Mr. Mint

[wallyscards]

A lot of old school collectors hold him responsible for changing the hobby. I remember when people thought he was evil for charging a premium for a card in Mint conditon. When he made that huge 1952 Topps find he was trying to sell the Mantle's for around $2,500 each when they were going for I think less than $1,000. I think he had a hard time selling them and had to drop the price if I remember right. I know back then a lot of people thought it was crazy to try and get a better price on a card just because it was prefectly centered or had razor sharp corners. Then a few years later he got really mad when the grading companies came along and was putting full page ads out saying that they were destorying the hobby because you could never touch the cards again. That was funny to me because they were kind of doing what he did by placing a such a high premium on a Mint card. Funny.

 

[predatorkj]

Why is it that if someone buys a card here for $5 and sells it for $25, we call it "a flip" and applaud him?

But if Mr Mint buys a collection for $5000 and sells it for $25000, we call him a *********?

We dont ****** at the Pawn Stars when they Buy something for 5000 and sell for 25000

We might if this was a message board for pawn stores.

ANYONE that made a post on these boards about buying a collection from someone for $5000 and selling it for $25000 would get absolutely crucified.

Yeah...I mean Christ...I got blasted for buying cards at walmart and holding them to the price on the racks.

 

[predatorkj]

[youtube:32y7jnup]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6UWScKYKSo[/youtube:32y7jnup]

[youtube:32y7jnup]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kZG5QGGG0E[/youtube:32y7jnup]

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[youtube:32y7jnup]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOSIQ2Jpymo[/youtube:32y7jnup]

I just had a heart attack watching that. Not only are those cards beyond awesome but Rosen just laid enough money on his kitchen table to pay off my house. Now that is crazy!

 

[predatorkj]

To go ahead and at least get this out there...

I know what its like to try to sell off a large collection. Not of cards but of comics. Now...granted, if you have the right kind of stuff ,no matter where you take it, its guaranteed to eventually sell. That being said...the eventually part is the key word. Because I had some really nice comics. But I was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Do you try to sell everything through the exact channels necessary to obtain the highest return? Or do you sacrifice that to expedite the sales? We all know the best people to sell to are other collectors because obviously they are the ones who will pay the most money.

But as was mentioned before...try finding a random collector walking around with 80 large in his pocket. And, as was also said, try even finding a dealer. The point is...you can try to maximize your profit but it will take a while and in some cases...may take a really long time. And for some items, if its nothing super awesome, you may never even find a buyer.

I guess it just boils down to your own priorities. I mean...this dude in the videos was telling them he paid like $20 for some of those sets. Even if Rosen paid a lot less than actual resell value, the old dude made out pretty damn good. Does it make Rosen right or wrong? Not necessarily either. But unless you are selling to a collector...you ought to know damn good and well you will not be getting full value for anything you are selling. It doesn't matter what it is. Stamps, coins, cards, hot wheels, antiques of any kind...just about anything. Because a dealer is buying to resell and make profit. A collector is buying to own. They have different priorities and therefore they have different prices they will pay. And even a collector can be kinda hard to sell to sometimes because chances are...if you are trying to obtain top prices for your items...well what the hell is so special about your items that he should be motivated to buy them? If you aren't cutting him a better deal...why not just go somewhere else? Isn't that what you do? Shop around?

The only question would become: was anyone misled? And if they were...then I would hold the person being misled the most responsible because it should be common sense that anytime you are entering into any kind of agreement...you should know what you are getting into before you give your word. So I am not saying I am taking Rosen's side by any means. I simply see this for what it is. And it seems pretty typical.

 

[jflan702]

To go ahead and at least get this out there...

I know what its like to try to sell off a large collection. Not of cards but of comics. Now...granted, if you have the right kind of stuff ,no matter where you take it, its guaranteed to eventually sell. That being said...the eventually part is the key word. Because I had some really nice comics. But I was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Do you try to sell everything through the exact channels necessary to obtain the highest return? Or do you sacrifice that to expedite the sales? We all know the best people to sell to are other collectors because obviously they are the ones who will pay the most money.

But as was mentioned before...try finding a random collector walking around with 80 large in his pocket. And, as was also said, try even finding a dealer. The point is...you can try to maximize your profit but it will take a while and in some cases...may take a really long time. And for some items, if its nothing super awesome, you may never even find a buyer.

I guess it just boils down to your own priorities. I mean...this dude in the videos was telling them he paid like $20 for some of those sets. Even if Rosen paid a lot less than actual resell value, the old dude made out pretty damn good. Does it make Rosen right or wrong? Not necessarily either. But unless you are selling to a collector...you ought to know damn good and well you will not be getting full value for anything you are selling. It doesn't matter what it is. Stamps, coins, cards, hot wheels, antiques of any kind...just about anything. Because a dealer is buying to resell and make profit. A collector is buying to own. They have different priorities and therefore they have different prices they will pay. And even a collector can be kinda hard to sell to sometimes because chances are...if you are trying to obtain top prices for your items...well what the hell is so special about your items that he should be motivated to buy them? If you aren't cutting him a better deal...why not just go somewhere else? Isn't that what you do? Shop around?

The only question would become: was anyone misled? And if they were...then I would hold the person being misled the most responsible because it should be common sense that anytime you are entering into any kind of agreement...you should know what you are getting into before you give your word. So I am not saying I am taking Rosen's side by any means. I simply see this for what it is. And it seems pretty typical.

This was very well said. Post thanked. Especially for 3:AM!

I know Alan, and have seen him in action. Most of his deals at shows are done before the shows even start with other dealers at the shows. Now I am not defending his business practices or anything, but when people see a pile of cash in front of them, they pretty much lose all aspect of what they are doing. Just remember one thing, they can always say no thanks and walk away. But they seldom do, because basically people are greedy.
Now I did see a couple of people post that they had actually dealt with him, but most people are posting based on what they "heard" from others. I would be interested to know who has actually had a deal with him. And if they did and are upset because they feel they got ripped off, why didn't they just walk away? (I'll tell you why, because money talks).

Just my demented opinion.