund. He could be issuing the half refund on the hopes that when somebody files the claim and paypal looks into it they see that some form of refund was given and rule in his favor without questioning the amount. Of course, at some point that issue would be rectified but its just more time where he's got some of your money and you're stuck with the headache of trying to get ALL of it back.

And B. Good luck going to your credit card company requesting the full amount back when you have half of it sitting in your paypal account. Who looks like the fraud then? Visa would go after PP who would go after the seller which would be far from an automatic process. They then find out you got half the money back and then question why you're putting in a claim for the full amount.

I don't know about you, but I've had a seller try and dick me over in the past by giving a partial (85%) refund on a damaged item I returned even though he agreed to a full refund. He tried to take 15% as a "restocking fee" (despite never mentioning that prior to my return of the item). I called my CC company and explained that I never accepted a partial refund as a resolution since I didn't get what I paid for. I told them the amount that was refunded, and the amount I paid. The CC company reviewed their records, and within 5 days my card was credited for the remaining amount. I never had to talk to paypal. Just spent 15 min on the phone with my card issuer. CC's tend to side with their cardholders most of the time, granted you are not one that frequently opens disputes. I'd imagine disputes over partial refunds aren't as uncommon as you think.[/quote:208kdl7z]

Yeah I've never had a refund so I was jsut posing a what if. Just seems too messy to me...and id rather not be in this situation in the first place than have to worry about jumping through hoops to get my money back. I don't have any issue with the people who bought early from this guy but the fact that people continued to buy from him after it was well known he was shorting and then buying above even retail should have been a huge red flag to not give this guy another dime, especially on Sterling. I mean, who's money is he buying it with....most likely its the guy who bought after you and won't be getting his case. Greed at the expense of others is not a quality id like to have. You may not immediately realize thats what you're doing but taking the attitude of "I don't care how he pays for it....but as long as I get it i'm in the $$$" isn't the right one to have as you are just helping this guy string others along.

I like my money and really dislike being apart from it....or having to make phone calls to get it back....and really dislike giving interest free loans to strangers.[/quote:208kdl7z]

I'm still helping to stimulate the economy, ponzi scheme be damned! :benson:

The fact that my CC issuer will protect me enables me to take this kind of risk. Would I be doing this with all the allegations surrounding mamabear if it weren't for this protection? Of course not. Everybody wants to get the best deal, even when there are risks involved. If those risks can be mitigated, might as well take a chance. I don't mind chatting with the CSR's (sometimes a not-so-friendly "i hate my job" type) with the CC company once in a blue moon.

 

[bmc398]

[quote="cgilmo":3u76281u][quote="cmnkb8":3u76281u][quote="bmc398":3u76281u]I would never never never never ever take a partial refund.

Id send that shat back to him so fast his head would spin with a note that I am expecting the FULL amount in return.

My theory on the partial refund....his funds are running low and he doesnt want to wipe them out giving refunds.

The house of cards is one blow away. All the people who bought from him, have fun with the hassles of getting a partial refund!

One call to the CC company takes care of that BS.

Not if the person paid with paypal balance.

Guess those people haven't heard of "let the buyer beware".

The issue with the partial refund is this....A. I don't know how it works necessarily but its obvious the guy is doing it to buy time and maybe get a few more presale $$$ in from other products to give the full refund. He could be issuing the half refund on the hopes that when somebody files the claim and paypal looks into it they see that some form of refund was given and rule in his favor without questioning the amount. Of course, at some point that issue would be rectified but its just more time where he's got some of your money and you're stuck with the headache of trying to get ALL of it back.

And B. Good luck going to your credit card company requesting the full amount back when you have half of it sitting in your paypal account. Who looks like the fraud then? Visa would go after PP who would go after the seller which would be far from an automatic process. They then find out you got half the money back and then question why you're putting in a claim for the full amount.

I don't know about you, but I've had a seller try and dick me over in the past by giving a partial (85%) refund on a damaged item I returned even though he agreed to a full refund. He tried to take 15% as a "restocking fee" (despite never mentioning that prior to my return of the item). I called my CC company and explained that I never accepted a partial refund as a resolution since I didn't get what I paid for. I told them the amount that was refunded, and the amount I paid. The CC company reviewed their records, and within 5 days my card was credited for the remaining amount. I never had to talk to paypal. Just spent 15 min on the phone with my card issuer. CC's tend to side with their cardholders most of the time, granted you are not one that frequently opens disputes. I'd imagine disputes over partial refunds aren't as uncommon as you think.[/quote:3u76281u]

Yeah I've never had a refund so I was jsut posing a what if. Just seems too messy to me...and id rather not be in this situation in the first place than have to worry about jumping through hoops to get my money back. I don't have any issue with the people who bought early from this guy but the fact that people continued to buy from him after it was well known he was shorting and then buying above even retail should have been a huge red flag to not give this guy another dime, especially on Sterling. I mean, who's money is he buying it with....most likely its the guy who bought after you and won't be getting his case. Greed at the expense of others is not a quality id like to have. You may not immediately realize thats what you're doing but taking the attitude of "I don't care how he pays for it....but as long as I get it i'm in the $$$" isn't the right one to have as you are just helping this guy string others along.

I like my money and really dislike being apart from it....or having to make phone calls to get it back....and really dislike giving interest free loans to strangers.[/quote:3u76281u]

I'm still helping to stimulate the economy, ponzi scheme be damned! :benson:

The fact that my CC issuer will protect me enables me to take this kind of risk. Would I be doing this with all the allegations surrounding mamabear if it weren't for this protection? Of course not. Everybody wants to get the best deal, even when there are risks involved. If those risks can be mitigated, might as well take a chance. I don't mind chatting with the CSR's (sometimes a not-so-friendly "i hate my job" type) with the CC company once in a blue moon.[/quote:3u76281u]

The other side of the coin for me personnally is that I am impatient as anything. The good releases were so few and far between this year that when Draft and Sterling hit I just had to rip. I only did one box of Sterling (reviewed it on the FCB blog page) and it wasn't that great from $$$ hits wise but its still pretty much my favorite break on the calendar. The reason I didnt order was because I didn't want to have my $$$ tied up but also because I didnt want to wait for weeks after release to get mine. Couple that with finding out the guy is paying full retail to ship them to buyers who paid less than half....I just couldn't do it.

I realize that eBay makes it super easy to get your money back and all....I just too risk averse to want to join in. And im not necessarily hating on the guys who did....but by purchasing after all the facts were known it was a pretty silly thing to do, as this guy is going to run out of $$$ before he can fulfill all these orders. I wonder what else he is buying with all this floating cash.

 

[cmnkb8]

He's gotten another positive fb

Just as advertised. Delivered in timeframe promised.
Buyer: Member id rickster2000 ( Feedback Score Of 1415) Jan-31-11 06:08
2010 Bowman Sterling Baseball Hobby 8 Box Master Case (#150545165221) US $1,108.33

I wonder how far down I am on his list. My listing ended a day before that one at a higher price, but I didn't pay him until the 13th. Guess I should push harder.

 

[bmc398]

He's gotten another positive fb

Just as advertised. Delivered in timeframe promised.
Buyer: Member id rickster2000 ( Feedback Score Of 1415) Jan-31-11 06:08
2010 Bowman Sterling Baseball Hobby 8 Box Master Case (#150545165221) US $1,108.33

I wonder how far down I am on his list. My listing ended a day before that one at a higher price, but I didn't pay him until the 13th. Guess I should push harder.

Well, with Great Dealz Rob getting his case...and knowing what kind of guy he was (I don't have a positive opinion of the guy) I think it defintely pays to be forceful with the guy.

 

[ebechols]

No items are currently being offered for sale by this person. Maybe the well has finally dried up. Very interesting thread though.

 

[Krom]

Someone contact Chris Hansen from Dateline NBC.

Wait, Mama bear is touching little ...

 

[cmnkb8]

No items are currently being offered for sale by this person. Maybe the well has finally dried up. Very interesting thread though.

Ruh-ro Raggy...

 

[crowTrobot]

update from the person on blowout who got 1/2 refunds

Sorry, I actually received my refunds on 1/30, a few hours before my first post!!! I posted after midnight and when I checked my phone it was already 1/31!! The reason I only received half of my refund is part my fault. When I purchased the cases I ordered 2- 4 box cases of Sterling for $700ea. and 2- 6 box cases of SP Game Used Hockey for $500ea. But was supposed to receive a master case of each. When I filed the claims I accidentally put that I didn't receive 1 item in each claim instead of 2. That's why I was only refunded $700 of the $1400 for Sterling and $500 of the $1000 on the SP. However the seller knew what I paid and what I was owed and still only refunded half!!!!

 

[baseballguy350]

Can we get back to mama_bear**? I have some pertinent info that would be of interest.

Bryan got a tracking number for a master 8 box case. He is hosting a group break (sold out) on another board. It's supposed to arrive today. Tracking number has a 7 pound box being shipped to him.

 

[SeattleSports]

Another positive just posted on a 4 box case, ordered on the 10th of Jan.

 

[baseballguy350]

boylen33 got his master 8 box, and just hosted the break.

I talked to Bryan during this, and I can say I am shocked (but thrilled for him). Looks like those people who push mama_bear** are going to get their cases.

 

[cmnkb8]

boylen33 got his master 8 box, and just hosted the break.

I talked to Bryan during this, and I can say I am shocked (but thrilled for him). Looks like those people who push mama_bear** are going to get their cases.

I've been pushing him, but he hasn't been too responsive thus far. I'll see if he can get me a tracking # by my deadline of tomorrow, which I informed him of last week.

 

[Chrisdg19006]

Is mama_bear** gone? I don't see him on EBay anymore

 

[ChasHawk]

Is mama_bear** gone? I don't see him on EBay anymore

umm....how hard did you look?

http://myworld.ebay.com/mama_bear**/

 

[Chrisdg19006]

Is mama_bear** gone? I don't see him on EBay anymore

umm....how hard did you look?

http://myworld.ebay.com/mama_bear**/

Not hard enough apparently, just searched on the IPhone app for the seller and it returned zero results. I didn't try the full site

 

[SeattleSports]

Just read on another forum that mama_bear is officially out of business and that is how they were responding to customers. They werent able to get the product because it didn't fail miserably. They are done selling on ebay, so I'd get in a line and file a claim...

 

[Wes]

Just read on another forum that mama_bear is officially out of business and that is how they were responding to customers. They werent able to get the product because it didn't fail miserably. They are done selling on ebay, so I'd get in a line and file a claim...

Link?

 

[Lars]

Could this be it on the Blowout forums?

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/baseball/120727-case-prices-how-5.html

Just read on another forum that mama_bear is officially out of business and that is how they were responding to customers. They werent able to get the product because it didn't fail miserably. They are done selling on ebay, so I'd get in a line and file a claim...

Link?

 

[SeattleSports]

Could this be it on the Blowout forums?

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/baseball/120727-case-prices-how-5.html

Just read on another forum that mama_bear is officially out of business and that is how they were responding to customers. They werent able to get the product because it didn't fail miserably. They are done selling on ebay, so I'd get in a line and file a claim...

Link?

Yeah, apparently hes telling customers who emailed that hes done and couldn't acquire enough inventory.